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Sex and sensibility. The issue of nudity and sex in Amazon's upcoming Lord of the Rings TV show
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That quote about creating a mythology for England is always misquoted. Tolkien in the very next sentence, dismissed the idea as "absurd".
Regarding Beren and Luthien, they're First Age characters and Amazon haven't the rights to such material according to Tom Shippey who was hired for the project before leaving.
If it's comfy sex with magical condoms and a lot of hand holding, why not.
If they go for strange consent and "rape made me stronger".................
If they go for strange consent and "rape made me stronger".................
I mean, I'm no huge fan, but if I remember correctly, wasn't JRR Tolkein a very big believer in the Christian faith and sought to make LOTR and the Hobbit child friendly and inspired in part by Christian mythos?
I'm sure it can be done tastefully and I am perfectly fine not making the new series perfectly family friendly, but I really worry that they are going to make Middle Earth into a fully grim and gritty "Game of Thrones esque" fantasy world which worked for the GoT series (as the source material was just as dark and the content it explores works only in that setting) but I fear for LOTR going down the same path because that has always been a very lighter themed fantasy world
I'm sure it can be done tastefully and I am perfectly fine not making the new series perfectly family friendly, but I really worry that they are going to make Middle Earth into a fully grim and gritty "Game of Thrones esque" fantasy world which worked for the GoT series (as the source material was just as dark and the content it explores works only in that setting) but I fear for LOTR going down the same path because that has always been a very lighter themed fantasy world
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It may be linked to the following in which we see the moral decline (further) of Numenor under the rule of Ar-pharazon, and behind him Sauron.
The scope is there to depict the very worst of colonialism; mass murder, slavery, rape and pillage.
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Yeah, agreed.
I'm not prudish, tasteful nudity or sex can be fine, but it's also often unnecessary and stupid. GoT-style sexposition would be grotesque, hopefully it's nothing like that though.
Guess we'll just see how it's done?
There's nothing inherently wrong with it, and more 'darker' themes have already been shown in Tolkien's work (Turin banging you know who.)
There's no inherent issue, as long as it's done competently and to provide deeper character development. A tasteful scene of two characters having sex can show off intense passion and give audiences more attachment for them, plus a nice ratings boost if we're being honest.
Having a brothel shown in every episode and or having a main heroine get raped for shock value would be disgraceful, which I hope the writers behind this project would realize.
There's no inherent issue, as long as it's done competently and to provide deeper character development. A tasteful scene of two characters having sex can show off intense passion and give audiences more attachment for them, plus a nice ratings boost if we're being honest.
Having a brothel shown in every episode and or having a main heroine get raped for shock value would be disgraceful, which I hope the writers behind this project would realize.
in a bubble there's not necessarily anything wrong with this
but there is nothing in the world that could make me not think this is just them chasing game of thrones
but there is nothing in the world that could make me not think this is just them chasing game of thrones
Oh you bet your ass those elves going to be FUCKIN.
Amazon didn't spend all this money to have a NON FUCKIN prestige tv.
Amazon didn't spend all this money to have a NON FUCKIN prestige tv.
If it fits the story they're telling whatever they need to is just fine. Also, I can't imagine the type of sexuality present will be as explicit or misogynistic as that of the GOT world, which got gratuitous after a while.
My view is that the Lord of the Rings trilogy is largely seen as something you can watch with the whole family; I watched the movies as a preteen and then a teenager myself, and watching the trilogy is something my family does almost every year. I'm not a fan of this series going up to an R level of content either through sex or violence.
That's actually the first thing I thought of ha ha. If it is done tastefully with a point to it sex, nudity could add a lot. Have a scene with an elf sleeping with a human because she ( I'll bet it's a female elf) wants to feel what it's like to be with a mortal , she spends the whole encounter soaking in every fiber of a vessel that is going to wither and die ,you see it -all this astonishment acted out on her face etc. etc.
Im assuming she sleeps with a very strapping, well built human character and after they're she delicately dresses him down by relating all the flaws she sees in him, all the ways his body is slowly starting to diminish. Reminding him that she is so much more than he is.
Think Galadriel sleeping with an Éomer. Just picture a conversation like that, world building, character building. Don't be scared of nudity or sex, You can have both without it being "hard".
A huge theme of Tolkien is the impermanence of everything so it would make little sense not to address the physical aspect of that, especially when basically immortal beings walk the same earth as mortals do
I first read LoTR aged 11, and the films while violent were in line with being suitable for all fans of the books. I don't really like "sexing up" source material which has such a broad demographic, when if you wanted to make a sexy fantasy show, you could just adapt something else.
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Therein lies the problem. This isn't the sunshine and roses fantasy of the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit books. This is the more gritty and brutal fantasy of the Second Age of Arda, see that passage above from the AkallabĂŞth, or Celebrimbor's death at the hands of Sauron, or the marital issues depicted in The Mariner's Wife for examples.
Only if it is an ongoing joke. The first season it's just them talking about banging
The 2nd season is them banging
The 3rd season is them talking about seeing each other again
I'm all for superfluous sex and nudity but idk it might feel weird in the Tolkien-verse. I mean, there was a bit of nudity in the The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (frolicking dwarf butts in the deleted scene and maybe a little bit of Beorn but idk it was shadowy), so that might not be too out of place, but sex is probably gonna feel super weird.
If true, that is.
If true, that is.
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Better to build up the tension over the 5 seasons with the Ents looking for the Entwives. They finally find each other in the final season, get banging, but then Sauron wipes them out and the Ents lament their loss.
Sure the Hobbit is a children's book, and LotR is family friendly. But the Silmarillion isn't family friendly. Plus we've had this book released recently:
that is 100% not family friendly at all.
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Incest, nudity, graphic descriptions of death and mutilation.
No issue to me. I suspect it won't be hardcore like GOT but even if it is, that's fine. People have sex.
I honestly haven't explored a lot of Tolkien books outside of the Hobbit and LOTR so I didn't know that the other titles often were even darker or had more adult content. Given that this is based on the lesser told stories, it makes even more sense.
I honestly haven't explored a lot of Tolkien books outside of the Hobbit and LOTR so I didn't know that the other titles often were even darker or had more adult content. Given that this is based on the lesser told stories, it makes even more sense.
Why tho?
I mean, I could be terribly (oh my god, so terribly) wrong on this, but who thinks of LOTR and then says to himself: You know what this could need? Some old fashioned fucking!
I'm afraid to ask, but this there a big fanfic community for LOTR?
Please dear god let the answer be no!
I mean, I could be terribly (oh my god, so terribly) wrong on this, but who thinks of LOTR and then says to himself: You know what this could need? Some old fashioned fucking!
I'm afraid to ask, but this there a big fanfic community for LOTR?
Please dear god let the answer be no!
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No this should absoltuley not be in middle earth fiction. I would hate for something from this brand to be as gross and exploitative as game of thrones is
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There is. Melkor and Sauron been lovers is a common one. Melkor did "seduce" Sauron into his service after all.
Just because something has nudity and an 'intimacy' scene doesn't mean it's going to be the equivalent of GoT. There's a lot of space between a relatively romantic nude scene and like Elrond pounding away at some elf whores in a threesome at the elf brothel.