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Shenmue Is The Waterworld Of Videogames (The Jimquisition)
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huh, little surprised honestly, figured he would've relished the chance to do so.
I remember being fascinated with it back then when it was new. Seeing those live demos in stores were kinda jaw-dropping for its time because of the sheer attention to detail. But in hindsight, I am glad I didn't buy a Dreamcast for this game. Because the actual game is really, really boring as I learned later. And Shenmue 3 looks like a game made in the late 90s following exactly what made the old games so tedious and boring to play. Which is all the fans wanted, so I am glad for them.
Yes, it is. But it's also extremely slow paced, has clunky controls, doesn't really have a lot of traditionally engaging gameplay, and features an incredibly poor English-Language dub, which makes it an easy mark 15+ years later. But for some reason some of us really, really love it. It's bizarre Sega spent so much money on it considering what it ended up being, but I'm glad they did.
This is almost as unsubstantiated as Jim's twitter rant about "Games are bigger on purpose so they take more space on your hard-drive which forces out competition" which is some conspiracy theory level nonsense.
He mentions it near the end? How Yakuza basically evolved and Shenmue is "obsolete".
This is one of Jim's poorest videos. So much misinformation and plain hating.
I have to wonder why people who dislike this series continously go out their way to crap on it or try to make it look bad. I mean who does that anyway and why? Seems petty and a waste of time
I have to wonder why people who dislike this series continously go out their way to crap on it or try to make it look bad. I mean who does that anyway and why? Seems petty and a waste of time
Well, this was a long rant and I'm not sure what the point was. Should've watched an episode of She-Ra instead.
Outside of 'not getting' Shenmue, there is not really anything controversial to talk about if you are not already a fan. Fans like it, others don't get it, life goes on. There is nothing that Shenmue does that affects other games badly in some way.
Outside of 'not getting' Shenmue, there is not really anything controversial to talk about if you are not already a fan. Fans like it, others don't get it, life goes on. There is nothing that Shenmue does that affects other games badly in some way.
I only watched a playthrough of the first Shemue and it looked like an incomprehensibly boring game with nothing going on but people love it. I don't think anybody loves Waterworld.
Also, if it brings some people joy who cares? I don't really care for "this thing that has literally no negative impact on anything suuuuucks" videos even if I couldn't care less about Shenmue. Especially when it's niche as hell. It's like if I made a video about how much Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of Underdark sucks.
Also, if it brings some people joy who cares? I don't really care for "this thing that has literally no negative impact on anything suuuuucks" videos even if I couldn't care less about Shenmue. Especially when it's niche as hell. It's like if I made a video about how much Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of Underdark sucks.
He reeeeally hates Shenmue and has to make sure that everyone knows it.
A feel-good story in which something borderline miraculous happened and a franchise got revived after 14 years of being dead? Oh no, got to spin that into a negative somehow.
Ah so he does continue to spew that, misses the point of both series.
Ah, I would have guessed that he'd go with the tried-and-true "Shenmue is Yakuza without any of the fun," but okay, he went a different route here.
Terrific. Nothing worse than him peddling that moronic, shitty view. I like some of his stuff but he really needs to shut up if he's gonna just talk out of his ass on this one... As if he'd actually wanted to do a fair comparison of the games, he'd realise they are not similar outside of some superficial differences...
I think his angle is Ys Net misspent people's money and the usual EGS stuff being bad, so he feels like he's taking an honorable stand or whatever against this unpopular series.
So I'm not a film buff, but saying that Waterworld lost $90M the year it came out, then eked out a ~4% "profit" over the course of eighteen years doesn't make it sound very successful.
Jim hates Shenmue and Shenmue fans and it's well documented, so he's been frothing at the mouth waiting to make this video. Even though main sales data isn't available he would have used anything to justify his hate for the game and how it has failed. Even in the face of half decent reviews (70 OC/MC is as much as anyone expected and hoped for) and fans being pleased with the game he somehow makes up lies to justify his hate for it. His ultimate goal is to annoy Shenmue fans and find content for another Shenmue "Comentocracy" video like he did last year.
No, it came out in a recent interview with IGN Japan that the budget totaled around $12 million. Less than either Shenmue I or II and most modern games.
This was an amusing video. I can't disagree with anything said, after all, much of it was objective analysis and after playing Shenmue last year, I put off playing II indefinitely. I was not impressed to put it lightly.
I would like to add a couple things though. While the analysis is largely objective I feel it runs too close to cynicism, which is certainly how fans will interpret the clout given to it's cost versus the value. Regardless of how the first game failed to grab me, I find the lack of 'evolution' charming. Rather it be down to Yu Suzuki's inability or unwillingess to compromise on what he or his fans want, that strikes a chord with me. These are value judgments that could easily be as immaterial to others as the dollar cost is to me.
I've been mulling over trying the series again with Shenmue II. I find the world, characters and idiosyncratic limitations of either to be uniquely charming. I just despised the pacing of it all in the first game. Not to be contrarian but much of what is displayed here of Shenmue III actually made me more interested to start Shenmue II on the way to III although I'm given pause by the claim of another cliff hanger at the end of III given the series' uh, uncertain future.
Good and funny video with lots of context I didn't have with the series.
I would like to add a couple things though. While the analysis is largely objective I feel it runs too close to cynicism, which is certainly how fans will interpret the clout given to it's cost versus the value. Regardless of how the first game failed to grab me, I find the lack of 'evolution' charming. Rather it be down to Yu Suzuki's inability or unwillingess to compromise on what he or his fans want, that strikes a chord with me. These are value judgments that could easily be as immaterial to others as the dollar cost is to me.
I've been mulling over trying the series again with Shenmue II. I find the world, characters and idiosyncratic limitations of either to be uniquely charming. I just despised the pacing of it all in the first game. Not to be contrarian but much of what is displayed here of Shenmue III actually made me more interested to start Shenmue II on the way to III although I'm given pause by the claim of another cliff hanger at the end of III given the series' uh, uncertain future.
Good and funny video with lots of context I didn't have with the series.
Punching down on a game published by THQ Nordic (Deep Silver). That's a take.
I usually like Jim, but he's just being an asshole here. Shenmue III is exactly what he should be praising: skilled developers with a vision getting to ignore market trends and AAA budgets and just make a solid damn game that fans specifically ask for. It's the same thing as Bloodstained. Complaining that the games haven't evolved with the times is ridiculous when that's exactly what they're designed to not do. People wanted another Dreamcast Shenmue, people wanted another Symphony of the Night. That's what we got. All the naysayers who didn't even care for the games to begin with? They can just fuck off.
That gotta be one of the most hilariously sad things to happen to Shenmue.
You need to reread the definition of objective analysis. This video is absolutely slathered in Jim's subjective view on Shenmue.
Honestly I am confused by this series When Shenmue III was announced I somehow thought it would be a big thing. The fact publisher couldn't afford funding it and all, I thought it would be big and ambitious. Instead, we got a title with outdated graphics and mechanics.
Even if Yakuza is superior to Shenmue, I'm not sure why the argument becomes: Shenmue shouldn't exist. Can't two games in similar genres exist at the same time? Why does the idea an "inferior Yakuza shouldn't exist" become the fact?
The first two games were the most expensive games of all time and it took them 15+ years to find anyone to find the third game—for much less money. Many of the mechanics are not necessarily outdated but by design.
Not really. Shenmue's importance is largely exaggerated by its fans.
I guess all the developers who think the same must be exaggerating too.
And all of the critics and writers and game designers who cite its influence.
For the Shenmue III portions of the video Jim discusses the money the game generated from crowdfunding/the Epic Games deal/etc... along with delays for added features and ideas vs the final product/overall reception.
I am just saying why does one game's existence negate the others, even if one is supposedly better than the other? I don't see that logic being applied to the thousands of RPGs or action games released every year.
it's just more people shitting on Shenmue and glossing over minor surface similarities between the two franchises.
It's annoyingly disappointing that Jim would perpetuate that and not look into their actual differences and what makes them unique...then again, his aforementioned hatred probably doesn't allow it.
And he's wrong about a lot of stuff (read my first message in this topic).
it's because i was sold a bill of goods with shenmue
i was promised combat and all i got was some nerd who wanted to pet cats and play lucky hit
I totally agree with him lol
I just had a conversation about this with a friend literally 3 days ago. I get it, it's niche but come on. It's like a Dreamcast game with a fresh paint of coat. And I originally backed this too.
I don't wish failure but expected this to be a lot more modern and that's not getting into how incomplete the story progression is even after this.
I just had a conversation about this with a friend literally 3 days ago. I get it, it's niche but come on. It's like a Dreamcast game with a fresh paint of coat. And I originally backed this too.
I don't wish failure but expected this to be a lot more modern and that's not getting into how incomplete the story progression is even after this.
Thanks to Gamepass I got to play shenmue 1 and 2 and realized I wasn't missing anything. Games are not enjoyable imo
Of course not, individuals are inspired and influenced by all sorts, Shenmue is in that bucket and is definitely among the games that devs pull from.
I just meant more this kind of thing is an exaggeration that keeps coming up:
Shenmue did not "make open world a thing" that's just nonsense but it's the kind of weird myth that gets perpetuated by fans and sometimes by devs (like in this situation.)
I clearly stated that the balance of cost versus value analysis was lop sided. The first being objective and the latter subjective. A large part of the video was dealing with the budgets and financial failures, objective thing.
Those objective valuations can also be 'wrong' and as someone who has no prior information of the series I'm seeing some contradictions to his claims there but that's different than not knowing the definitions of the words involved.