I don't know how I made it through SMTIV without noticing Master Therion's bits. What in the world?
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I thought it was kind of odd even when they had the past protagonist DLC in Apocalypse they were limited to a single trial stage rather than actually joining as guest party members. They even had new illustrations for them by Doi just for that.
Nope. Devil Survivor Overclocked fixes some design issues of the base game even before you get to the new story content. The only issue it has is that only 3 routes get the new 8th day content, rather than every single one.
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Oh yeah Megami Tensei through Shin Megami Tensei If are loaded with those designs, which I do feel is kind of appropriate given the association of demons with desires, and how the demon designs back then were really primal and violent as opposed to the more designed look they've gotten since Devil Summoner.
One of the demons from Devil Summoner, Rahu, is literally just a head on a plate with a giant dick coming out of it. When the game was re-released on PSP it was changed to a knife.
I don't know why it's there, from reading about the mythological Rahu he didn't have anything to do with dicks.
Haven't gotten to watch the Arioch video yet but holy shit @ the gif. In SMTIV they had elemental death animations (freeze and shatter, burn, blow away, bullet holes, etc.) but they were 2d sprites. This looks incredible in 3D and once again shows the decision to have less demons than the IV duology, but have them a hell of a lot more animated, was the right one.
While it's not really indication, the trailer that was at the Switch conference in 2017 had Thor in that group of demons using his most well known design, the one used in Nocturne and the other PS2-era games. If I remember correctly, BDSM Angel was not in that group in that trailer.
In the IV duology they used this Thor:
Nocturne Thor is in the Demon group shot on the Japanese website.
Devil Survivor probably has stronger routes because the story is more personal and everyone involved is part of a tightly knit group of friends so there's actually a lot of overlapping and interweaving going on, with some characters supporting you and others being upset that they have to oppose you. It was actually very clever to have characters leaving or joining your party depending on the route you chose.
There's that one wearing suit made out of breasts who's name I forget. SMT covers all the bases, man.
You guys would be surprised how many of Kaneko's designs are entirely mythologically accurate
You guys would be surprised how many of Kaneko's designs are entirely mythologically accurate
To be fair, there's a difference between a statue showing a deity with a lot of ... chest, and a design of said deity with a "boob hat", "boob shoulderpads" ... and "boob kneecap protectors". ^^
Yep, although I love that they can also be odd takes on the accuracy.
You guys would be surprised how many of Kaneko's designs are entirely mythologically accurate
Arioch normally doesn't have anything to do with vaginas, but it's because he's known as "fierce lion". Lion = cat = pussy
Other than the mobile game, this is the first time we have had Arioch in 3D, right? I didn't play P5 Royal but I'm fairly certain he wasn't in the base P5.
Whilst on that subject, look at Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei's (Megami Tensei 2 remake's specifically) rendition of Artemis (later used as Maya's Persona with a complete redesign by Kaneko):
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i'm almost certain the nippleless version is used in the Japanese 3/DS versions as well
Really? I thought it was the nipple version in the JP version of those games.
Top Ten Genital Demons in Shin Megami Tensei
Kazuma Kaneko.Kazuma Kaneko, the main artist behind the Megami Tensei franchise, is known for his unique and often provocative designs for the literal
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lol.
Huh, I never noticed Artemis in Kyuuyaku; I think that the backup replacement deities don't even appear if you manage to stick all the way to picking up Lucifer?
That list needs more Cthulhu. Hell, the series needs a return of Cthulhu.
That list needs more Cthulhu. Hell, the series needs a return of Cthulhu.
I saw this little analysis of our current knowledge about SMTV's plot while looking through the Megaten subreddit. There's some interesting stuff here; I'll leave it spoiler tagged in-case anyone wants to go in truly blind.
Just saw this as well on Reddit and was going to post it. Pretty good stuff and some really cool possibilities.I saw this little analysis of our current knowledge about SMTV's plot while looking through the Megaten subreddit. There's some interesting stuff here; I'll leave it spoiler tagged in-case anyone wants to go in truly blind.
This is really neat and makes a lot of sense. I like the sound of it.I saw this little analysis of our current knowledge about SMTV's plot while looking through the Megaten subreddit. There's some interesting stuff here; I'll leave it spoiler tagged in-case anyone wants to go in truly blind.
Somehow I never looked at Ometeotl long enough to realize just how much was going on thereTop Ten Genital Demons in Shin Megami Tensei
Kazuma Kaneko.Kazuma Kaneko, the main artist behind the Megami Tensei franchise, is known for his unique and often provocative designs for the literal
lol.
I like that bit about "a man being reborn as 'more beautiful than a woman' is a symbol of purity and godliness and makes one closer to the divine" because it explains some of the protagonist's design that had previously felt sort of random.I saw this little analysis of our current knowledge about SMTV's plot while looking through the Megaten subreddit. There's some interesting stuff here; I'll leave it spoiler tagged in-case anyone wants to go in truly blind.
I saw this little analysis of our current knowledge about SMTV's plot while looking through the Megaten subreddit. There's some interesting stuff here; I'll leave it spoiler tagged in-case anyone wants to go in truly blind.
Pretty good analysis
I had a feeling that the beautification of the protagonist is intentional. There's the refute that he's supposed to fit the bishounen archtype, but I don't think that's the case. The MC is way too feminine to be one and the androgynous design plays a symbolic role... (and Studio Maniax was like "fuck it, you can't date waifus, you can at least play as one")
SMT Law reps tend to be characterised with feminine features. Heck, the most beefy law rep ends up having six tits!
Nevermind, this doesn't look like it's actually the case. Would be cool though.
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Yooo are the death animations from IV back? That one demon that got hit with a bufu spell turned to ice and shattered. Loved those from IV, they actually got pretty brutal:
- Fatal gun attacks would have the enemy sprites have bloody bullet holes put in them
- Fatal slash attacks would literally split the enemy sprites in two like a samurai movie cinematic
- Fatal physical attacks caused the sprites to explode like meat balloons (nasty af once I realized what it was lol)
- Fatal agi spells saw the enemy sprites burned to a crisp
- Fatal bufu spells, as aforementioned, would have the enemy freeze solid and shatter
- Fatal zio spells would electrify and char enemies
- Fatal zan spells would have them fly away (hilarious in motion)
- Fatal Megido spells would disintegrate enemies Thanos style.
I think there was a cut between those 2 shots in the video. It'd be a cool change but I don't think thats the case
Not necessarily. I don't notice any changes in HP to those Ose or HP/MP of the rest of the party in between the turns that Arioch took, so I think that after Makajamaon, the rest of the party Passed to get back to Arioch. And we know from earlier that Passing got upgraded to converting the next full press turn to flashing.
Ok yeah, now that I think about it, that's probably what's going on.
Outside of the UI they really seem to be going all out with this game. So many cool details and features.
Yeah they do. I think for Digital Only games they release 12pm EST day of release. But for games that are both Physical/Digital they unlock at 12am EST/9pm PST.
I'm playing Nocturne right now and it gives you press turns for ailments if the demon you hit them with is explicitly weak to ailments. For instance, using sexy gaze (inflicts charm, a mind-type ailment) on demons weak to mind ailments would give you a half turn. I don't recall it doing that in IV, but it could be that they are bringing that mechanic back from Nocturne.
Hmm likely just a demon susceptible to status ailments which has been a thing
True, but there was no indication that Ose was weak to it, hence why I thought there might be something else going on. But as others have pointed out, they probably just cut footage of them passing the turn back to Arioch... converting three full turns to half-turns would actually be bad anyway, so I was definitely mistaken.
I'm not convinced that it's Law-oriented, though. (Or definitely not in the Messianic sense.)
It definitely feels like we're thrust in the middle of the Angel vs. Demon conflict. At the very least, we definitely don't seem to be on God's side as a "condemned being". So I guess we're in league with the deities who were victims of something called "The Condemnation", or the ones who represent something more primordial/abstract (on Team Blue).
I do agree that the MC is thrust into the war between Angels and Demons, but law doesn't need to be exclusive to Abrahamic religions.
The Nahobino could be defaulted as a law-aligned Shinto representative, and as he is the MC, it doesn't mean he'll go down that route. Sort of like Aleph in SMT II, and that game is very law themed.
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Yeah, I just mean the main way Law has tended to be represented recently. I'm kind of hoping for something that eschews alignments all together, or at least does something very different with it (at least with how it deals with the Nahobino). Though the alignments are kind of a mess in general and end up being two sides of the same coin.
Hahaha. I seriously think Kaneko just decided sometimes that it's "time for another phallic demon" randomly.
Whole heartedly agree. On a positive note, it does seem like SMT V will shake it up. Reasons might return or offered something else entirely.
I still think that the Shinto Priestess is chaos and the Egyptian God is neutral. But it's possible that it could be the other way round.
In SJR's cover art:
It's very subtle but the direction of their gaze indicate their alignment. Jimenez gazes downwards, Zelenin looks above and Gore stare point blank at us.
Their placement is also on opposite sides of each other, while the woman in red and Gore are more in the middle.
I still think that the Shinto Priestess is chaos and the Egyptian God is neutral. But it's possible that it could be the other way round.
In SJR's cover art:
It's very subtle but the direction of their gaze indicate their alignment. Jimenez gazes downwards, Zelenin looks above and Gore stare point blank at us.
IV also has chaos and law on the left and right (but no neutral unless you count Flynn, in the middle).