Considering your other troll posts weren't moderated, probably notwould you get moderated for doing the "square just shot themselves in the foot" thing
it's too tempting
urgh
Considering your other troll posts weren't moderated, probably notwould you get moderated for doing the "square just shot themselves in the foot" thing
it's too tempting
urgh
How can you discuss facts other than to say, yes, it's true, backers were offered a Steam physical copy or Steam digital copy?
- It's just another set of forums... oh wait."it's just another store" -> "it's just another launcher" -> "it's just another icon"
What's the next step on the list of trying to make the EGS seem as trivial as possible
Stop this shit. Kickstarter was ok back in 2015 when I pledged.
That's not the same thing. Epic Store and Steam can be downloaded for free. You can still play the game on the hardware you own (PC). PS4 and Xbox require a console purchase.
To me instead is exactly the game. Like when you opt for a GOG key instead of a Steam one.
I mean come on. This has nothing to do with people not knowing what a Kickstarter is, I've backed tonnes of games on Kickstarter. Some of them have failed, and you know what I'm fine with that. It happens, the difference here is the project didn't fail, they promised backers steam keys and now they've decided go go back on the people who helped fund them and not give what was promised. This was a deal they agreed to, and they knowingly screwed over their backers.It's definitely scummy, but I just mean people need to temper their expectations when it come to KS, it's not a pre-order, you might not be able to refund it, there's no guarantee the game will come out at all, the concept/direction may change during development, promised features may be missing because they miscalculated the budget, etc.
It's tossing cash down a wishing well. KS and the Dev/Pub shouldn't be lumped in together, and KS isn't EB Games either.
As much as I think that "hey, KS should regulate this stuff," KS exists to help people that probably *can't* get venture capital, so projects will inherently be more volatile, but that's what makes the potential for truly independent projects to thrive. If KS got more strict, then those people would be locked out of KS and would end up on some newer, less-restrictive platform anyway.
The point is, KS is a real Wild West and you need to do your research and roll the dice, and hope that whatever project you back doesn't go sideways. It's more about "hey, I like this Yu Suzuki guy, I want to give him money to realise his dream," than, "hey, I like this Shenmue game, I want to give it money to realise my dream."
Is this also sarcastic because umAnd the mods are giving this guy a warning and not the actual problem in these types of threads. Good to know where the mods stand I guess. Maybe Epic money is trickling down to places we aren't aware of? What a fucking joke.
That's not the same thing. Epic Store and Steam can be downloaded for free. You can still play the game on the hardware you own (PC). PS4 and Xbox require a console purchase.
It may be a dick move on Deep Silver's part but it's clearly not the same thing. Jumping console platforms would require $200+ on the consumer if they don't already own the hardware.
nah. i'm just done with crowd funding. haven't backed anything since shenmue 3 and most certainly won't now.
Isn't that how every other Kickstarter Epic exclusive has handled it? Steam for the backers, Epic for everyone else.
It's crazy how much some of you hate the epic launcher. I think it might speak to a larger problem within the "gaming community" as a whole but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I look at this as a positive and not a negative. Shenmue III is being made on a shoestring budget as it is. If You Suzuki wants to maximize profit on each game sold, then this is a smart move. Valve takes a 30% cut, Epic Games would also take a small percentage cut as well for using Unreal Engine 4. Epic Game Store only takes a 12% cut, plus there is an extra incentive with UE4 where they do not have to pay any royalties by selling the game on EGS.
Shenmue III isn't going to be the ending of the series. It is just chapter 3 on what will be more than likely a 4 chapter game series. If Yu Suzuki wants to get the ball rolling on Shenmue IV while funding his studio, it's not so bad that he wants to make as much money on each copy sold, as possible.
It's crazy how much some of you hate the epic launcher. I think it might speak to a larger problem within the "gaming community" as a whole but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Granted, it was 18 years ago, but I am honestly surprised I'm the first person to bring this up.
This was a big deal for Shenmue II when it came out. It was right as Sega was starting to tank on the Dreamcast.
Shenmue II came out in Japan AND Europe for the Dreamcast, but Microsoft paid Sega to make sure that Shenmue II only came out in the USA on the original Xbox.
This was a big deal. At the time people started finding ways to hack the game saves from Shenmue I on the VMU, by changing the region flag, so that you could import a European copy of Shenmue II to continue your save file.
You can search and find plenty of forums posts from nearly two decades ago of basically this kind of discussion.
"But Sega needed money! You wouldn't get it otherwise!"
"The Xbox is more powerful!"
It didn't matter that it meant everyone would need to buy new consoles to play this game they were anticipating. And it never materialized. Keep in mind, the European release meant the English dub and translation was working. There was nothing to lose by manufacturing it in the states, expect lost Xbox sales.
That's not the same thing. Epic Store and Steam can be downloaded for free. You can still play the game on the hardware you own (PC). PS4 and Xbox require a console purchase.
It may be a dick move on Deep Silver's part but it's clearly not the same thing. Jumping console platforms would require $200+ on the consumer if they don't already own the hardware.
I'd hate Valve so much if they'd do this.I want to see Valve open the warchest up and go to war with Epic. Who can have the most exclusives? Only time and large amounts of $$$ will tell.
We backed this in 2013. We backed it with the understanding there would be a physical PS4 and a physical Steam version and paid extra for that reward.Sounds like a Kickstarter game for sure.
Folks should seriously stop backing things on there. There's too little accountability.
I mean come on. This has nothing to do with people not knowing what a Kickstarter is, I've backed tonnes of games on Kickstarter. Some of them have failed, and you know what I'm fine with that. It happens, the difference here is the project didn't fail, they promised backers steam keys and now they've decided go go back on the people who helped fund them and not give what was promised. This was a deal they agreed to, and they knowingly screwed over their backers.
Furthermore you're still ignoring the fact people did specifically put money down for Steam copies. When I got sent my survey, we got the option to add to our pledge. They were offering a Steam copy. I paid an extra $29 to add that copy on.
I look at this as a positive and not a negative. Shenmue III is being made on a shoestring budget as it is. If You Suzuki wants to maximize profit on each game sold, then this is a smart move. Valve takes a 30% cut, Epic Games would also take a small percentage cut as well for using Unreal Engine 4. Epic Game Store only takes a 12% cut, plus there is an extra incentive with UE4 where they do not have to pay any royalties by selling the game on EGS.
Shenmue III isn't going to be the ending of the series. It is just chapter 3 on what will be more than likely a 4 chapter game series. If Yu Suzuki wants to get the ball rolling on Shenmue IV while funding his studio, it's not so bad that he wants to make as much money on each copy sold, as possible.
That's not acceptable and a really shitty way to dance around the issue. I'm relatively confident that if Kickstarter was ever taken to court about this, they would lose. When something is offered in exchange for money - it doesn't matter that it's called a "reward" - there should be some form of consumer protection in place. I honestly can't believe people are defending corporations pulling the rug out from under people.
The thing that is offered in exchange for money is the product's development, not the pledge rewards. Kickstarter is clear about that, both openly and in their terms of service. A lot of Kickstarters don't even offer the product as a reward, and they still get pledges, because the point is to get the product made.That's not acceptable and a really shitty way to dance around the issue. I'm relatively confident that if Kickstarter was ever taken to court about this, they would lose. When something is offered in exchange for money - it doesn't matter that it's called a "reward" - there should be some form of consumer protection in place. I honestly can't believe people are defending corporations pulling the rug out from under people.
They really screwed up. This whole fiasco has put a dent on anything about this project. What an absolute shitshow
Well let's make another example: you pre-order Cyberpunk via Humble for a GOG key and you receive an Epic key. But you paid for a GOG key. As I wrote, AFTER the kickstarter we filled an ORDER.It may be a dick move on Deep Silver's part but it's clearly not the same thing. Jumping console platforms would require $200+ on the consumer if they don't already own the hardware.
I mean, you honestly think the key going from Steam to EGS is equivalent to the key going from PS4 to Xbox One? You are that angry that you can't see the difference?
The thing that is offered in exchange for money is the product's development, not the pledge rewards. Kickstarter is clear about that, both openly and in their terms of service. A lot of Kickstarters don't even offer the product as a reward, and they still get pledges, because the point is to get the product made.
That's not the same thing. Epic Store and Steam can be downloaded for free. You can still play the game on the hardware you own (PC). PS4 and Xbox require a console purchase.
You do realise that EGS isn't out in every country right? Steam has the bigger userbase and is available in more countries. This is just a short term injection of money, the long game is on a platform like Steam. EGS is an inferior platform for the game to get traction on. Steam was the far better platform for Shenmue 3.
if Yu wanted to maximise the profit it would be on all the PC stores.
This is a case of deep silver wanting another lump sum, the 12% cut is almost negligible in comparison to the cash payout when you take into consideration the EGS smaller reach.