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Shut the fuck up about how you won't be "bullied" to just vote for the Democrat no matter who: Trump threatens to cut funding to Cali over Abortion
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So you're not a real progressive. I'm calling you out right now, if you're ok with having Trump in office you're privileged as fuck. You're a fraud who only cares about himself and wonder why black people are so "pragmatic".
You have zero evidence to back up your irrational fear that moderate democratic presidents are going to come for your benefits.
Ally is a buzzword, but you're right, they probably aren't. Or maybe they are but they have some other reason such as apathy. I don't see the point in assuming intentions of non-voters. If you want these people to vote, find a candidate that gets the majority of potential non-voters interested in voting and make sure they get the nomination.
Voting for a center-right/moderate democrat didn't work in 2016 either but it's still trying to be shoved down our throats.
Shit, they blamed the Gary Johnson protest votes on Hillary losing, as if people who voted for Gary Johnson would ever vote for Hillary in the first place.
People need to chill the fuck out and understand this. They can poll as many people as they want about the general now, we still have 10+ candidates in the race and when push comes to shove in November they may have a different outlook.
Obama would have cut benefits but the Tea Party snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Biden is going to cave hard on something to pass bipartisanship legislation (Likely when the federal government needs funding again.).
Joe Biden Says He Can Work With the Senate. The Last Time He Tried, Mitch McConnell Picked His Pockets Badly.
In 2012, the GOP was in trouble. Mitch McConnell turned to his friend Joe Biden for a lifeline.
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This is just flawed thinking. No one loses their benefits if money to social security is slashed. If you are on the roles, you are on the roles as long as you continue to remain disabled.
A social security And medicare cut would take effect for new people, not people already on the roles.
Besides, I am sure Biden realizes cuts to SS and Medicare are political suicide.
Sean is as useful to the cause of progressives as a diehard MAGA is and should be treated as such if he does not vote.
As a non-vote from a left voter is acts exactly the same as a vote for Trump.
I'll vote for Sanders or Warren. I will not vote for Biden. I am tired of the Democrats not representing me. I have spent my whole fucking life watching this shitshow slide to the right and give us Trump. I am not going to keep playing into the center's bullshit.
Don't like losing my vote? Tough shit. You're losing it after 20 years if you ask me to do this yet again.
Ally may be a buzzword to a white straight male, but for me allies keep my faith alive in America these days.
Social security specifically, no, but it's funny to go on about gay rights and social safety net programs when Clinton's administration gave us DADT and PRWORA
If Trump wins, that is on you. And you will have to live with that.
The base of the democratic party is not here to pick the candidate you want. If Biden wins its because of his vast support of the African American community. And that is a strong tenant of the Democratic base and you can't just dismiss them.
People in here really care more about what Biden might do, with a possibly majority by the democrats in the congress who would stop him vs. what Trump and a republican congress will most assuredly gleefully do?
Sean is pushing you to vote for a better candidate in the primaries, which is massively important, in order to earn their vote in the generals, which is massively important
what they actually go through with, who knows, but it behooves us to listen!
i mean shit, i don't want to be responsible for sean not voting
I'm sorry, the way I've seen it thrown around carelessly made the word it self meaningless to me. But I understand what you're getting at. Also I'm not straight and I'd appreciate if you didn't make assumptions like that.
I agree. We can acknowledge areas in which a candidate needs to improve while still realizing that said candidate is a far better option than the alternatives.
Fair enough, I apologize for assuming, but it was assumption based on you claiming ally as a buzzword. That's all.
Ill vote for sanders in primarys but ill vote anybody in general. With that being said not everyone is me. So picking someone most people can eventually get behind through their message is paramount
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Yep. If they stay home like Sean is claiming than yes, they are no progressive. They are no leftist. They were never on our side because when things get tough they take their ball and go home instead of fighting to stop the tide of right-wing control.
They are no different than a die hard Trump supporter and will be treated as such by those whose lives depend on a Democrat, *ANY* Democrat winning.
Try telling an African American that Biden doesn't pass your personal purity test enough so you don't care if Trump wins.
So what's this thread actually about? I'm not sure what anyone is hoping to accomplish with the thread title and framing put forth. It's not necessarily a bad message, but it's presented in like, the worst way possible.
So-called moderates have sold the average American up shit's creek. Biden wanted to cut Social Security for fuck's sake. He supports the continuation of mass deportation. He would continue a foreign policy that is starving and bombing kids in the Middle East. They aren't owed shit from us. They are ghouls.
The Democratic Party versus the Republican Party, to borrow an analogy from Helio, may he rest in peace, is a choice between having a limb cut off versus having your head cut off. I vote for no more cutting. If that's not an option, then what's it matter? We're bleeding out either way. "Less shitty" isn't a compelling reason to go out and vote. Look at depressed turnout among black and brown voters, and younger voters, in 2016. It just doesn't work.
Telling yourself doesn't change the fact you'd be picking Trump over Biden through your actions. Biden won't ruin the lives of minorities willfully. Trump will. And you would be picking the side of Trump.
Lecturing a disabled person is a great look for you. You should do it more.
People actively voting for at least a hope to keep the courts not completely fucked is not the fuck you, that not voting is. I get it, you hate moderates, they ain't great. But they are at least not going to actively fuck the courts like Trump is doing.
And again, no one is saying vote Biden or Bloomberg in the primaries. This is about the larger picture.
This makes no sense in the context of Biden vs Bernie/Warren as Biden is MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH more popular among African Americans than Bernie or Warren.
How about shutting the fuck up about me having to vote at all? I don't have to vote for either side and I'm not going to vote for your candidate or side just because you feel I should. Nobody gets my sword unless I have reason to lend it. Stop being so aggressive and acting like there's only one way to do things.
Being disabled doesn't mean he gets a free pass for supporting Trump.
Blah blah blah. No. That's not how this works. I will not vote for Biden and it is not a vote for Trump. I will write in Sanders or Warren, one way or another.
If you don't like that, tough shit. I am not a Trump voter, no matter how much you scream it. You are not shaming me this way, it does not work. You are just making yourself into an asshole.
*older African-Americans
As was Clinton, and we still saw depressed turnout. It just so happens that running a candidate with a history of racist policies has a chilling effect on black and brown people showing up at the polls!
Cool, then stop pretending that you're a progressive and care about what happens to marginalized groups with another 4 years of Trump.
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The overall african american community is massively behind Biden over either. Biden will likely win a overwhelming majority of the african american vote in the primary no matter who wins.
To be frank, most democrats aren't actually progressive either. They say they are by virtue of being left but they just want to swing that pendulum the other way.
Trump won because white women switched from Obama to him. You can't pin that on black people.
I'm not pinning that on us, but you can't expect that we'll be enthusiastic about showing up for someone like a Clinton or a Biden, who have long histories of racist policies.
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He isnt supporting trump you feckless jerkass. An individual not voting is not "voting for theperson I dislike". Not voting is not voting, it's a zero sum action, this is all just moral grandstanding. You just want a reason to scream at a disabled person and feel superior to tthem over a valid critique of their reason to simply not vote. it's shameful.
Are you aware of the impossible political circumstances that lead to DADT which became a stepping stone to allowing LGBT people to serve openly?
Clinton's administration also gave us RBG.
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