Should I feel bad when I cheese parts of games? (Spoilers, Obviously)

[Empyrean Cocytus]

So in FFVII Remake, I had a hell of a time with Rufus in Chapter 17. Probably took me about 10 times to beat him. I was able to take out Darkstar easy enough, but I was never able to attack him while he's reloading, and he interrupts all my big attacks. Finally, I'm able to stagger him with a Braver while he's reloading, and take him out with my Limit Break. It takes him out in one hit, but I feel dirty that he was able to beat the crap out of me so easily, it makes the win feel undeserved.

Another example is Titanfall 2, the fight with Richter. Again, he beats me up pretty handlily, so with no other options, I switch to Ronin loadout and just spam my sword attack, eventually winning, but taking a ton of damage in the process.

In Spider-Man, during the 2nd part of the DLC campaign, I face off with a particularly difficult Hideout mission. In the end I have to contend with two Chaingun grunts, and this was before you could use finishers on them in part 3. Finally once I've beaten everyone but them, I stick and move, running away when they start firing, wasting my time and building focus until I can take them out. Probably took me 10 whole minutes to beat both guys when a skilled player could do it much easier.

So in the end, I'm noticing that when faced with difficult fights I'm forced to either fight cheap or fight dirty, neither of which is an honorable or skillful way of winning. I gain nothing, and I learn nothing, and the victory is thus hollow. Am I worrying too much? Or should I be ashamed that I'm not doing things the "right" way?

 

[@TheFriendlyBro]

If you're having fun doing it, then no.

At the end of the day, its a game. Play how you want, and have fun doing it.

 

[Jawmuncher]

A wins a win in my book. If the game lets you do it, it's all fair.

 

[Weiss]

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

 

[Salarians]

finding fun ways to break the game is more fun to me than playing it "right" in a lot of cases tbqh
dark souls boss fell of the bridge? excellent and hilarious

also

who cares? it's not like the gamer cops are gonna arrest you over that

 

[Empyrean Cocytus]

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

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Yeah, figured this was coming. Yes, using cheat codes or lowering the difficulty level are more common ways of doing this, but even doing it they way I do, I feel bad.

 

[Weiss]

Yeah, figured this was coming. Yes, using cheat codes or lowering the difficulty level are more common ways of doing this, but even doing it they way I do, I feel bad.

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It's just a copypaste bro

ain't nobody got time for boring bits in games

 

[Pineapple]

I usually try to find ways to break battle systems and fights, just to see if I can do it.

Don't sweat it for single-player stuff, as long as ya still having fun it's all good.

 

[Firestorm]

No, one of the interesting aspects of games is figuring out how to cheese something. I remember in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles my friends and I got through most boss battles by having two people constantly casting Curaga, one person acting as bait, and one person acting as dps in battles that took 3 times as long as they probably were supposed to because of how underlevelled we were.

 

[Empyrean Cocytus]

It's just a copypaste bro

ain't nobody got time for boring bits in games

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I mean this is part of why I don't touch FromSoft games. Because A. I admit I'm not very good and B. I don't want to break all of my controllers.

(and yes, I know this was a copypasta, I just completely forgot it)

 

[Lobster Roll]

The "correct" way to beat something is never gospel. So you cheesed a boss, and that's that. The developers gave you the tool and you used it. Don't ever feel bad about winning in a game because of some weird, unspoken, groupthink rules about how you can and cannot beat a game.

 

[Firima]

I never play through Assault on the Control Room straight. I always use Banshee skip or Shade skip, fucking cavernous snoozefest of a level.

Also, I cheese Maneater number one because that fight is trash and a half, even by From standards.

 

[Burt]

It's just a copypaste bro

ain't nobody got time for boring bits in games

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unless it's plinking someone with 4000 arrows in a bethesda game for that sweet sweet loot you're not supposed to have for another 20 hours

 

[JazzmanZ]

Cheesing is part of the experience

 

[lvl 99 Pixel]

Cheesing is fine if you don't enjoy the segment, but sometimes it negates the intended challenge to where you might have missed out on an experience you'll now never have.

 

[Death Penalty]

You should only feel bad about cheesing if you want to. Your experience with a game is yours to dictate, and if you think you'd find it more fulfilling to be challenged then maybe go back and try again. If not, easy breezy, who cares! Just enjoy yourself.

 

[Pyro]

Never feel bad about it. If the devs truly don't want it there they'll patch it out.

 

[laoni]

Rufus' Assess mentions that using a certain move on him (Cross Slash) will cause him massive damage/stagger, so, I wouldn't feel too bad on that one, the game tells you about it

 

[Mage_of_Cinder]

Dude, fuggetabouit, "cheesing" is not a bad strategy; even though it feels cheap. The computer always cheats anyway, so why not exploit it's flaws?

 

[Empyrean Cocytus]

Rufus' Assess mentions that using a certain move on him (Cross Slash) will cause him massive damage/stagger, so, I wouldn't feel too bad on that one, the game tells you about it

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I believe it's actually referencing Braver (which will automatically stagger him while he's reloading), but your point is correct.

 

[Deleted member 21709]

No! Games are far too often cheesing on the player.

 

[shintoki]

I would never play a GTA game legit

 

[TiltedParadoxes]

"Winning is winning, doesn't matter if it's by a inch or a mile"

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lol of course not who cares I beat dark souls 3 by summoning npcs and running from boss to boss. I'll still tell people I beat dark souls 3 to see them squirm

 

[YellowBara]

If a game allows you to do it, even unintentionally, I don't see the harm. Sometimes it's really fun to see an otherwise tough enemy die laughably fast.

Especially when it's a really fun cheese method. Phoenix Down -> Death on that one boss in FFX is a good example

 

[ClickyCal']

In doom eternal there is a chance for sort of common glitch to happen with the double doom hunter boss fight. One of them gets stuck in this spot. I won when it happened.

 

[StreamedHams]

Never feel bad, OP. Ever.

Also see "there's no such thing as a fair fight" and "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying".

 

[Soriku]

With Rufus they seem to have made it intentionally hard to hit/stagger him compared to like every other boss in the game, so I think being able to win after one limit break or so is intentional. If not they would've gave him more health/defense and extended the fight.

 

[Iori Fuyusaka]

Eh, as long as you didn't lower the difficulty.

 

[Tpallidum]

What do people even consider cheese these days? For the souls/BB/sekiro games they were calling certain op spells, weapons or abilities cheese because they trivialize certain bosses but that's always seemed wrong to me. You're literally just using an ability as intended. Weirdos still called it cheese.

So in the end I concluded that kind of "cheese" does not matter. As long as you're not bugging/glitching something (imo "actual" cheese) you're just using a strat as intended. To hell with everything else.

 

[PersianPrince]

In Sekiro, I couldn't beat the demon of hatred after 50+ tries so I went to YouTube and found a cheesing method where you lure him off the cliff and he kills himself. I felt bad about it but I couldn't stand facing him anymore and wanted to be done with the game. Do I need to go back and Git gud?

 

[Rendering...]

One trick with Rufus is he won't interrupt you if you cast magic before attacking.

It's a stupid battle because it forces a totally unfamiliar approach to combat with no warning, but at least the idiot is predictable. Slap an ATB Block materia on Cloud, keep Barrier up, and Rufus is no problem.

In Sekiro, I couldn't beat the demon of hatred after 50+ tries so I went to YouTube and found a cheesing method where you lure him off the cliff and he kills himself. I felt bad about it but I couldn't stand facing him anymore and wanted to be done with the game. Do I need to go back and Git gud?

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I did this and I still feel great satisfaction at the memory, lol.

 

[Iva Demilcol]

Killing the Maneaters from outside the fog door is a legit strategy

 

[Datajoy]

If you put "Spoilers, Obviously" in the title of the thread you should probably also mentioned which game you are spoiling in the title as well.