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SolidSnakex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,382
It's definitely not stated at all, I'm just drawing a connection with a common issue re: wage disparity where people can't afford the goods they produce. I'm stretching that assumption here, on the grounds that you might assume a dev workforce is likely to have recent consoles.

Why would you make that assumption for a console that's well known for being hard to acquire? I doubt there's a way for company employees to have good access to getting one unless they actually work at PS Studios.
 

soulmatic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,669
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
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Gestault

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,366
Why would you make that assumption for a console that's well known for being hard to acquire? I doubt there's a way for company employees to have good access to getting one unless they actually work at PS Studios.

My original post was about the discomfort I have with a workplace structure where one person at the top is given so much excess income that they can make an expensive gift to everyone in the company. The circumstances become even more uncomfortable when individual employees can't buy their own console (whether for practical or financial reasons), but again, one person has the connections to buy a large quantity of them.

I said this previously, but this is being postured as an individual gift from the CEO, not from the company. There's a difference between a company having resources and sharing them with informal benefits to employees, vs. a CEO having a disgusting amount of the company income funneled to them, and then making gestures that lionize them for their charity to the workforce. It's a situation where there's a disconnect between workers and their earnings (because a CEO is given their earnings), compounded by a hardware shortage. And exactly as you describe, the result unfortunately resembles the classic issue of workers not being able to buy/use what they produce.
 

Arex

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,501
Indonesia
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
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Damn that's some very nice studios lol
 

Aiqops

Member
Aug 3, 2021
13,888
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
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00__KMS2901.png

00__KMS2961.png

Damn those are some fancy offices.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,499
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
00__KMS2875.png

00__KMS2901.png

00__KMS2961.png
Damn! That's a quite nice office.
 

Kyuur

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,535
Canada
My original post was about the discomfort I have with a workplace structure where one person at the top is given so much excess income that they can make an expensive gift to everyone in the company. The circumstances become even more uncomfortable when individual employees can't buy their own console (whether for practical or financial reasons), but again, one person has the connections to buy a large quantity of them.

I said this previously, but this is being postured as an individual gift from the CEO, not from the company. It's a situation where there's a disconnect between workers and their earnings (because a CEO is given their earnings), compounded by the availability. And the result is unfortunately the classic issue of workers not being able to buy/use what they produce.

It's all pretty speculative. Given that the company is producing a large-budget console game where their previous projects were mobile games, I would be willing to bet that at least 50-75% of the staff there probably wasn't around to work on anything that actually profited the company yet.
 

Kinthey

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
22,320
My original post was about the discomfort I have with a workplace structure where one person at the top is given so much excess income that they can make an expensive gift to everyone in the company. The circumstances become even more uncomfortable when individual employees can't buy their own console (whether for practical or financial reasons), but again, one person has the connections to buy a large quantity of them.

I said this previously, but this is being postured as an individual gift from the CEO, not from the company. There's a difference between a company having resources and sharing them with informal benefits to employees, vs. a CEO having a disgusting amount of the company income funneled to them, and then making gestures that lionize them for their charity to the workforce. It's a situation where there's a disconnect between workers and their earnings (because a CEO is given their earnings), compounded by a hardware shortage. And exactly as you describe, the result unfortunately resembles the classic issue of workers not being able to buy/use what they produce.
Feels like a pretty huge difference to me whether those reasons are practical or financial. One suggests they get paid so little they can't buy the product they're making, the other one is simply that a CEO will have connections to the people he's been negotiating a platform deal with.
 

Deleted member 46804

User requested account closure
Banned
Aug 17, 2018
4,129
My original post was about the discomfort I have with a workplace structure where one person at the top is given so much excess income that they can make an expensive gift to everyone in the company. The circumstances become even more uncomfortable when individual employees can't buy their own console (whether for practical or financial reasons), but again, one person has the connections to buy a large quantity of them.

I said this previously, but this is being postured as an individual gift from the CEO, not from the company. There's a difference between a company having resources and sharing them with informal benefits to employees, vs. a CEO having a disgusting amount of the company income funneled to them, and then making gestures that lionize them for their charity to the workforce. It's a situation where there's a disconnect between workers and their earnings (because a CEO is given their earnings), compounded by a hardware shortage. And exactly as you describe, the result unfortunately resembles the classic issue of workers not being able to buy/use what they produce.
I'm sure the employees have the income to purchase one. Acting like the CEO getting access to the consoles because he works with Sony being a problem is weird. Also yes there's a giant income disparity between an employee and the CEO. Welcome to the corporate world. That's a completely separate problem.
 

werezompire

Zeboyd Games
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
11,372
So if you want to nab a PS5 you only need to make a game with high quality visuals for the PS5. Easy.

When we were making Cosmic Star Heroine (a Sony Indie Pub fund game), they sent me a PS4 that arrived the day before the system's official launch day. Was very nice, especially since I didn't really have the disposable income to justify buying the system myself at the time.
 

Dan Thunder

Member
Nov 2, 2017
14,048

The CEO said that he chose PS5's as the surprise gift so that all employees can play the game when it comes out.
Employee who's spent 3-4 years working on the game looking up to see the reward is a way to play the game:

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Joking aside it is a nice gesture.
 

Jade1962

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,259
I'm saying I think the parasitism in the pay structure for CEOs vs actual workers is bad, and that you don't care, based on your saying that you don't care. Where's the assumption? If you're saying you do think that's bad, then say it.

And my assumption that this is being postured as a personal gesture rather than a perk from the company comes down to "Hyung-Tae Kim celebrated the successful showing of Project Eve at the PlayStation showcase by purchasing a PS5 for each of his 260 staff." There's a difference between saying [a person bought them for his staff] vs saying they're [a gift from the company] or something to that effect.

ERA in a nutshell right here.
 

Gestault

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,366
It's all pretty speculative. Given that the company is producing a large-budget console game where their previous projects were mobile games, I would be willing to bet that at least 50-75% of the staff there probably wasn't around to work on anything that actually profited the company yet.

Ironically, you're diving pretty deep into speculation there, yourself :P (but also, good point re: this potentially being about new hires)

My complaint is more structural (hence why I'd argue "practical or financial" doesn't matter when the result is the same when it comes to workforce access to goods). Just for context, I'm someone who thinks "professional philanthropists" are a social ill; I think high-profile philanthropy is used to prop up systems that parasites at the top benefit from, to prevent people from actually addressing the kind of income inequality that makes a more stable society impossible. The fact of the amount of resources spent on PR sharing how "magnanimous" the acts are should be a huge tell, re: intention. So my criticism re: the thread topic is through that lens.

ERA in a nutshell right here.

Era is socialist confirmed, lol
 
Nov 27, 2017
30,109
California
I wish they pushed making connections into my brain from a young age
Connections is what gets you through life
Cool gesture though, getting one PS5 without a bot is like winning a marathon now
 

Desi

Member
Oct 30, 2017
4,210
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
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looks like a lounge. something I find at Soho House.

Wonder if the lighting is any good, like if more companies should use something like this which is a lot less bright.
 

Jade1962

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,259
Ironically, you're diving pretty deep into speculation there, yourself :P (but also, good point re: this potentially being about new hires)

My complaint is more structural (hence why I'd argue "practical or financial" doesn't matter when the result is the same when it comes to workforce access to goods). Just for context, I'm someone who thinks "professional philanthropists" are a social ill; I think high-profile philanthropy is used to prop up systems that parasites at the top benefit from, to prevent people from actually addressing the kind of income inequality that makes a more stable society impossible. The fact of the amount of resources spent on PR sharing how "magnanimous" the acts are should be a huge tell, re: intention. So my criticism re: the thread topic is through that lens.



Era is socialist confirmed, lol

I wish lol. And I totally get what your saying and agree with the basis of your complaint about CEO pay but sometimes a simple story should just be that. It's like are we really complaining about a CEO giving his employees free PS5s? Just seems like this forum is all about finding the negative angle to everything.
 

Ocean

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,691
I'm someone who thinks the stark divide between pay for workers vs CEOs at many companies can be an actual injustice.
I genuinely don't have a clue how you can arrive at this conclusion. I get the argument when it's tax-funded wage distributions, which is why you don't see the director of the FBI earning millions a year for example (despite having responsibilities similar to those of a Fortune 500 CEO).

But corporations? Ownership (whether it's a private company, or a publicly traded one via board members) has 100% flexibility to pay their executives however much they want. It's their money.

If I start a company in the future and it's very successful, I can't conceive of a proper argument that would limit how much I chose to pay whoever is running the place.
 

Neuromancer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,760
Baltimore
If someone did this for me in a game development workplace, both in terms of that person's income *and* special access to that volume of otherwise unavailable hardware, I'd have some pretty strong negative feelings about them, and how the company divides its earnings.

This is one of those things that sounds positive until you actually think about it.
I'm pretty sure these would have been bought with company money. Like giveaways at Christmas parties etc.
 

Gestault

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,366
I'm pretty sure these would have been bought with company money. Like giveaways at Christmas parties etc.

I'm hoping that's the case, I've half been waiting on some clarification. My contention basically stems from it being (or at least being postured as) a personal gift, rather than a company perk.
 
Oct 27, 2017
39,148
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
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Damn

That's a pretty nice looking studio
 

Jarmel

The Jackrabbit Always Wins
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,336
New York
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
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wtf?????

How do they have that much money?
 

Deleted member 10014

User requested account closure
Banned
Jul 11, 2021
382
If someone did this for me in a game development workplace, both in terms of that person's income *and* special access to that volume of otherwise unavailable hardware, I'd have some pretty strong negative feelings about them, and how the company divides its earnings.

This is one of those things that sounds positive until you actually think about it.

He owns the studio right?

He gave his staff a gift right?

On top of what they get paid as a salary right?

Have you got any other info?
 

soulmatic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,669
wtf?????

How do they have that much money?
Mobile money:
"Shiftup's Publisher Summary -

Total Shiftup mobile app revenue in August 2021 was $700k, including $100k for iOS apps and $600k for Android apps. Total mobile app downloads for Shiftup was 20k, including 6k iOS app downloads and 10k Android app downloads. Shiftup has a total of 9 apps, including 4 iOS apps, and 5 Android apps. Their top grossing app last month was 데스티니 차일드 and their most downloaded app was Destiny Child."
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JCal

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,351
Los Alfheim
The game looks good and the SoP trailer definitely put the game on the map, so yeah. Appreciate those peeps; appreciate them hard!
 
Oct 28, 2017
27,119
www.theloadout.com

Project EVE CEO spends $140k buying PS5’s for his workforce after the reveal

Hyung-Tae Kim celebrates the studio's reveal of the game by buying everyone Sony's latest console

"First reported by industry analyst Daniel Ahmad on Twitter, this news is one of the most wholesome CEO stories in quite some time and, shows how much Kim values each of his employees.

To put this generous move into context, a PS5 in South Korea costs 628,000 won (that's approximately $540), so Kim has just spent 162,280,000 won ($140,400) on equipping his workforce with new generation gaming machines."

Btw anyone curious this is what their Studio set up is like:
First Child Studio
AproSquare-4F_1-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_6-scaled.jpg

AproSquare-4F_5-scaled.jpg

ESTIMATE-Studio-02-%EB%B3%B4%EC%A0%95-scaled.jpg

Second Eve Studio
00__KMS2875.png

00__KMS2901.png

00__KMS2961.png




Well DAMN !