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Sequels that go out of their way to shit on their predecessor
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I'm gonna be honest, considering how stupidly Rey killed Palpatine in the third movie, I can't imagine JJ's way of having Snoke die would've been any better.
At least Snoke's death was surprising and visually striking, vs. just "I HAVE TWO LIGHTSABERS NOW" "TWO!?!"
they obviously could have gone in a different direction, and it was an intentionally cruel choice, but thematically Alien 3 is all about coming to terms with death so I actually think it was a fitting choice for the narrative they went with. It wasn't done to piss on Aliens or give a finger to the fans but to open with a gut punch that both Ripley and the audience have to come to terms with (kind of like a certain AAA game did recently that also pissed off lots of people).
How though? TFA also clearly set Kylo to be more important in the narrative than Snoke too: he's the one that parallels Rey, he has the backstory that connects to the original trilogy, and his design is emblematic of Darth Vader, both in and out of universe, from the start aka who everyone saw as the main villain in the OT. While I don't disagree that three writers wasn't a great Idea, I don't think JJ ever viewed Snoke as anything more than a plot device to help justify Ben's turn to the dark side either.
Snoke was in TFA for all of five seconds so how is killing him the way they did in TLJ shitting on TFA?
There's a good movie there somewhere.
I hated how it didn't feel as "grounded" as the others.
TROS is super weird because they basically toss out every big thing from TLJ… except for the Resistance being decimated? Which it shouldn't be anymore due to Luke's sacrifice? Like, all the other choices are dumb but that felt extra shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-y.
Exactly. Even in the prequels, the lightsabers aren't considered sacred. The Jedi use them because they're primarily defensive weapons, not because they're holy artifacts.
JJ elevated them to mystical status via Maz Kanata and her mystery box and Rian tried to course correct and show that these are just objects, irrelevant to what The Force actually is.
I can't remember if he's commented on Aliens, but he officially disowned Alien 3 after all the studio bullshit he had to put up with. The only good thing to come out of Alien 3 is the Making of Alien 3 doc.
Yeah, but I don't think he disowned it for the first hour. It's the rest that's an absolute mess.
It's posts like these that make me love Star Wars threads.. LMAO
I don't know, then the movie goes on to make The Dark World pretty important to the overall MCU.
You have Thor talking to Frigga one last time & proving that he's still worthy & Loki sees her death in his show.
I find it interesting how nobody mentions the prequels lol.
Who knew Darth Vader did not like sand.
Who knew Darth Vader did not like sand.
Every Rocky after Rocky 1 too tbh.
Fucked up how the sequel basically does a mulligan to the first movie's big climatic fight. We went from Oscar winning film about a scrappy underdog to Rocky going super Saiyan to challenge the toughest boxers in the world.
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Eureka Seven AO
Did you like the romance, world building and hopeful ending of the original? Well fuck you, everything is shit and nothing means anything and here's some bullshit mystery and time travel.
Did you like the romance, world building and hopeful ending of the original? Well fuck you, everything is shit and nothing means anything and here's some bullshit mystery and time travel.
I think also that TLJ is one of the few SW related things that actually condemns a lot of the war aspects of the series- and that includes how glorified the Lightsaber is. It also goes as far as to have an over arcing theme of angry and violent solutions being inferior to more peaceful, protective approaches, rather than just go the Rogue One or Gundam route of portraying its action as brutal and tragic.
Accomplishes it hilariously early in the movie, too. It's honestly kind of impressive.
Are you sure you're talking about Eureka Seven AO and not The Force Awakens?
This is a good one, too. "Yeah, let's make a sequel series! But also, instead of a continuation, let's make it bad Evangelion instead!"
I never watched it because I heard it was awful, but I heard that they did a whole 180 and were like "no, the Coralians are actually bad like people originally thought."
Everything is The Force Awakens. Even The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker
No, it was a bold move to show that they weren't just going to mirror the original trilogy and it set Kylo Ren (who was already a far more interesting character than Snoke) up to be directly in charge of the new empire. There were so many interesting things they could have done with the plot in the 3rd movie thanks to the setup of the 2nd movie.
And then the 3rd movie backpedaled and just brought the emperor back out of nowhere, and didn't know what to do with any of the supporting characters (most drastically with Rose who got downgraded from being a main character to a background one). There are aspects of the 3rd movie I like and some of the individual scenes are well done, but the whole movie did its best to ignore the second movie's themes and events.
I came in to pile on the Star Wars sequel trilogy like everyone else, but Rambo is actually a pretty good mention.
Regardless of how entertaining some of the sequels might be, they all shit on the tone and message of First Blood.
Regardless of how entertaining some of the sequels might be, they all shit on the tone and message of First Blood.
Underrated post. I honestly hate sci-fi writers obsession with destroying beloved ships. Like can't we have a fun adventure on a familiar old vessel for once. Sadly that was about the only Star Trek like thing they kept for the Seven Samurai influenced sequel.
This fucking show finally opened my eyes to the truth that Star Trek wasn't for me anymore and hadn't been for a long time.
My cousin wrote and directed Revelation. It wasn't a great process and involved a lot of meddling and additions and weirdness including needing Pyramid Head front and center and in a heroic role and lots of weird last minute 3D bullshit.
Yep. The other obvious example I had was Alien 3, but that's at least kind of impressively cruel. American Psycho 2 just takes the most boring interpretation of the first movie and then shits all over it in a truly baffling way.
Also, a positive example of this: Alien Covenant shits all over the ending and messaging of Prometheus.
- The heavy focus on religion of Prometheus? Fuck that, the only religious character dies the stupidest death because of "faith" and the redt constantly makes fun of him.
- The Engineers? Yeah, they're all dead in a genocide caused by David. Fuck them.
And all of this leads to a significantly better movie than Prometheus that actually knows what it wants to do.
But Snoke was always an emperor stand-in. That was his whole point from the very beginning. And the emperor stand-in dies when betrayed by his pupil in the throne room. That's not shitting on TFA, that's doing exactly what TFA set Snoke up for. Only it was done in the second movie of the trilogy instead of the third. Which would have set for something new regarding Kylo as the main antagonist in the third movie had Rise not backpaddled so hard that it replaced the dead emperor stand-in with the actual Emperor.
Pretty brutal
Deadpool not only shits on Green Lantern, but Deadpool 2 doubles back to take an even bigger shit on it.
Any of the highlander sequels. Maybe not so much the quickening as its more just nonsensical. But highlander the source craps on every aspect of the original.
Why does The Force Awakens start with the whole map to Luke Skywalker only to make it a joke in the next film? It doesn't feel like TLJ thought that was a valid point. I mean I get what TLJ did but it still doesn't feel like it gave a crap about the setups that didn't fit into its own narrative.
Kick-Ass 2 goes to comical levels to make it clear that Mark Millar hated that the first movie got a lot of praise despite changing his precious story in the adaptation process, thus it opens with a bunch of things to undo a lot of those changes, shitting all over the first movie and its ending, before attempting to be a more straight forward adaptation of the Kick-Ass 2 comic.
Which, they then had to hilariously change things anyway because the comic was such an edgelord piece of shit that people refused to film certain scenes out of it without changes.
Which, they then had to hilariously change things anyway because the comic was such an edgelord piece of shit that people refused to film certain scenes out of it without changes.
Wayward Pines Season 2. It was ridiculous what they did with the old cast, especially when the new cast wasn't great.
Sad to say The Force Awakens is my pick for the worst because I enjoy the movie. Resetting the universe back to Empire vs Rebels under different names was completely creatively bankrupt.
