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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]
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Right? There's only so far these people can take contrarianism before it just gets silly. Deep Silver stuck the dagger in the back of the fans (those who backed the game) who opted for a Steam key. And they did it so close to release too. Imagine if it kept the original August release date! The Kickstarter update was also worded in an annoying way for backers too, I feel.
I look at this as a positive and not a negative. Shenmue III is being made on a shoestring budget as it is. If You Suzuki wants to maximize profit on each game sold, then this is a smart move. Valve takes a 30% cut, Epic Games would also take a small percentage cut as well for using Unreal Engine 4. Epic Game Store only takes a 12% cut, plus there is an extra incentive with UE4 where they do not have to pay any royalties by selling the game on EGS.
Shenmue III isn't going to be the ending of the series. It is just chapter 3 on what will be more than likely a 4 chapter game series. If Yu Suzuki wants to get the ball rolling on Shenmue IV while funding his studio, it's not so bad that he wants to make as much money on each copy sold, as possible.
Shenmue III isn't going to be the ending of the series. It is just chapter 3 on what will be more than likely a 4 chapter game series. If Yu Suzuki wants to get the ball rolling on Shenmue IV while funding his studio, it's not so bad that he wants to make as much money on each copy sold, as possible.
- It's just another set of forums... oh wait.
- It's just another big picture mode... oh wait.
- It's just another list of achievements... oh wait.
- It's just another place to have cloud saves... oh wait.
- It's just another place with a mod distribution system... oh wait.
- Etc.
Those who are coming here and posting those "it's just another store/launcher/icon" always mention only those three, but forget to mention everything else Steam does/has that EGS doesn't. It's really annoying tbh.
I have to see, but I'll probably try to get a refund. I didn't back it up while the kickstarter was up (since they didn't accept paypal back then). I backed it from shenmue 3's page when they allowed it a little bit later. So I suppose I'll have to go there.
This is such a shitty move, and It's sad to see Yu attached to all of this bullshit. Since I guess this was Deep Silver's decision and not his.
What a clusterfuck this all is.
I'm obviously not talking about people who backed this, just going forward from now.
It may be a dick move on Deep Silver's part but it's clearly not the same thing. Jumping console platforms would require $200+ on the consumer if they don't already own the hardware.
I mean come on. This has nothing to do with people not knowing what a Kickstarter is, I've backed tonnes of games on Kickstarter. Some of them have failed, and you know what I'm fine with that. It happens, the difference here is the project didn't fail, they promised backers steam keys and now they've decided go go back on the people who helped fund them and not give what was promised. This was a deal they agreed to, and they knowingly screwed over their backers.
Furthermore you're still ignoring the fact people did specifically put money down for Steam copies. When I got sent my survey, we got the option to add to our pledge. They were offering a Steam copy. I paid an extra $29 to add that copy on.
Sounds like a Kickstarter game for sure.
Folks should seriously stop backing things on there. There's too little accountability.
Also, this game has seemed like a mess since its inception. They kept showing so little any time there was an update, which is usually a sign that there's nothing worth showing, or that it'd be embarrasing to show. Now I understand. The mouths move but the faces are so stiff it's really jarring.
And it looks like they were showing us the best parts so far. Even the combat animations are weird because of how fast they move, while still looking stiff.
If I was a Steam backer I'd be pissed, though if I were any backer I'd have buyers remorse already, if I'm being honest.
Folks should seriously stop backing things on there. There's too little accountability.
Also, this game has seemed like a mess since its inception. They kept showing so little any time there was an update, which is usually a sign that there's nothing worth showing, or that it'd be embarrasing to show. Now I understand. The mouths move but the faces are so stiff it's really jarring.
And it looks like they were showing us the best parts so far. Even the combat animations are weird because of how fast they move, while still looking stiff.
If I was a Steam backer I'd be pissed, though if I were any backer I'd have buyers remorse already, if I'm being honest.
I hear you, I haven't been burned by my 15 or so backed games. But It definitely feels like a possibility now
What other games have done that? The devs behind Phoenix Point have promised Steam keys to the backers, but they will not be able to deliver them until after the exlusivity period, and have admitted to not knowing that even that was allowed until after they signed the deal.
Everyone defending this crap apparently forgot, just like MS did with the xbone and it cost them dearly, that customer good-will is a tangible thing with monetary value on it.
Basically we are just seeing all the devs that either arent aware of the mistakes or letting their 'dont give a fuck' flags fly right now. We already know Epic is just anti-consumer aggresive garbage these days.
Basically we are just seeing all the devs that either arent aware of the mistakes or letting their 'dont give a fuck' flags fly right now. We already know Epic is just anti-consumer aggresive garbage these days.
Lots of people in this thread defending Epic I never see in other PC gaming threads.
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
You do realise that EGS isn't out in every country right? Steam has the bigger userbase and is available in more countries. This is just a short term injection of money, the long game is on a platform like Steam. EGS is an inferior platform for the game to get traction on. Steam was the far better platform for Shenmue 3.
Yeah I'm fucking pissed about this. I backed the $100 for a steam copy and the other items in my tier this is just bullshit.
I've already messaged them on Kickstarter and left a somewhat pissed off comment on their comment section.
This just fucking baffles me
I've already messaged them on Kickstarter and left a somewhat pissed off comment on their comment section.
This just fucking baffles me
"As Sega continues its platform agnostic strategy here, our direction is to work with the right partners that allows us to bring our content to consumers as quickly as possible with the right support behind it. And there are some instances, such as our relationship with Sony in Europe and with Infogrames, that allows us to do that with the lowest cost possible.
Shenmue 2 is an example of working with Microsoft with them and their marketing budget to bring that title to the US market with a respect to marketing programs it deserves and a great partner. Unfortunately that would mean there will be a cancellation of the Dreamcast version and Shenmue 2 will ship in the Fall of 2002 for Xbox. Our concern at the moment, the forecast that we got back from retailers for Shenmue 2 on Dreamcast wasn't big enough to make this title popular for us; it wasn't covering our cost by miles! And Sega can't afford to continue to go down the path in coveting games that makes us unprofitable.
By working with Microsoft, we have a great partner that's going to put in a lot of expertise in development and a great marketing program to make this title successful by using the Xbox technology to improve the quality of the game. I hate the fact we're going to have to delay it by a year, but the game will be stellar, it will be brilliant, and I'm much more interested in focusing on building a business to continue making this type of content for the next generation of platforms going forward. And that is a passionate plea from the soul of Sega; that's not me as a spokesperson spinning you, that's what we believe in. And I'm saying this with passion to you because that's what we believe in and that's the truth behind this. There's no other hidden truths here, that's the real reason."
-Charles Bellfield, Vice President of Strategic Planning and Corporate Affairs for Sega of America, 10/11/2001
I remember it clearly, and I can't believe it happened to Shenmue again
Alright. If it's just a launcher. Tell me how do I do the following:
-Share my game with my gf
-Have my saves in cloud for when I move
-Have my controller support
-Have my achievements
I'm waiting.
This isn't fun.
MS is going our way in the PC space, finally. I'd like to see that continue.
Are egs games still drm free?
I'd hate Valve so much if they'd do this.
To the "it's just a launcher/store" crowd - It's not. Steam is also a platform with great features, features we've grown to accept as part of the PC platform in many cases.
We backed this in 2013. We backed it with the understanding there would be a physical PS4 and a physical Steam version and paid extra for that reward.
I mean, you honestly think the key going from Steam to EGS is equivalent to the key going from PS4 to Xbox One? You are that angry that you can't see the difference?
I swear every time we get one of these treads the exclusive bullshit is a little more egregious and the arguments that it's fine are just sliiightly further from they were last time as to what's "reasonable".
The normalisation is absolutely happening.
Also didn't they say they weren't going to be doing this anymore? Or did if ever dream that?
The normalisation is absolutely happening.
Also didn't they say they weren't going to be doing this anymore? Or did if ever dream that?
Screw EGS, screw Deepsilver, fine, but there are people here saying they'll never touch KS again, and I just think that's tremendously unfair to other devs out there that will look to the platform for their own funding. It's completely the wrong party to go after in this whole thing.
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For those seeking refunds, the Deep Silver Twitter is telling people to email [email protected]. Worth a shot for those interested.
if Yu wanted to maximise the profit it would be on all the PC stores.
This is a case of deep silver wanting another lump sum, the 12% cut is almost negligible in comparison to the cash payout when you take into consideration the EGS smaller reach.
The best way would be to invest as an investor and not as a patron.
The thing that is offered in exchange for money is the product's development, not the pledge rewards. Kickstarter is clear about that, both openly and in their terms of service. A lot of Kickstarters don't even offer the product as a reward, and they still get pledges, because the point is to get the product made.
They really screwed up. This whole fiasco has put a dent on anything about this project. What an absolute shitshowThis is nice at least:
EGS store is barebones and in shambles compared to Steam, and Epic has been pushing back new features they promised to the store for months now.
The product people initially bought definitely got severely downgraded.
Deep Silver did this with Exodus, they knew how the fans would react.
The product people initially bought definitely got severely downgraded.
Deep Silver did this with Exodus, they knew how the fans would react.
Well let's make another example: you pre-order Cyberpunk via Humble for a GOG key and you receive an Epic key. But you paid for a GOG key. As I wrote, AFTER the kickstarter we filled an ORDER.
Good luck to their legal team if they ever get taken to court over it, especially in Europe.
None of that has anything to do with how much more money will be made per unit sold, though. Yeah, not going to deny that the Epic Game Store sucks in its current state, and Epic needs to invest more in their infrastructure. The short term injection of money is probably what they want. This sounds like it might even be a timed exclusive?
Because anytime somone is not buying the game on the EGS, Yu Suzuki's studio is making less money per game sold. They basically are just redirecting people over to the EGS.
Fortnite seems to be one of the fastest adopted games for PC/ Mac in recent memory. The Epic Client has a large user base now. Maybe it is worth it for them to go exclusive?
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