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Should SFVI start from scratch (like previous SF games) or reuse SFV assets for a larger roster?
- Thread starter Neoxon
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Three years later and crush counters are still satisfying as hell to pull off every time. Some people act like SFV's combat system is objectively trash for some reason but so much stuff about how this game plays feels great.
Oh, don't get me wrong - I love the mechanic, I just think that if they were to keep some assets from SF5 one of the key things they should do to differentiate the game should be to change SF5's 'unique mechanic', just as focus attacks were replaced. The difference is that V-Triggers are measurably better than FAs though, so I'd like the new mechanic to still be quite similar. It's just a way to make a new game stand out though.
There is no reason why they cannot reuse SF5 assets while changing their art style. Starting from scratch sounds nice but creating fresh assets would make the game very expensive for them and would require time. We've already seen how impatient Capcom can be with game development with trying to meet investor quotas also how bare-bones their game can be on launch when lacking time and money, especially their fighting games.
I'm team reuse
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Also can we PLEASE stop comparing how ArcSys does their animation vs Capcom? They both want to accomplish very different goals with their animation so IT IS NOT A FAIR COMPARISON for either Capcom or Arc System Works. One is not better than the other because they both accomplish different goals.
I'm team reuse
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Also can we PLEASE stop comparing how ArcSys does their animation vs Capcom? They both want to accomplish very different goals with their animation so IT IS NOT A FAIR COMPARISON for either Capcom or Arc System Works. One is not better than the other because they both accomplish different goals.
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It should be a new game on all platforms, and if they are serious about esports make it FTP. It doesn't have to look like DMC5, it has to be on Switch. Dial the visuals back if that's what needs to happen. The appeal of the visuals should be in the character design and animation.
A "complete" version would at most mean the same old SFV disc with different art/packaging and a voucher for previous season passes, much like Arcade Edition. No chance of including all outfits and stages for free.
I would miss both of these things, yes.
We've had three iterations on the MP+MK mechanic.
1. Universal Overhead
2. Focus
3. V-Skills
V-Skills have proven the most useful because they aren't universal and are tailored to the character. Some of them are overheads like 3S. Some of them are Focus Attack like. And yeah, some are bad, but on balance I don't see how you go back from the variety the V-Skill system provides to something universal and restricted.
I'm fine with keeping V-skills, but the whole 2nd meter thing has to go, it was bad in SFIV and SFV.
The big thing I'd want to see in a SFVI is allow for a projectile/shoto game again, just make sure the other chars have strong ways to bust it (Birdie before he got nerfed into the ground repeatedly is a good example of this)
The big thing I'd want to see in a SFVI is allow for a projectile/shoto game again, just make sure the other chars have strong ways to bust it (Birdie before he got nerfed into the ground repeatedly is a good example of this)
Street Fighter 6 needs nothing less than a complete, start-from-scratch development process. Nothing else will suffice.
For Capcom: finish out SFV with a bang... and then *completely* forget about it
For Capcom: finish out SFV with a bang... and then *completely* forget about it
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Like I said before, the fact that most of SFV's newcomers were well-received pretty much cements that SFV won't be completely forgotten. Characters like Rashid (for popularity), Menat (see Rashid), Ed (for story reasons), Zeku (see Rashid & Menat), & G (both popularity & story) will probably return. Maybe Laura & Kolin as well depending on how they want to approach the Matsuda family & the Illuminati in SFVI. There are also design/story changes that were for the better that'll likely be carried over (Sakura, Karin, Cody, Balrog, Dhalsim, etc.).
You go back to making special moves special moves instead of shoehorning them into the VSkill/VTrigger system. Spin knuckle as a VSkill? Balrog's dash punch variations as VSkills? Half a dozen slightly different variations of parry/FA? Come on. The V system is itself a ridiculous restriction on game design.
If there must be a MP+MK ability, give us a universal parry/focus attack and be done with it.
Ideally limit the V meter usage to just alpha counters (1 block), special move cancels (2 blocks), and powering up supers (3 blocks, automatic expenditure), without any framedata variations or state changes.
Why isn't Viper in V?
Um, you ain't played or seen Balrog in SFV at all have you?
Not everybody in the cast will be able to take advantage of a universal parry or focus attack. The tiers will always favor those who can.
That's exactly why I think V-skills work better than an overall "system", like say focus attack where certain character types inherently don't mesh well.
The ability for unique stuff allows for every character to make up ground where any other system feature is unfavorable.
I doubt V-Trigger will return in VI. Capcom likes each game to have their own identity and V-Trigger is a big part of SFV's.
Not to mention that I think most casuals don't understand V-Trigger and find the mechanic confusing and intimidating, especially now that each character has two of them. Exactly the fact that V-Trigger is not universal certainly doesn't help in that regard, and is a major reason for why I don't see Capcom keeping it in VI. The hardcore fighting game audience is not enough to make fighting games as successful as Capcom would like their games to be, so they probably want a more accessible system.
Not to mention that I think most casuals don't understand V-Trigger and find the mechanic confusing and intimidating, especially now that each character has two of them. Exactly the fact that V-Trigger is not universal certainly doesn't help in that regard, and is a major reason for why I don't see Capcom keeping it in VI. The hardcore fighting game audience is not enough to make fighting games as successful as Capcom would like their games to be, so they probably want a more accessible system.
I think the v system is severely underrated. It's extremely elegant in the way it combines the reversals, meter, skills and trigger. One of my favorite systems in a fighting game. Which makes it all the more painful that it was apparently stripped from a Darkstalkers game...
I want to see what they can do next though, for better or worse. SF4 in a way was a SF2 sequel, V was very influenced by Zero/Alpha, so I'm really hoping that 6 takes its cues from SF3.
I want to see what they can do next though, for better or worse. SF4 in a way was a SF2 sequel, V was very influenced by Zero/Alpha, so I'm really hoping that 6 takes its cues from SF3.
An entire subgenre of fighting games was stripped from Darkstalkers. It's only right Capcom stole from themselves too.
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You're correct, SFVI would be a 2022 release at the absolutions earliest.
Reuse, definitely. They struck gold with the character models, and I'm in fear that the female cast won't look anywhere near as strong in 6 if they go in with a new art direction.
Keep SFVI women looking STRONG.
Keep SFVI women looking STRONG.
That was before the Kagepocalypse of 2018. SFV might be dying young.
V-Skill is fine but V-Trigger has to go. This is not even a comeback mechanic anymore but a written promise that you have to wait 30 seconds for your character to be even remotely interesting to play. This doesn't apply to everyone (Urien), but some characters would benefit from having their biggest tools that defines them to be more readily available
I agree that IV took a lot of inspiration from II, but V felt a lot more like III than any Alpha (ACs not withstanding -- IV and V both had dashing and EX moves) in how slowly characters moved and animated and how the ranged game was so weak. I'd love to see SFVI skew closer to the feel of Alpha 2 or CvS2 (minus A groove/CCs/roll cancels).
All the good III characters were already in IV (or V, with Alex). Give us Mel and Gouken-aged Ryu, adult Ibuki and Makoto, etc.
Yes.
lookit dat definition
but this game is "butt ugly" I guess
It feels like tradition for each new numbered version to have a new look so I'd go with that. Animation reuse I have less issue with though.
That said there is the side of me who used to love dicking around with mugen who wouldn't mind a Capcom fighter where they just shove in anyone they have half decent assets for just to have a crazy sized roster like used to happen in the 2D days. Probably best left for a none numbered spin off though.
That said there is the side of me who used to love dicking around with mugen who wouldn't mind a Capcom fighter where they just shove in anyone they have half decent assets for just to have a crazy sized roster like used to happen in the 2D days. Probably best left for a none numbered spin off though.
Explain to me how v-trigger is less accessible or more complicated than anything in 4, which sold much much better. It's literally a two button press to get extra moves.
I'd personally like Capcom to bring back taunts that actually did something again.
I disagree that the V-System is good. For a ton of characters MP+MK is literally just a special move they had before. I could do HCB+P for Cammy's backfist in SFIV, here I just press MP+MK, the only difference is the execution barrior was lowered. V-Reversals are useless too, why did they nerf these even more?
If anything the V-Trigger was kinda nice (HP+HK) but it's mainly used as a combo extender, sooo meh... I hope they again try something new and don't reuse V-Trigger or Focus Attack or something
My biggest complains about SFV are the stupid non-semi-invincible DPs and the buffer making every combo a 3 frame link.
If anything the V-Trigger was kinda nice (HP+HK) but it's mainly used as a combo extender, sooo meh... I hope they again try something new and don't reuse V-Trigger or Focus Attack or something
My biggest complains about SFV are the stupid non-semi-invincible DPs and the buffer making every combo a 3 frame link.
In addition to it being the only fighter aside from Killer Instinct to support crossplay with PC.
I voted reuse thinking of Smash Ultimate. I mean yeah it's a new game not saying it isn't but I think it's based a lot in the previous game and this actually helped it to have a lot of additional content added. Imo this is how games like this should be done. Going from a 30+ fighters game to a bare bones one that only has 8-12 at launch sucks.
Years from now, Ken's face will end up being the most memorable and enduring aspect of SFV.
Scrap all assets and start over in a new engine. Keep the awesome music but my goodness get those play doh models out of there. Take every available class on 3d modeling and clipping and then.....take them again.
Redo the combo system and make it less ridged. Scale the dmg if you need to but let the player have fun. (Characters like G and Kage come to mind here) and even then GO DEEPER !
Redo the combo system and make it less ridged. Scale the dmg if you need to but let the player have fun. (Characters like G and Kage come to mind here) and even then GO DEEPER !
Well gameplay wise I don't think V necessarily feels more like Alpha than III, or vice versa, but Nash, Birdie, Mika and Karin all in the base roster definitely feels like an Alpha call out, along with the v reversals and no returning SF3 or SF4 fighters until DLC.
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I'd like to see something completely new. Will it happen? Who knows, but let's get some ads in that bad boy.