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maxxpower

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,950
California
I know my global warming wining threads don't get much traction here, but as we head into what will probably be another dry January and February for Southern California, I honestly feel like our leaders need to start acting pretty fucking soon on global warming. I know Northern California gets more rain than us, but it's not enough to stop the massive wildfires and blackouts. The way I see it, these are the 4 main problems we face right now (not in a decade, now). All these problems are easily traced back to global warming.

1. Drought and water supply. Obvious one of course. We've had way under average rainfall on 'El Nada' years and just barely average rainfall on 'El Nino' years, which isn't enough to offset the incredibly dry years we are having with 'La Nina' winters. We're heading back into a drought and this time, with global warming worsening every year, I don't see us having a couple of miraculous years to get us out of a drought. Obviously that's a problem for water supply. We need to start acting on that immediately and unfortunately our only solution is water desalination plants.

2. Massive wildfires. The state is burning down at record speeds. We need to build lots of shelters so people that have lost their homes have somewhere to stay.

3. PG&E blackouts. This shit needs to stop asap. With dry conditions and extreme heat we can't keep having PG&E shut down our power, especially since they essentially would have to shut it down for weeks given how bad next summer is going to be. If our state is not gonna fix that shit then they need to provide solar power to every household in this state. At least enough solar power to keep essential appliances running, like refrigerators, freezers or air conditioning.

4. Extreme heat. Simple one, the state needs to provide a free AC unit to each household because summers are about to start getting worse. Death from heat exhaustion is a serious thing.

I would really like not to have to leave California since all my family lives here, but if our government continues to do nothing I will probably move to the PNW.
 

Jon Carter

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,746
I feel like California is much too rich and popular a state to just get written off. I suspect money will be thrown at things until something works.
 

Tryphosa

Member
Dec 22, 2020
36
I was in Oregon when the fires peaked and Portland didn't shut down at all they just kept driving everywhere and the smoke trapped the gas exhaust creating the worst air quality in the world. Prolly need to move further East or more north.
 

Curler

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,605
I would really like not to have to leave California since all my family lives here, but if our government continues to do nothing I will probably move to the PNW.

Just want to point out that PNW is not immune to dry summers and record-breaking heat, which burns down a lot of the forests like tinder. Last year too, some of the smoke CA ended up getting was from up north, there.

The PG&E thing... omg, the bills just keep getting higher and higher. I don't want to turn on my AC/heater when I can help it, but sometimes the temp is too extreme not to, and they're like "yeah time for bills to go up, we don't care if you work from home".
 

FliX

Master of the Reality Stone
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
9,875
Metro Detroit
One of the main reasons I was ok with relocating to the Midwest from SoCal for my employer. I don't feel like SoCal is sustainable long term.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,704
Siloam Springs
I feel like California is much too rich and popular a state to just get written off. I suspect money will be thrown at things until something works.

I think it's going to be tough going for the non-independently wealthy. The independently wealthy will put together donations to the meager people's lives in California, it'll come a cost of further economic and social divide.

One of the main reasons I was ok with relocating to the Midwest from SoCal for my employer. I don't feel like SoCal is sustainable long term.

We're in the southern midwest and we're looking at a more northern midwestern blue state, the only problem is their future water outlook is not great even with the largest river originating in that state. We could see a change in that state (about their future water probabilities) in the next 10 years, I'll be moving there within the next 2 years.
 

finalflame

Product Management
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,538
Yes, the largest economy in the United States has a future. What an odd question to ask, frankly.

I understand the posturing that CA is some kind of "hellscape", but despite its problems, it has a continued bright future. With that said, the PNW is also a fantastic place, if filled with less opportunity. If I was established already career-wise and had the option to move, I likely would.
 

xxracerxx

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
31,222
I was in Oregon when the fires peaked and Portland didn't shut down at all they just kept driving everywhere and the smoke trapped the gas exhaust creating the worst air quality in the world. Prolly need to move further East or more north.
This is a pretty weird interpretation of what was happening during the fires. A majority of people I know where in their homes the entire time and not just out carrying on.
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
Californian separatism will probably intensify in the coming years. I think its rich enough (If you add in the PNW and the farm states) to sustain itself, but it cannot overrule the fed and obviously it needs to bring corporate under control by doing a socialism.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,670
I would think desalination and solar panels + smart grids would help with the current issues of low water and power outages. Wildfires are a lot harder to solve.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,940
In general everyone's screwed to a certain degree. Things are only going to get harder no matter where you are, with the note that 2020-2021 will hopefully prove to be slight outliers. California has some pretty tough challenges facing it but has more potential to solve its problems than most states facing similar situations. At least California has an ocean to desalinate unlike Arizona and they don't have to worry about sinking into the ocean like Florida
 
Nov 18, 2020
1,408
I appreciate your global warming threads, OP. This is too serious and too existential a threat to blissfully ignore.

California, due to its trending towards desertification, is uniquely vulnerable to climate change. Northern states like New York and Minnesota will be more insulated from the horrors.

I think the tipping point for California will be the water supply. Some areas are already water-stressed with half the aquifers dangerously depleted. If the state enters into more prolonged droughts they cannot sustain the infrastructure for 40 million people + countless vineyards and orchards, even if they attempt emergency construction of desalination plants.
 

Tryphosa

Member
Dec 22, 2020
36
This is a pretty weird interpretation of what was happening during the fires. A majority of people I know where in their homes the entire time and not just out carrying on.
I was down town and was horrified by the number of people forced to work and the number of people just waiting for the buses outside. At my work itself the full time people
Stayed home but we had hundreds of sub contractors excited to work with hazard pay. It was a very unpleasant experience.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,670
One of the main reasons I was ok with relocating to the Midwest from SoCal for my employer. I don't feel like SoCal is sustainable long term.

It's gonna be sustainable for rich people and knowledge workers unless change is made. Cali isn't doomed but the current migration seems to suggest anyone not in a high demand field is gonna have a hard time compared to past decades.

California definitely isn't unique in the regard and it isn't stuck like this yet, but it's definitely further along than most places.
 
Oct 28, 2017
2,965
4. Extreme heat. Simple one, the state needs to provide a free AC unit to each household because summers are about to start getting worse. Death from heat exhaustion is a serious thing.

I get the motivation, but ACs use a shitton of energy and are one of the biggest contributors to rising energy demand worldwide meaning more CO2 emissions. Providing free AC because of climate change just means getting deeper into a vicious cycle.
 

wenis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,112
I mean, there is a lot of right wing lunatics up here in the PNW. But as someone from rural far Northern California, its not that much of a difference.
i dont count anything above Weed as California. As soon as you get into the woods and sticks and every cop addresses me as "boy" I know I'm not in California anymore. My brown ass dont go there anymore.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,670
I get the motivation, but ACs use a shitton of energy and are one of the biggest contributors to rising energy demand worldwide meaning more CO2 emissions. Providing free AC because of climate change just means getting deeper into a vicious cycle.

Nothing stopping the state from mandating better building insulation or more power efficient AC units. California did it with car emissions, so I don't see why they couldn't with AC.
 

prophetvx

Member
Nov 28, 2017
5,332
4. Extreme heat. Simple one, the state needs to provide a free AC unit to each household because summers are about to start getting worse. Death from heat exhaustion is a serious thing.
I'm not in California but this is a laughable suggestion. How about providing incentives for upgrading housing insulation? Up to 35% of heat loss / entry is through a ceiling.

AC addresses a symptom, not the cause.
 

wenis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,112
Mrs. McKnight really wants to move to the PNW, because her mother wants to move there. Outside of the cities, PNW scares me like when we lived in rural NORCAL.
scares me too. i used to play in shitty bands that would tour in the bad norcal areas and into some of the more wooded areas of oregon and it was nothing but people that i know would like to catch me alone. it was sketchy as fuck and until recently, couldn't point to anything in media to give a good example, but its totally a Green Room situation everywhere besides Portland. No thanks.
 

Lunar Wolf

Banned
Nov 6, 2017
16,237
Los Angeles
I mean I hope so.

Coastal California has a future at least as long as they can keep sea levels at bay.

Internal California not so much. That's turning even more into a desert every year.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,969
California is being hit hardest but I feel like the entire west coast is about to be difficult to live in soon. Up here in western WA we had a wild fire season, with weeks of smoky air and days where the temperature was cooler due to the smoke blocking out the sun.

I might be looking to leave in the next few years. I don't know if this region will be sustainable in the future, and as climate change worsens, others will follow suit.
 

wenis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,112
lol California is exactly the same as the PNW in that regard.
i just dont go there is my solution

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I got family across the entire state, some of them I'll see at reunions and thats it.
 

leder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,111
You can't just move away from climate change unfortunately OP. If anything, CA has a brighter outlook for dealing with climate change than most places since it's an incredibly rich state and has (relatively) responsive government.
 
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Instro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,012
You might as well ask whether the US has a future. If the largest economy in the US, and the 5th largest in the world, can't survive the effects of global warming then you can probably assume most of the nation and the planet is going to fair as bad or worse.
 
Nov 18, 2020
1,408
California is being hit hardest but I feel like the entire west coast is about to be difficult to live in soon. Up here in western WA we had a wild fire season, with weeks of smoky air and days where the temperature was cooler due to the smoke blocking out the sun.

I might be looking to leave in the next few years. I don't know if this region will be sustainable in the future, and as climate change worsens, others will follow suit.

Yeah I saw that. The wildfires alone make it very hard to live in the PNW, even if Washington won't suffer the same drought issues as California. The area is all related.

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It's a negative feedback loop because the American West is becoming progressively warmer and drier, and decades of fire suppression policies are coming back to haunt them.

I live in New York and wildfires are a lot less of an issue here, even though we're also heavily forested. The climate in the Northeast in general is a lot more wet.
 

teruterubozu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,894
I'll never forget the day I moved out of SoCal. Fires were burning all around the mountains. Seemed fitting.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,969
Yeah I saw that. The wildfires alone make it very hard to live in the PNW, even if Washington won't suffer the same drought issues as California. The area is all related.

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It's a negative feedback loop because the American West is becoming progressively warmer and drier, and decades of fire suppression policies are coming back to haunt them.

I live in New York and wildfires are a lot less of an issue here, even though we're also heavily forested. The climate in the Northeast in general is a lot more wet.
I hear that as things worsen, the Great Lakes area will be the best place to live in the US as it will be the least impacted. Chicago, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Detroit, etc. will be the places to be.

I know some folks in Chicago. Maybe that's where I'll head.
 

clearacell

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Oct 27, 2017
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If they funded some for controlled burns and forest cleanup it would go a long way and save a huge amount of money in the long run
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,872
You won't have to worry about drought, heat, or wildfires when it slides into the pacific ocean. PG&E will still be an issue though.
 

ToddBonzalez

The Pyramids? That's nothing compared to RDR2
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
15,530
I live in SoCal, but I'm really hoping my employer allows us to WFH permanently. I'd love to get out of here.
 

Curler

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,605
I hear that as things worsen, the Great Lakes area will be the best place to live in the US as it will be the least impacted. Chicago, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Detroit, etc. will be the places to be.

I know some folks in Chicago. Maybe that's where I'll head.

I would never be able to deal with those blizzards and ice storms there, as it looks like those continue to happen there.
 

Ripcord

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Oct 30, 2017
1,779
Ofc California has a future. It's not one that's going to be very comfortable for humans, but it'll persist.