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Serge Hascoet and Yannis Mallat leaving Ubisoft (center pieces of the main allegations); Cecile Cornet stepping down from position
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I think the only thing that might absolve him is if the HR department were so corrupt that serious offenses he should have been made aware of were never, ever escalated to him.
Same. Didn't think it was actually possible. I'm flabbergasted.
From the second poster: "What I understand is that Ubisoft will punish just a few people, the most visible, just to look good on the outside, but that they will save all the toxic people whose names have not come out fiercely. The goal has a date: The management hopes that we will not talk about the Ubisoft scandal in a week."
"Yves is OK with toxicity in the management, as long as the results of these executives exceed their level of toxicity."
Yeah, OK, so is Yves Guillemot going to leave Ubisoft too?
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Les extraits sur les affichettes donnent froid dans le dos. Hascoët semble être un pervers fini et Cornet semble vouloir tout simplement étouffer les scandales pour ne pas nuire à l'entreprise.
La mention qu'Yves est au courant mais ne fait rien est la cerise sur le gâteau.
This is still probably the tip of the iceberg. If the big executives fostered that kind of climate you can bet they've corrupted the people below then.
do you think this will have a huge impact, despite yves stil lbeeing there? or is there already a replacement for serge in the waiting (that will follow the same course)?
Yeah, Monday morning is going to be interesting in all the studios, will be messaging some friends!
In my experience Yves was very hands off with the games, they all went through Serge, basically he was in charge of the creative output and had final say. This will change a lot.
I mean, it's certainly great that they're ditching these fuck faces right now, but that's hard for me to take them seriously when this is what it took for them to take action. It's not like they're just hearing about it now, the people that could've done this a long time ago should have to pass a sniff test because clearly letting these things slide as a habit was simply status quo. That's pretty suspect IMO.
I don't, seeing how many of the corroborators that allowed the story to break were from HR and clearly wanted the abuse to end.
Depending on where these folks worked, doesn't this go against this thing where folks thought EU law gave immunity to folks as long as it didn't affect their business. Case and point; the THQ Nordic 8chan AMA? Folks were going on about how Reinhard Pollice and Philip Brock couldn't be fired due to laws in that region which IIRC included their home country Sweden.
Different story if this was all here in Canada however. But still, wouldn't Serge have been HQ'd in France like Yves?
Different story if this was all here in Canada however. But still, wouldn't Serge have been HQ'd in France like Yves?
I don't think HR is ever in the interest of anyone but the company, it's the sweeper.
That's oversimplifying matters a bit.
From the second poster: "What I understand is that Ubisoft will punish just a few people, the most visible, just to look good on the outside, but that they will save all the toxic people whose names have not come out fiercely. The goal has a date: The management hopes that we will not talk about the Ubisoft scandal in a week."
You don't oust somebody like Hascoet for show, that's not how this works. If it was just Cornet yeah, but this is a pretty powerful move.
Not saying "Glad this is over then" of course there is still much to do but this is not a scapegoat move.
A company can always fire a employee and this isn't even that, they "resigned". You get like a 3 month grace period if you get fired for "no reason" (meaning the company has to pay you for three more months so you have enough time to find a new job). That is unless you do something that actively hurts it's business as you said, then they can kick you out immediately.
The THQ thing was based on Austrian law btw, not Sweden.
I did not expect this to actually happen and was prepared to continually highlight this for years like with most everything else scummy going on in video game land.
So...that's surprising and good to hear. This is a proper start of turning the ship around. There's actual hope. How strange.
So...that's surprising and good to hear. This is a proper start of turning the ship around. There's actual hope. How strange.
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They didnt get fired. They stepped down. Different situations so to speak.
Atleast it reads like they stepped down.
It was clearly becoming (actually was) some sort of a status quo, but this is a status quo shattering event. Even reading all of this, a lot of people underestimate how insane it is that Serge quit over this. No idea how much he was pressured to, but the fact that they most likely moved against him is HUGE.
Things will definitely change at Ubisoft at this point.
How much do you believe that Yves was part of this fuckery? Was he aware or my some miracle wasn't? Do you think he is serious about cleaning house or is this just smoke and mirrors essentially and once we stop looking things will be back to normal with just some people gone?
I don't know crap about how these companies work, but I'm very surprised to see that one man, just one man was this powerful. In charge of ALL of their games? Could greenlight or cancel any project at will, just like that? Just one man? Wow, man. Wow.
Serge being a creep was literally at gossip level at the studio I was at. Pretty sure it was the case in every Ubisoft studio. Ask any Ubisoft employee or any ex employee. Everyone heard a story about that. How much of a creep he was wasn't that broadcasted, but the fact that it was at gossip level that he was one really tells you what you need to know about this.
Even with that in mind, this is not just smokes and mirrors. This is a huge deal.
I truly hope this is the start of great changes to come and they won't just wipe their hands going "there, done. Now where were we?". A huge start obviously. Fingers crossed.
Honestly, I don't know. I was based in the UK and most of the fuckery seems to be in Paris and Montreal. I will say that Serge was feared by pretty much everyone, due to the power he had. Yves in my experience wasn't, but who knows.
Would be hard to be a scapegoat move without massive blowback unless they have the receipts or all got an ironclad pay off for leaving, don't think I would want the latter and bad reputation so going to guess they have enough corroborating evidence that sinks them so they got ousted.
That isn't the tweet I posted. I posted one he actually deleted right as I posted it.
You'd be surprised at how much power a person can have over a whole company if they're on the right side of the right people (read: friends with the right people). Even to the point where they have a say in shit that isn't really their place to, but they're enabled by the people around them.
I hope this will embolden more developers at other studios to speak up as well.
Even if it stops there (and hopefully it won't) that's still at least some progress.
Even if it stops there (and hopefully it won't) that's still at least some progress.
Hard same. So weird, even though I haven't worked for Ubi for a very long time.
NOTE: He deleted this so don't take this too... seriously(?), I'm sure he deleted this for a reason
NOTE: He deleted this so don't take this too... seriously(?), I'm sure he deleted this for a reason
I think the tweet about Bloomberg's confirmation of Hascoet's departure came right after that one? So he probably deleted it because there was not point to this one anymore.
Yeah, they are few minutes apart so Bloomberg getting confirmation cleared up things.