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Should Zero Suit Samus get her own game? If she did, what would it play like?
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Ugly because she looks like an actual woman instead of a sexualized anime waifu?
I don't get it either. That design fits the art style of Prime. It's not perfect but for a first attempt at a realistic looking Samus in 2002 it's pretty good. They could've improved it with the sequels but I guess Nintendo forced them to use the unfitting current design.
I hope there are ZSS sections in MP4 where she can utilize her whip and increased agility.
As for her design, yeah, it's unfortunate that Nintendo always 'happens' to show close-ups of her butt and boobs in official art. The sexualization of Samus has been a problem since the beginning of the series. Still, I think this is part of a wider discussion on video game protagonists' appearance in general - many of the leading men in the AAA blockbuster games are conventionally handsome, ripped white guys and I'm not sure if that's any better than ZSS's representation...
As for her design, yeah, it's unfortunate that Nintendo always 'happens' to show close-ups of her butt and boobs in official art. The sexualization of Samus has been a problem since the beginning of the series. Still, I think this is part of a wider discussion on video game protagonists' appearance in general - many of the leading men in the AAA blockbuster games are conventionally handsome, ripped white guys and I'm not sure if that's any better than ZSS's representation...
I don't like the Prime 1 look but I don't like "realistic" art styles in general.(usually)
I don't think ZSS needs her own game. But if they really wanted too maybe a something like Escape from Butcher Bay were Samus is thrown in a super federation prison post Fusion.
I don't think ZSS needs her own game. But if they really wanted too maybe a something like Escape from Butcher Bay were Samus is thrown in a super federation prison post Fusion.
This the the real Samus, strong frame, stern face, stoic courage
Not this anime waif
I'd be down for a more stealth focused game with ZSS but she can't be shown going up against the same threats as she does in her Power Armour.
Also get rid of the high heels and make it more of a wetsuit design instead of the so-form-fitting-you-can-see-her-belly-button design. It makes sense to have a form fitting suit inside the Power Armour, but dial it back a bit to the Super design please.
As for Samus herself: I love her current design. She looks confident and mature but still fits alongside the Nintendo characters. I think she needed to be more cartoony than her MP1 face (didn't fit the colourful armour at all) and jesus christ no to her MP2 design.
Also get rid of the high heels and make it more of a wetsuit design instead of the so-form-fitting-you-can-see-her-belly-button design. It makes sense to have a form fitting suit inside the Power Armour, but dial it back a bit to the Super design please.
As for Samus herself: I love her current design. She looks confident and mature but still fits alongside the Nintendo characters. I think she needed to be more cartoony than her MP1 face (didn't fit the colourful armour at all) and jesus christ no to her MP2 design.
Not really a fan of zero samus and the anime-ish styling it brings. I get why she used to be in her underwear and the compression suit makes sense as a replacement but the current design of the character overall is awful. She's a bounty hunter in a suit for hours at a time... maybe days if she can poop in there. why is she wearing space heels, makeup and a pony tail half way down her back. She's more cosplay babe than badass.
The Metroid universe in general has lost some of its mystery and appeal over the years. The writing/fiction needs an overhaul too.
The Metroid universe in general has lost some of its mystery and appeal over the years. The writing/fiction needs an overhaul too.
Eye opening breakdown here for anyone disagreeing with ya.
Chief is a good example because to put it into context, imagine if the design we got of Chief out of armor looked like this:
And from. Then on, that was the only image of chief we started getting. Imagine if the marketing of every halo game or halo related thing was just that guy image shown as chief and there was no MJLNR armor or orange visored helmet anywhere. Every single thing he did in every trailer and game became equivalent to a Magic Mike routine.
That is what the Zero suit essentially is.
I'm not arguing they should make a zero suit game, I'm just pointing out she has literally always been sexualised.
The thing is that for the majority of casual Nintendo fans, Smash is the way through which they perceive the majority of these franchises.
So with the introduction of ZSS in Brawl, Metroid became "that niche sci-fi series with the hot anime sex doll and some other robot character". The concept of playable ZSS was only even a one-off thing at that point - and still is to this day - and as such isn't at all representative of the series. That's part of why people wanted Ridley in Smash so badly instead; he's the only thing around other than Samus herself to a recurring presence in most of the games.
Yep
This the the real Samus, strong frame, stern face, stoic courage
Not this anime waif
I don't really care about sexualized characters but they clearly downgraded Samus to generic hot anime girl. I liked the Ripley Amazonian style and that's the kind of look I imagine her to have under the suit.
I will continue posting this picture of Katheryn Winnick in Vikings in the hopes that someone at Nintendo sees it and realizes that you can have someone look beautiful without making her look like a real doll
Eye opening breakdown here for anyone disagreeing with ya.
Chief is a good example because to put it into context, imagine if the design we got of Chief out of armor looked like this:
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Imagine having this much time on your hands.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of taking a still image and looking for all the flaws. I don't care for her design but of all of the ZSS designs Ultimate has the best one.
I didn't make it so I'm not sure what point your making there.
Mind showing me all this Metroid promotional stuff that's just ZSS?Eye opening breakdown here for anyone disagreeing with ya.
Chief is a good example because to put it into context, imagine if the design we got of Chief out of armor looked like this:
And from. Then on, that was the only image of chief we started getting. Imagine if the marketing of every halo game or halo related thing was just that guy image shown as chief and there was no MJLNR armor or orange visored helmet anywhere. Every single thing he did in every trailer and game became equivalent to a Magic Mike routine.
That is what the Zero suit essentially is.
Because outside of that one commercial and Smash I've certainly not seen it.
Samus Returns was nothing but the power suit and while ZSS is a Smash character, regular Samus still gets plenty of screen time.
I frankly do not get the complaints about it being "every single thing and trailer being ZSS" because frankly that's not true.
Unless you think her just being there in any capacity is offensive, in which case I don't know what to tell yah.
Obviously talking about smash, which mostly advertises zero suit Samus.
Far, far more people know Samus from Smash than they do Samus Returns.
That someone other than you has way too much time on their hands.
What does time spent on image crafting have to do with any points?
You do realize that her zero suit dates back to the original game on NES right? The cat suit is just a modern take on the 2 piece bikini from the original game.
Those look less sexualized than what we have now, Samus is essentially naked.
I really dislike the Metroid Zero Suit Samus design. Too cartoonish for a series that really isn't. I'd like to see a more detailed model of the below image from the first Metroid Prime. Keep Zero Suit to the 2D games.
Would be cool. Also the more anime the better.
Best suggestions have already been mentioned.
Either you go the Zero Mission ZZS part route and make it stealth heavy, Starcraft: Ghost esque,
Or you just fully embrace action.
Freely switching between ZZS and Power Suit.
ZZS
-ZZS with the whip would kinda play like Bayonetta with Kulshedra
-allow her whip to take sword form for another moveset.
-booster boots from Smash as an upgrade giving her more mobility and unlock as a new weapon for a kick heavy moveset.
-maybe some polearm or 2 energy daggers as weapons
Power Suit. Kind of like a Devil Trigger but not as limited. The Power Suit is too much of a core of Metroid to just have it be a short power up form
-Power Suit would would obviously have all the range and different beams.
-Slower close range combat than ZZS but Charge beam allows her to charge while fighting for some heavy hits with the cannon where she shoots while hitting the opponent
-Grapple Beam lets you pull in enemies Devil Bringer like, throw enemies around, get access to certain finisher
-later in the game Samus unlock a upgrade for the Power Suit that lets her materialize her beam as a bigger sword with different elements due to the different beams. Slightly different moveset and effects based on the beam used to make the sword. She can shoot the sword away which causes it to shatter. Depending on the beams different things happen when it shatters. Can also stab the opponent and send them flying with the sword
-speed booster to let Samus sprint at high speed and also get access to shinespark to allow her to launch herself in a direction. Since its a character action game: Samus can send the opponent flying, activate shinespark which slows down time as you choose your direction, charge past the enemy flying away, catch em mid air with the Grappling hook and slam them into the ground with a finisher.
-morphball and bombs exist. Morphball and using bombs and bomb jumps mid combo
Best suggestions have already been mentioned.
Either you go the Zero Mission ZZS part route and make it stealth heavy, Starcraft: Ghost esque,
Or you just fully embrace action.
Freely switching between ZZS and Power Suit.
ZZS
-ZZS with the whip would kinda play like Bayonetta with Kulshedra
-allow her whip to take sword form for another moveset.
-booster boots from Smash as an upgrade giving her more mobility and unlock as a new weapon for a kick heavy moveset.
-maybe some polearm or 2 energy daggers as weapons
Power Suit. Kind of like a Devil Trigger but not as limited. The Power Suit is too much of a core of Metroid to just have it be a short power up form
-Power Suit would would obviously have all the range and different beams.
-Slower close range combat than ZZS but Charge beam allows her to charge while fighting for some heavy hits with the cannon where she shoots while hitting the opponent
-Grapple Beam lets you pull in enemies Devil Bringer like, throw enemies around, get access to certain finisher
-later in the game Samus unlock a upgrade for the Power Suit that lets her materialize her beam as a bigger sword with different elements due to the different beams. Slightly different moveset and effects based on the beam used to make the sword. She can shoot the sword away which causes it to shatter. Depending on the beams different things happen when it shatters. Can also stab the opponent and send them flying with the sword
-speed booster to let Samus sprint at high speed and also get access to shinespark to allow her to launch herself in a direction. Since its a character action game: Samus can send the opponent flying, activate shinespark which slows down time as you choose your direction, charge past the enemy flying away, catch em mid air with the Grappling hook and slam them into the ground with a finisher.
-morphball and bombs exist. Morphball and using bombs and bomb jumps mid combo
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1. Mostly nothing
2. It's sad
3. There's no proof it was done intentionally to show off her body and if I was as sad as that person I could probably show examples of other characters in smash with distorted bodies.
The Zero Suit is an emergency survival device. Its design as it appears in the latest games is cool, but the Zero Suit section in Zero Mission is just the tip of the iceberg of everything that was wrong in that game that somehow so many people praise as the best 2D Metroid ever.
The Zero Suit isn't something you should base a game around. ZSS's role in Smash is as far as it should get. Samus is a hunter. Her character is about being armed to the teeth with lethal weapons, kicking space scum ass.
The Zero Suit isn't something you should base a game around. ZSS's role in Smash is as far as it should get. Samus is a hunter. Her character is about being armed to the teeth with lethal weapons, kicking space scum ass.
I think I would basically make a 3D Ghost and Goblins with some armor destruction mechanics similar of how weapons work in BotW or how the Nero's arm works now in DMC5.
You are basically more durable and powerful when going fully armored but it can get damaged by certain enemies special attacks or you can sacrifice it for a more powerful attack gaining certain new abilities in Zero form like dashing/rolling and more iframes. You obtain new parts by killing enemies and harvesting their parts and it would have a light crafting system by splicing enemies DNA.
Also it would be 2.5D ala Samus Returns
You are basically more durable and powerful when going fully armored but it can get damaged by certain enemies special attacks or you can sacrifice it for a more powerful attack gaining certain new abilities in Zero form like dashing/rolling and more iframes. You obtain new parts by killing enemies and harvesting their parts and it would have a light crafting system by splicing enemies DNA.
Also it would be 2.5D ala Samus Returns
I don't know what is up with the ZSS complaints.
She was heavily sexualized ingame since day one. She wears a fucking bikini in Metroid 1 and a leotard on 3. If you 100% those games that is your reward, to see this hot blonde girl almost naked.
Back to the thread, no. A segment in a game, like the first one, yes. An entire game? No need.
She was heavily sexualized ingame since day one. She wears a fucking bikini in Metroid 1 and a leotard on 3. If you 100% those games that is your reward, to see this hot blonde girl almost naked.
Back to the thread, no. A segment in a game, like the first one, yes. An entire game? No need.
You say that like it's a given that people don't have a problem with these examples.
Not probably, you would. Numerous characters have seriously broken rigs/anatomy during certain poses. Just take one look at Ryu when he does his jump kick. And I'm aware he looks this way for a reason but I really think that ZSS pic is seriously reaching.
Samus's out of suit designs have always been drawn for the male gaze. I do think there's some value in depicting a female character as both competent and sexy. It could be a great chance to have Samus own her sexuality.
With that said I would be okay with them giving her a better costume design.
Sorta I guess? Fits the lore and it makes sense, and its not like she isnt still a badass in the Zero Suit. Its obviously sexy on purpose but I doubt Zero Mission created an entire setpiece with different controls and everything just to have a sexy design.
I kinda like the idea of the game playing kinda like a RE4 in space, would be cool if you start with ZS and then get different armors kinda like Zelda BOTW and close to he end she recovers her old suit back.
Aftet catching up with the posts I gotta say this forum can really take the fun out even coming up with game ideas...
Aftet catching up with the posts I gotta say this forum can really take the fun out even coming up with game ideas...
As great as Zero Suit Samus is, I don't know if a Metroid game without Metroid gameplay could work. It'd be a cool side mode.
i would play a game where i sneak around snapping space pirate necks as long as it ends with getting the suit back and murderizing everyone
I'm one of those people. I'm a big, big supporter of Zero Mission as the best 2D iteration in the series*, although I've also spoken out against the Zero Suit section. For a game that promotes itself for its replayability, the excessively long, unskippable cutscene at the start and the mostly rigid progression through the ZS sequence is a big strike against the game. I can think of a few, other minor gripes but for the most part the experience is very solid otherwise. The action is fast and frenetic, and you're left with allot of latitude to accomplish your objectives, with plenty of shortcuts scattered throughout for the adventurous. Encounters are easy but that's understandable since the game's intended to be played fast.
*-Officially at least. AM2R's really good but I'm on the fence about it being the best.
If you're an adult looking at the character maybe, sure. But when you're a kid, i think it's more personally identifying. My daughter liked playing as Samus in the suit in Smash but when she learned that ZSS was the same person, she liked the character more and would point out how it's sometimes cool to play without the suit.
Reminds me of when I was a kid and would play He-Man and Prince Adam toys with different motives. I definitely don't think my daughter would like the character as much if it was just a suited person. She prefers knowing a character is male or female and often picks female characters when the opportunity presents itself more clearly.
I'm all in for Prime 4 having a "out of armor" section that plays like a mix between ilien isolation and resident evil 4.
Oh, and only if Samus looks like this
For real, the Power Armor is so full of nearly magical abilities that you can't explain a tight fitting underarmor away with real life arguments.
I hate the ZSS Design. Undermines everything Samus should represent.
Oh, and only if Samus looks like this
For real, the Power Armor is so full of nearly magical abilities that you can't explain a tight fitting underarmor away with real life arguments.
I hate the ZSS Design. Undermines everything Samus should represent.