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Should Apple create a way for governments to unlock the iPhones of people selected by said governments?
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Of course not. We had this discussion before. You really trust the government to only use this in extreme situations? Hell no. They'll use it every time they want. It'll render all the security Apple puts in place completely useless.
Apple has done everything except bypass the encryption on the phone.
The government wants a backdoor, exclusively for them (🤣), that with grant them access to every device running iOS.
Encryption doesn't work that way. It's either secured or it's not.
If a backdoor exists, every Apple device worldwide is impacted and it won't just government who knows about it, or how to use it.
Innocent people will be affected by it.
Better? Nothing really just different. What helps the security is the walled garden. Apple controls what happens on the phones.
For example the government will use this in traffic stops against subjugated people. It won't just be the feds who have access to this if it's done, it will be the shit hole redneck police department in bum fuck wherever that uses it to shake down minorites.
Apple controls everything about the iPhone, this gives them a level of control that Android doesn't have.
iOS being closed source also helps in that regard.
The downside is that you're putting all your trust into one company, Apple.
I'm gonna let you in on a secret:
There's no such thing as data safety, and if a sufficiently determined secret service wants your data, they'll have it.
I'd rather such things pass by normal warrant processes than nation states engaging in black hat activities.
I also reject the notion of companies having higher jurisdiction on data than governments.
There's no such thing as data safety, and if a sufficiently determined secret service wants your data, they'll have it.
I'd rather such things pass by normal warrant processes than nation states engaging in black hat activities.
I also reject the notion of companies having higher jurisdiction on data than governments.
I don't use iPhones (can't stand iOS), but this is one thing I fully support Apple on.
Their stance on this is 100% right.
The government is using the fact that people are,
A) Scared of terrorists
B) Dumb as hell about technology and how it works
to scare people into giving up their rights and privacy.
Their stance on this is 100% right.
The government is using the fact that people are,
A) Scared of terrorists
B) Dumb as hell about technology and how it works
to scare people into giving up their rights and privacy.
It's threads like these that make me want to switch to iPhone having never owned an Apple product before.
The whole thing is stupid. If Apple builds backdoors for the US government into their phones, then people who don't want the US government to have access to their phones just won't buy from Apple, or will use an additional layer of encryption.
What the FBI/NSA are really looking for isn't just to get into a couple of phones, they want an easy way to get into ANY phone. If they get an easy backdoor, they'll be using it for a lot more than just terrorists.
If they really want to access the data on these couple of terrorist phones, it's already possible to do by disassembly.
What the FBI/NSA are really looking for isn't just to get into a couple of phones, they want an easy way to get into ANY phone. If they get an easy backdoor, they'll be using it for a lot more than just terrorists.
If they really want to access the data on these couple of terrorist phones, it's already possible to do by disassembly.
As we've seen from the government basically begging Apple to add a backdoor, this is clearly untrue. If they already had a backdoor, they wouldn't need to plead with a corporation to unlock these phones.
Not always, and obviously not government-wide.
But there's always a vulnerability.
How long do you think Heartbleed was in the know for major intelligence players before somebody made it public?
Secret service gets it's intelligence. It's street-level enforcement that's left out.
They were able to use an exploit that Apple has since patched.
It is literally impossible to restrict such a thing to only "special situations" or "certain people".
I would only hope that, in whatever dystopian future this happens in, the people who advocated the hardest for it are the first to get their phones hacked and dumped to the internet for everyone to see.
I would only hope that, in whatever dystopian future this happens in, the people who advocated the hardest for it are the first to get their phones hacked and dumped to the internet for everyone to see.
If they have physical access to the phone, they can do it. It may be a slow and expensive process that includes taking chips apart and using microscopes and various other physical inspection techniques but they could do it (or probably just contract it out to someone who can)
That's a HARD NO from me. Once encryption is broken, or a backdoor is made, it's susceptible to all kinds of abuse and misuse. No. No. NO.
I, for one, would completely trust Donald Trump to use such a backdoor in a prudent and judicious way, involving careful reasoning and long term strategic thinking, with great regard for the personal freedoms and privacy of private citizens from all countries. Don't you?
That can happen, however, there is sometimes a way and sometimes not. A lot of chips are hardened against this type of attacks (physical inspection) and various side channel attacks. The easiest way is usually to use a software zero day/private exploit. Those are really expensive, sometimes patchable sometimes not. And Apple devices really have a reduced attack surface when the phone is unlocked. It is getting incredibly difficult to hack a phone (or another embedded device really).
The article you're referencing is over 20 years old and the vast majority of it is no longer applicable to what's used in modern devices.
If this worked on modern phones, there'd be a public market for it. There isn't, at least for iPhones.
