Consider this, Deep Silver: give me a Steam key or my money back.
There is no planet on which I'll redeem an Epic store key.
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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]
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There is no planet on which I'll redeem an Epic store key.
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Another good get by the Epic Store. They seem to be building up steam.
Well, I switched to the PS4 version. I figured I'd probably buy it eventually, but I guess I'll start with that version and eventually get the steam version.
No, that's not true. They allow you to generate keys and sell them anywhere without using the Steam store.
You can 100% use all of Steam's features for free without selling your game on their store.
IIRC there used to be a FAQ page that explained it better, but even here there is no mention of having to use the Steam store to use keys: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys
Not to mention I've had a few games activated on Steam that did not have store pages.
The Kickstarter and other social media sites are covered in messages like wishing Suzuki would commit seppuku or contract bone cancer, as well as lots of comments about how they're going to gleefully steal the game. I think that disclaimer on top of whatever that site is is fair. I certainly hope some of you aren't saying that type of talk is acceptable and it's up to the team to give people reason to change the discourse. These situations end up just bringing out the ugliest in people, unfortunately. The pendulum ends up swinging back and making me feel less sympathetic.
Ain't that the truth.
I've only KS'd a handful of games. Torment, the 50th Anniversary Nuclear War card game, the glorious Cultist Simulator from Weather Factory, but this has certainly put a damper on any and all enthusiasm I've had for KS as a platform. I was all set to back Weather Factory's sophomore game, "Book of Hours", but now I don't know.
I heard about this, The whole ordeal it's a bad decision and it's not acceptable regarding EGS but does that make it OK wishing someone die of bone cancer or telling people to kill themselves... These kind of people are what's wrong with the world.
If people are that invested in a game and in a hobby that much to wish a horrible death on someone wow... Get a grip.
Fun fact: one of the NBA 2k games was only sold through physical retail that activated on Steam. It never was up on the store.
Lack of refunds makes sense. This isn't like canceling a console or handheld platform; if you chose PC there is no new barrier to you playing the game you paid for. I doubt they'll change their minds since this is probably the publisher trying to recoup some cost on the project.
I'm surprised d there isn't a civil lawsuit about this. I know KS is pretty janky with promises but it did clearly star on the page that the game was releasing on steam and it was one of the backing options.
What's to stop people suing them for shit like this?
What's to stop people suing them for shit like this?
A lot of people on the project page comments are claiming that's the route they'll go if they don't get a steam key or a refund.
Yeah, I think that should be a valuable option but knowing Kickstarter its got some loopholes in the terms or service when backing a project. If anything this is only gonna hurt future indie titles. I know after getting burnt by Might 9 I've yet to back any other game.
Why do you assume he had anything to do with this? Isn't he just a developer and not the publisher?
What cost? Please explain the actual costs if you are going to propose theories like this.
All I see is a publisher with a history of this, wanting MORE money
Did you read the staff post about All their previous communications?
Because this sounds a thinly veiled "it's just another launcher lol"
That's good to hear, I'm not a big fan of false advertising on KS, kinda glad I did not back it.
Here is the UK address for Deep Silver to point them towards:
Koch Media Ltd.
2nd Floor, Building 1230 Waterside
Arlington Business Park
Theale, Reading
RG7 4SA
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 1183 345 700
Email: [email protected]
It would be very heartening to see them succeed in their case should they have to sue. Would nip a lot of this type of crap in the bud going forward (though I assume a case like that would take awhile)
Ugh this whole situation reeks and just as I was getting into Shenmue HD to get hype for 3. I just wanted to be hype dangit!
I feel like the big issue here is a complete lack of transparency. I'd almost forgive the whole situation if Yu made a post to the effect of this offer has been presented by Epic and while the game is almost complete the funds we'd receive would keep the dev team afloat to start developing their next project. I'd endure EGS through gritted teeth if I knew the cost was the potential of Ys net living beyond Shenmue 3 and realizing some of the crazy prototypes Yu's worked on since he was sent to pasture by Sega.
As it stands with zero transparency we have no idea if the cash is just lining Deep Silver's pockets or what. That combined with the lol no refunds just makes me want to hit up ACCC out of spite ffs.
I feel like the big issue here is a complete lack of transparency. I'd almost forgive the whole situation if Yu made a post to the effect of this offer has been presented by Epic and while the game is almost complete the funds we'd receive would keep the dev team afloat to start developing their next project. I'd endure EGS through gritted teeth if I knew the cost was the potential of Ys net living beyond Shenmue 3 and realizing some of the crazy prototypes Yu's worked on since he was sent to pasture by Sega.
As it stands with zero transparency we have no idea if the cash is just lining Deep Silver's pockets or what. That combined with the lol no refunds just makes me want to hit up ACCC out of spite ffs.
maybe this is the thread that will teach people to read before making posts
one thing that EGS may achieve in the internet that is in fact good for everyone
one thing that EGS may achieve in the internet that is in fact good for everyone
Under the terms and conditions of Kickstarter applicable to the 2015 fundraising, it is very, very (!) difficult to bring a legal claim for refund (or really anything else). That's by design after Kickstarter was getting killed in the press under the more backer-friendly terms of 2012, and one reason that all backers should be cautious about the projects they choose to back under the current terms.
I posted a Virtual Legality episode on the topic. Feel free to share/post for anywhere folks might find it useful.
I posted a Virtual Legality episode on the topic. Feel free to share/post for anywhere folks might find it useful.
Well, its a graveyard
It's cool because i'm sick and tired of repeating the same arguments about "it's just a different launcher"
"they never promised anything" blah blah blah.
I would feel ashamed about my words and deeds if I got banned saying something that was already discussed to death
Uh, development costs?
Of course they want a better return. They didn't help fund Shenmue out of the goodness of their hearts.
Compared to other platform changes, it is just another launcher. If Vita or Wii U game backers were simply told they needed to take a couple of extra steps to make their game work I'm sure they'd be elated. I empathize with people who cared that it was on Steam but at the end of the day I don't really buy that it's a significant enough change to warrant a refund.
Shenmue 3 page on Steam has a release date.
Nov 19 2019.
Was that always the case or is that new? I thought they changed it to "Coming soon".
Nov 19 2019.
Was that always the case or is that new? I thought they changed it to "Coming soon".
Looks like this has been in works for sometime:
This is the EGS version of SteamDB? If so, this doesn't actually disprove that exclusivity wasn't a last minute pre-E3 deal. Deep Silver could easily have decided on a parallel Steam/EGS (and other stores?) release some months ago, updating the build on EGS as they would do on Steam to ensure version parity across both stores. Then decided on an exclusivity deal for some reason at some point before the reveal.
Hahaha nice.
I helped make this happen but I have to wait in the back of the line.
Its become clear to me that its deep silver who decided this when yu suzuki agreed without knowing the pc game community well. I think it may have caught him offguard and probably made him feel bad. I was harsh throughout the thread but I feel bad for yu suzuki
thousands of posts explaining why it's "not just another launcher" and a graveyard full of people who have come before you to try and argue that point, but you think you're going to be the special one who somehow makes that superficial argument coherent and avoid a ban, without ever reading what other people are saying.
Cool! You don't know anything.
And you admit you are trolling.
I feel no remorse for your banning or any warnings.
I dont follow you here. The game
Would still be available so how would not letting then use steam's backend, feature set, and tools Be proof of a monopoly? Thats not the definition of a monopoly.
PC physical was promised to be discs. Not a game code.
Yeah, they are getting sued at this rate.
Deep Silver say that they are looking into refunds
Also
"This is going to help with the development of Shenmue and ensure it's going to be the best Shenmue in over a decade."
Also
"This is going to help with the development of Shenmue and ensure it's going to be the best Shenmue in over a decade."
Uh, you didn't read:
"Update 2: Regarding the original quote on backer refunds, Deep Silver reached out to say this. "Deep Silver joined the project long after the Kickstarter was set up and
therefore isn't in a position to comment on the actions as we are not
involved in that side of the project."
For clarity, we've amended the headline and the original quote below. At this point, no discussion about backer refunds is taking place. Developer Ys Net is closely monitoring Kickstarter feedback.
Update: PR has reached out to add that "All questions regarding the Kickstarter campaign should be directed to [email protected]."
They are passing the buck. So no, Deep Silver ain't doing anything.
Maybe read more than just the url?
Look, if I ordered specifically for chicken noodle in a can, and what I get is chicken noddle in a bowl instead, I'll not be willing to pay, even if it's the same chicken noodle instead. Different people have different reasons on why they'd want things. The least a seller could do is actually give the buyer the things they ordered.
To be clear, I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that people say that key resellers existing are why steam's control of the pc market vs. EGS isn't one. I do think it's a dumb argument (in either direction) but I think it's funny that people are suggesting things that would actually undercut it.
Sheesh, have people like you not learned from other shitposters/apologists on this forum who have gotten banned for the same shit earlier?
Read the staff posts.
Well NOW that is bullshit. I now understand the Anger... =/
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