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Should SFVI start from scratch (like previous SF games) or reuse SFV assets for a larger roster?
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Maybe on console I don't know, I just played a few rounds and I think it looks beautiful still. Great animations too.
I have a couple nitpicks with Street Fighter V's artstyle (mostly my huge distate for the backgrounds and it's NPCs that don't even look like they belong in the same universe) but nothing that would warrant a huge change, much less going back to sprites. Street Fighter has always been cartoony.and the character models are pretty good, I would argue that they can make hands and feet a bit smaller and actions would read as good, especially since many attacks don't even reach as far as the model would make you think.
They need to take their time, split things up into seasons again. The more they do on day 1 the less they get to do to support the game long term and it allows them to update the presentation properly.
SFV already runs on UE4. Budget could be a potential issue for SFVI, yes.
Tekken 7 lets you play as a dead character and it's fine, and tekken is more focused on story than sf.
I mean technically even SF5 lets you play characters with their old look , they can brush it as "costumes " but it's basically the same thing imo
Mortal Kombat 9 got away with reusing assets. And I have to assume MK11 will compose of many of these same assets with a new veneer.
Do you have concrete examples ?
I'll concede for animations but a lot of models had to be redone for the new rendering pipeline.
To me this doesn't look nearly as pleasing on the eyes as V. I applaud what they were able to do, however.boy i wished SFV looked like this game (just with better animations)
Can we talk about how ugly some of the backgrounds are in SFV? The heliport, the lair of the four emperors, the CPT stages...
boy i wished SFV looked like this game (just with better animations)
Can we talk about how ugly some of the backgrounds are in SFV? The heliport, the lair of the four emperors, the CPT stages...
This looks really ugly to me. Super busy. The characters blend in with the backgrounds.
They gotta start from scratch, but not in a start from scratch and have a lesser roster kinda standpoint. They gotta let SFVI sit in the oven for a long time and make sure it has enough content. They gotta move away from the awful business model that they've employed when it comes to getting new characters/costumes. The fact they're gone through the effort of adding a advertisement system into SFV shows that it's not doing well financially, and that's probably a trickle down kinda thing since the poor initial sales when the game first released. They gotta pay close attention to what the community is asking for over the next couple of years to make sure they're able to deliver a product to a fanbase that is incredibly dedicated to the franchise, otherwise it might just turn out even worse. SFV/MvCI have clearly not done them a whole lot of good, and people are moving onto other games. Tekken and Guilty Gear are games that I got bigger than I expected over the last couple years and Dragon Ball FighterZ seems to have been a massive success, and I think a lot of that comes from people moving on from Street Fighter finally.
I have played this game and to me this is super ugly because the background blends with the characters and the on screen graphics are so mind numbingly terrible and ugly and don't fit the overall aesthetic of the game at all, just look at the character icons.boy i wished SFV looked like this game (just with better animations)
Can we talk about how ugly some of the backgrounds are in SFV? The heliport, the lair of the four emperors, the CPT stages...
Also the animations in this game are inferior to the ones you see in SFV.
Arika's modelers are on some next level shit given their budget. The characters themselves are really quite gorgeous even if the rest of the game isn't. I almost want Capcom to partner up with them in the future on something.boy i wished SFV looked like this game (just with better animations)
Can we talk about how ugly some of the backgrounds are in SFV? The heliport, the lair of the four emperors, the CPT stages...
....Is this sarcasm?boy i wished SFV looked like this game (just with better animations)
Can we talk about how ugly some of the backgrounds are in SFV? The heliport, the lair of the four emperors, the CPT stages...
start from scratch
SFV is a horrible game
it's best to go back to formula and make Street Fighter Street Fighter again
SFV is a horrible game
it's best to go back to formula and make Street Fighter Street Fighter again
I hope they carry over the roster, but I'll take it either way.
But they have to fix their shit netcode.
But they have to fix their shit netcode.
Can it get any worse than a full price title with ads?
...I guess it can lol
The majority of the returning cast from Smash 4 retain their model geometry with minor alterations and updated textures and lighting. Most of them have the same voices too. There are a few exceptions like some Zelda and FE characters getting brand new models to match their newer games.
Stage geometry and texture updates are a little more extensive since many of them were taken from melee and brawl and beginning to show their age, though it's clear that they've been building on previous versions rather than remaking them from scratch.
Yeah SNK or ArcSystems are completely broken using something very close to sprites which looks like 10 times more awesome...
Hell even MvC3 looked far better in my eyes
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What is it with people like you not reading here? Fucking annoying. Go back to WHO I responded to. Two, do research on WHY. Not doing that shit for you.
SNK was in financial trouble post KOFXII/XIII until they got bought out by a Chinese conglomerate. Arc's last sprite-based fighter (BB Tag) had only four new characters worth of sprites while the rest of the roster is recycled from three different games.
Sprites are expensive and are a net negative on mainstream/casual interest in a game.
I think Street Fighter V came out 7 years after Street Fighter IV
That was the perfect time to release it for me.
So I'd like Street Fighter VI to come out atleast in 2022 which would be the 35th Anniversary for the franchise.
They should support Street Fighter V until 2020. Then have a year off in 2021 to get people hungry again then release VI in 2022.
As for graphics as I've said before they should not just simply port over the models but not remake them either. Do something in between and upgrade the current models.
That was the perfect time to release it for me.
So I'd like Street Fighter VI to come out atleast in 2022 which would be the 35th Anniversary for the franchise.
They should support Street Fighter V until 2020. Then have a year off in 2021 to get people hungry again then release VI in 2022.
As for graphics as I've said before they should not just simply port over the models but not remake them either. Do something in between and upgrade the current models.
I wouldn't go that far, but it's up there.
1. ST
2. 3S
3. SFV
4. USFIV
5. HF
It should reuse assets to keep up with other franchises in terms of content going forward IMO. All sorts of lighting and aesthetic tweaks can happen while reusing animations.
I understand most are hesitant due to how rough SFIV and V look but I think for SFVI to start off on the best foot possible it needs the biggest variety of characters and gameplay options it can have at LAUNCH.
I am a big fan of this series and I think it would be for the best.
I understand most are hesitant due to how rough SFIV and V look but I think for SFVI to start off on the best foot possible it needs the biggest variety of characters and gameplay options it can have at LAUNCH.
I am a big fan of this series and I think it would be for the best.
Hm, as someone who plays SFV, Rev2, and DBFZ, nothing's given me the impression of Guilty Gear getting bigger than expected when the Xrd games very much underperformed, hence Ishiwatari and his team rethinking their approach in the (I believe misguided) hopes that further simplification will be what increases the franchise's appeal. Online has also been nowhere near as active as SFV, ranked being pretty much dead and the lobbies largely empty a year after Rev2's release (splitting the community by making it a paid update to Rev1 did the game no favors, in addition to some anime players migrating to BBTAG).
As for DBFZ, its success has much to do with people loving Dragon Ball in spite of also being a good game (even if GG played just like it, I have no reason to believe it would've been anywhere near as popular).
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Either expand upon SFV's roster entirely or scorched earth it like SF3 and make everyone new.
Then patch Ryu and Ken in after people bitch at the location test.
Then patch Ryu and Ken in after people bitch at the location test.
I already posted in this thread, but I'll post again I guess.
SFV is an amazing-looking game to me, mostly due to the animation quality, which is probably the most expensive aspect of the game's production. At least that they should retain, as much as possible. They can always rig newer character models to use them, just like how most returning characters in MvCI reuse the animation from MvC3 despite having entirely new models.
Aesthetically they need to keep building on the cartoonish/painterly style they started with SF4 and continued with SFV. I don't want a Street Fighter game that looks like an RE Engine game, or a NRS game, or even an ArcSys game. I want a Street Fighter that looks like fucking Street Fighter, and SFV absolutely carved out a unique look for itself among the other fighters on the market.
Which re-uses animation from multiple generations ago. So what should we call it?
I assume FEXL outsourced nearly everything, in an even great percentage than Capcom did with SFV probably.
Yes... ten times more awesome.
SFV is an amazing-looking game to me, mostly due to the animation quality, which is probably the most expensive aspect of the game's production. At least that they should retain, as much as possible. They can always rig newer character models to use them, just like how most returning characters in MvCI reuse the animation from MvC3 despite having entirely new models.
Aesthetically they need to keep building on the cartoonish/painterly style they started with SF4 and continued with SFV. I don't want a Street Fighter game that looks like an RE Engine game, or a NRS game, or even an ArcSys game. I want a Street Fighter that looks like fucking Street Fighter, and SFV absolutely carved out a unique look for itself among the other fighters on the market.
Which re-uses animation from multiple generations ago. So what should we call it?
I assume FEXL outsourced nearly everything, in an even great percentage than Capcom did with SFV probably.
Yes... ten times more awesome.
When I think about it, I'm not sure what I'd want from a Street Fighter VI. I love V's framework so much that I'd rather they just keep updating it.
ArcSys fighters have downright bad animation with choppy frames, yet they receive nothing but praise. It's honestly a mystery to me how they gained the reputation they have. People think "it looks like anime!" equals "it looks good", I guess :PI already posted in this thread, but I'll post again I guess.
SFV is an amazing-looking game to me, mostly due to the animation quality, which is probably the most expensive aspect of the game's production. At least that they should retain, as much as possible. They can always rig newer character models to use them, just like how most returning characters in MvCI reuse the animation from MvC3 despite having entirely new models.
Aesthetically they need to keep building on the cartoonish/painterly style they started with SF4 and continued with SFV. I don't want a Street Fighter game that looks like an RE Engine game, or a NRS game, or even an ArcSys game. I want a Street Fighter that looks like fucking Street Fighter, and SFV absolutely carved out a unique look for itself among the other fighters on the market.
Which re-uses animation from multiple generations ago. So what should we call it?
I assume FEXL outsourced nearly everything, in an even great percentage than Capcom did with SFV probably.
Yes... ten times more awesome.
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I love V's animations, I wouldn't mind at all if they reused them for VI.
Because it looks great in stills. The game looks like a busy and choppy mess in motion.
Build on the SF5 system - make some minor art style/lighting changes to make it stand out and differentiate it, but keep the animations and the cast. Perhaps change some designs/costumes as necessary.
Mainly, what I'd like is a new game building on SF5's foundations with the V-system replaced with something new.
Mainly, what I'd like is a new game building on SF5's foundations with the V-system replaced with something new.
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I'd imagine that SFVI would be PS5/Xbox Scarlett/PC whenever it happens.
boy i wished SFV looked like this game (just with better animations)
Can we talk about how ugly some of the backgrounds are in SFV? The heliport, the lair of the four emperors, the CPT stages...
Damn, Okay, I'm loving this.
Doesn't really have an ambitiuos artstyle like the rest of the street fighters though.
It's going to be a Switch exclusive. Streamed like Resident Evil 7. Street Fighter VI: Cloud Edition.
Starting from scratch makes a nice, clean break between each numbered entry and allows a rotation of characters old and new. But reusing assets wouldn't be the end of the world especially given the complaints about how content light SFV was at launch. With a reuse of assets it allows Capcom to focus on other areas of content a bit more, and it also doesn't block there being new characters and remixes on existing ones. Asset reuse isn't necessarily a bad thing in moderation. I do wonder how SFVI will be funded though, and whether there would be the levy of one of the console manufacturers over the IP again for the generation as with Sony in this iteration (of course, it is on PC as well though).
Yeah I'm hoping that's the case
2/10.
Ono buff this posts humor.
I don't think I could go back to a Street Fighter game that doesn't have a V-Trigger-like mechanic.
I lowkey feel that way about crush counters. I need them Sonic rings to spill out when I punish a DP forever and ever amen.