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Should/Will Biden pardon Trump?
- Thread starter Firmus_Anguis
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I know there's probably no legal way to actually make this happen, but I think a wonderful scenario would be:
1) Trump is found guilty of crimes that would put him in jail
2) Biden secretly offers a full pardon so that Trump never does a second of jail time, but only on the condition that Trump is never allowed to tweet, go on Fox News, or speak publicly ever again. The second he tosses out a new conspiracy or talks about Hillary's emails, he goes to jail.
3) Publicly, the pardon is framed as "now the country gets to 'move on' and 'start the healing', blah blah blah
4) Trump can't stir up his followers for the next four years
5) Trump dies within a few months without constant attention keeping him upright
Again, I understand this could never actually happen, but it seems like a win/win. Not sure if you could include his children in that scenario too but that would be icing on the cake.
1) Trump is found guilty of crimes that would put him in jail
2) Biden secretly offers a full pardon so that Trump never does a second of jail time, but only on the condition that Trump is never allowed to tweet, go on Fox News, or speak publicly ever again. The second he tosses out a new conspiracy or talks about Hillary's emails, he goes to jail.
3) Publicly, the pardon is framed as "now the country gets to 'move on' and 'start the healing', blah blah blah
4) Trump can't stir up his followers for the next four years
5) Trump dies within a few months without constant attention keeping him upright
Again, I understand this could never actually happen, but it seems like a win/win. Not sure if you could include his children in that scenario too but that would be icing on the cake.
Ford said he regretted it and Nixon was part of his party. Now will Biden have the DOJ stay in the background on the case for a while? Sure tons of other messes caused by Trump to fix that are a bigger priority. But NYAG is going to go full steam and if the results of that are obvious there's no reason not to let the DOJ go after his head too
No previous president has tried to fracture the country to this level and pardoning him will Condone everything he's done. But showing he was a crook before he got into office then exposing what he did is the best statement that can be made. The previous presidents people hate can still say they did it for the country, Trump can't
No previous president has tried to fracture the country to this level and pardoning him will Condone everything he's done. But showing he was a crook before he got into office then exposing what he did is the best statement that can be made. The previous presidents people hate can still say they did it for the country, Trump can't
I'd rather he
Yeah, Trump is shameless enough to sign a piece of paper and scream "I pardoned myself, gotcha!" but that won't stop states from prosecuting him or his businesses.
Yeah, Trump is shameless enough to sign a piece of paper and scream "I pardoned myself, gotcha!" but that won't stop states from prosecuting him or his businesses.
They need to go after the underlings and get them to flip on their superiors same way mueller did.
If he doesn't pardon himself before leaving office, I could see Republicans holding the government hostage until Biden pardoned him. Like forcing a shutdown or refusing to allow appointments/votes until he is pardoned
I don't see Biden running for re-election at the age of 82. I think he did what he had to do and get Trump out but we need NEW BLOOD.
No and fuck pleasing his fan base/supporters. The last thing they need is more coddling, handholding and people excusing and pretending their shitty actions and the actions of their so-called 'Emperor God' is in any way remotely okay.
If anything, I hope at least some of these idiots will get a much needed wake up call and turn for the better, but I won't hold my breath.
If anything, I hope at least some of these idiots will get a much needed wake up call and turn for the better, but I won't hold my breath.
Dude, Biden hates Trump more than any of us, he's not pardoning him and if Trump pardons himself, I can see Biden finding some way to rescind the pardon.
No. Set a precedent. This chapter needs to end, not be left open for interpretation.
His cult will disperse back into smaller disorganized dens of hate and conspiracy.
Disgraced as a felon, he will become an example, not a martyr.
His cult will disperse back into smaller disorganized dens of hate and conspiracy.
Disgraced as a felon, he will become an example, not a martyr.
As many other people have said, Biden himself has shut down the idea.
I think if Trump thinks he needs it, he'll either try to do a self-pardon or resign and get Pence to do it. I believe Ford's pardon of Nixon included crimes known or unknown for a period of time (might be wrong about that) so if he can, that would be the smart move.
Then again, that doesn't cover state charges. Also, Trump isn't smart.
I think if Trump thinks he needs it, he'll either try to do a self-pardon or resign and get Pence to do it. I believe Ford's pardon of Nixon included crimes known or unknown for a period of time (might be wrong about that) so if he can, that would be the smart move.
Then again, that doesn't cover state charges. Also, Trump isn't smart.
He would never
Only way trump gets off completely free is if he threatens to release government secrets but I think he resigns and asks pence to pardon him
He legit has congress, the Supreme Court on his side
Only way trump gets off completely free is if he threatens to release government secrets but I think he resigns and asks pence to pardon him
He legit has congress, the Supreme Court on his side
Honestly, the cynical side of me say Trump gets a slap on the wrist at most. But there's no way Biden would pardon him.
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GOP is going to have their own problems, they are already trying to distance themselves from Trump and there's a good chance they've got a Nero on their hands. The party could literally schism. Also they don't have the senate yet
Right. I don't think Biden will pardon him, because I also think it's just lunacy to believe that Trump faces any real jail time for anything he's done.
I hope they throw the book at him and dismantle his brand and his legacy down to their molecules. Trump needs to become the ultimate deterrent for any future wannabe dictator willing to perverse the systems to absolute corruption. Wipe him the fuck out.
He should on the condition Trump gets exiled to an island where he is king. His followers will leave.
There is no way Biden is going to let a fellow rich white dude face prison time. He can talk about investigations and pressing charges all he wants but the worst punishment Trump will face on the federal level will be a relative slap on the wrist - if any at all.
He already said he won't
Pressing this over and over is like people who still think one piece will be the journey and friends made along the way
Pressing this over and over is like people who still think one piece will be the journey and friends made along the way
The Trump presidency showed us how fragile our system is and how much of it relies on the honor code. He needs to be made an example of, or the next guy will come along and do what Trump did, but actually be successful. We can't let Trumps actions stand without punishment.
exactly, 100% this
if biden goes back on his word with this he'd be pissing off the people who elected him
Not sure there'd be a point. Dems would just be pissed and Republicans would laugh all the way to the next election when they vote for Trump again
If your question is whether or not Trump will go to prison, the answer is hell no, no way he's going to prison. Whether or not he needs to pardon to avoid that, I'm not sure.
As someone who's not from US, is there somewhere I can actually read what Trump's crimes are? Like which US laws he has clearly broken?
I understand that he has done lots of morally bad stuff, but every president has done at least some questionable stuff, and it usually doesn't lead to any real punishment, as far as I know.
Anyway, unless Trump has done some outright illegal stuff (like undoubtedly proven corruption or murder), he will not get punished. Not only because Trump has a large following, but because it sets a precedent. And I would believe most presidents wouldn't want there being a possibility of them being taken to prison because of their policies.
I understand that he has done lots of morally bad stuff, but every president has done at least some questionable stuff, and it usually doesn't lead to any real punishment, as far as I know.
Anyway, unless Trump has done some outright illegal stuff (like undoubtedly proven corruption or murder), he will not get punished. Not only because Trump has a large following, but because it sets a precedent. And I would believe most presidents wouldn't want there being a possibility of them being taken to prison because of their policies.
I think Biden could, Ford pardoned Nixon and he was being impeached when he resigned. However he can't pardon himself as it'd be in direct conflict with the impeachment
Correct, but I believe "being impeached" and "impeached" are what makes the difference in this particular situation.
Had to Google it.
Source
I think a lot of people are missing that fact. Some people are acting like the outgoing president is always pardoned by the incoming president and it's a long-standing tradition or something, when in reality it's only happened once and in highly specific circumstances. Ford wasn't even Nixon's first VP, that was Agnew, who also resigned after pleading no contest to bribery charges. Ford was hand-picked to deliver a pardon.
He's already said he's gonna stay out of it and let the chips fall where they may when it comes to how the DOJ handles it
