For me it was both. Luke was so latched onto the past he had to let it go so he could move on and learn. Sometimes people struggle to learn because they're so fixated on what went wrong and are afraid of it happening again.
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Setting the record straight: The message of The Last Jedi was *NOT* "Let the past die".
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"the casino plot is useless because they fail"
*GASPS*
Because it evens the playing field for everyone else, actually making it a race. Next question.
People don't even remember what they watched, they just know that they hated it to death and prefers the Prequels instead of ST
I've had an argument with someone about events of the movie in which they eventually revealed that they were on their phone for the section in question
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That is a very surface-level interpretation of the movie's message. If you look just beyond the surface it becomes apparent that the theme of killing the past is in fact central to the movie and it still echoes through the finale. It is not an accident that the Luke Skywalker that appeared at the final battle was an apparition, an idealized version of the hero. A romanticized but not tangible version of the past.
Through the constant tug of war between Kylo (kill the past) and Rey (revere the past) the movie debates the issue and settles on the conclusion that the idealized version of the past has its uses an a means of inspiration for younger generations, but the ugly truth is that the past is not as glorious or heroic as you remember it.
Through the constant tug of war between Kylo (kill the past) and Rey (revere the past) the movie debates the issue and settles on the conclusion that the idealized version of the past has its uses an a means of inspiration for younger generations, but the ugly truth is that the past is not as glorious or heroic as you remember it.
This also goes hand-in-hand with spoiler culture where if any big moment is revealed to the viewers prior to witnessing it themselves, the other 120+ minutes of the film have been ruined.
Imagine that its 2 years later and the same few things are still being endlessly debated about this movie. It's like PTSD of the film's OTs in which there were literally thousands of posts about this stuff.
Let the past (discussions we've had a million times about TLJ) die.
Let the past (discussions we've had a million times about TLJ) die.
You don't see the irony is Kylo saying let the past die while he idolises Vader, is part of the
Learning from the past's failures is not the same as killing the past, like how Kylo and Luke wanna do at the first. Yoda tells Luke to not kill it but to learn from it to better the next generations.
If Yoda spelling out the movie for you wasn't enough, RJ takes about how it's not about killing the past on a podcast a few weeks after TLJ came out. Your interpretation is just objectively wrong.
Because people who dislike the film like to latch on to this to pretend like Rian Johnson hated the old films and the fans. "Kill the past" is a direct attack on their love for Star Wars but the reality is that the movie is telling you the opposite.
It's something worth correcting.
I think it says something that people uncritically take the villain's message to heart. You're not supposed to agree with Kylo! He's an unstable man-child with daddy AND grand-daddy issues.
It's like coming out of ESB and thinking "Huh, yeah, Luke totally should have teamed up with Vader to rule the galaxy, what an idiot for choosing his friends instead."
It's no coincidence that in both films Yoda is right fucking there explicitly laying out the real deal.
It's like coming out of ESB and thinking "Huh, yeah, Luke totally should have teamed up with Vader to rule the galaxy, what an idiot for choosing his friends instead."
It's no coincidence that in both films Yoda is right fucking there explicitly laying out the real deal.
Which makes people saying the movie is subversive funny. It's the same as every other Star Wars movie.
Subversive: seeking or intended to subvert an established system or institution
TLJ is status quo but it had the ideas to be subversive, it just didn't follow through.
Subversive: seeking or intended to subvert an established system or institution
TLJ is status quo but it had the ideas to be subversive, it just didn't follow through.
The ideas that would be "subversive" according to ST would just be the status quo with no overall message beyond "well in my head this seems cool so it should happen." The biggest example being the suggestions that Rey should've joined Kylo.
It's not my interpretation, it's what the movie presented. It's very, very clear.
This. I understand people who get frustrated at the haters but is fucking Disney, they still make a ton with SW and people are allowed to dislike one of their thousand of million seller movies that have clogged the state of modern cinema.
If it is advice the villain is giving or following, it is generally not the lesson you should learn.
I don't think he really died at all. He ascended to a higher form of existence, becoming one with the binding force of the universe. If you can talk, manifest yourself at will, and are part of the binding force of the universe, are you really dead in any sense?
I don't think he really died at all. He ascended to a higher form of existence, becoming one with the binding force of the universe. If you can talk, manifest yourself at will, and are part of the binding force of the universe, are you really dead in any sense?
Just to clarify films are however many acts the creators desire. "Full Metal Jacket" is a two act film for example. Three is just typical.
Reminds me that I had more fun with TLJ than any Star Wars movie that was made after the original trilogy. In my mind it's way better than the one that came before it. It was bold in places where it needed to be. No forced bullshit like a certain much loved character dying in Force Awakens. That did nothing for me, even if it gave Chewbacca a cool scene.
I never understood the theme to be that negative but that's usually used as a typical arguement against the film, yep.
I never understood the theme to be that negative but that's usually used as a typical arguement against the film, yep.
See my other post but if you are only comparing the original releases
Empire Strikes Back grosses 68.15% of A New Hope's domestic gross when only comparing their original releases, while Attack of the Clones netted 70.1% of Phantom Menace's initial domestic haul.
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So they all were almost identical in their drops from first film to second film, as has been explained.
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Yeah, enjoying content from a guy who has defended Trump and has used racist and sexist slurs is wonderful entertainment.
thats his personal belief supporting Trump. Besides where was rich evans sexist or racist? Can you link me something so i can believe you. But i found this clip funny lol.
Ok, in terms of percentages, it would appear to be the weakest by a few percentage points. But they're all within the same margin (66, 68, 70%) And adjusted for inflation, TLJ earned more money than Attack of the Clones (464 billion vs 620 billion), and just a bit under ESB (700 billion vs 620 billion).
So yeah, the box office numbers are as expected really.
Because they can't allow people to enjoy things they hate. They want it gone.
Lol what kind of takes are these?
Might as well end basically every discussion relating to plot/story in the Gaming side because "the message is that they want you to buy the sequel and related merchandise".
Right. And it's not even "up for interpretation" or anything. What Yoda says in that scene is literally black and white "this is the theme of the movie".
A lot of people refusing to accept arguments because "oh well they're just themes let people interpret them how they want" -- sure, but, people can indeed interpret things wrong. It's not like when they were making the movie they were like "you know what? we don't know what overall theme we want to portray throughout the movie, so, it's just thematically grey".
I am convinced that most hot takes you see on the internet for movies and media are just ripped off from media personalities on twitter and youtube.
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People are running online to post their reactions and see the reactions of others immediately after they see the movie.
And no offense to my sisters and brothers of the internet, but most of what is posted is from idiots just formulating some hot take 3 hours after they saw the movie.
On the other hand, I am not sure why people get so upset at these reactions from the internet. I only go online to look for new and interesting opinions. I try to avoid the noise.
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