Senran Kagura producer: Next game may take some more time due to regulations

[Sanox]

http://ebitsu.net/archives/77708845.html

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Lmao no way. Sony went full "won't somebody think of the children"

This makes no sense whatsoever. niche games that usually get the M rating equivalent in each region are a problem and need to be censored to protect children. But big violent AAA games that are heavily promoted are fine on the platform.

Like the rating boards literally already exist to define what content is suitable for which ages.

Gotta protect children from games not meant for children but be really selective about it on top of it

Also what global standard? They are censoring stuff that received a rating in each region

 

[Arthands]

Sony should consider retrospectively look through and censor the released PS4 library. Ask all of their publishers to resubmit a revised and censored version or take down their games from the Playstation Store.

 

[rras1994]

Lmao no way. Sony went full "won't somebody think of the children"

This makes no sense whatsoever. niche games that usually get the M rating equivalent in each region are a problem and need to be censored to protect children. But big violent AAA games that are heavily promoted are fine on the platform.

Like the rating boards literally already exist to define what content is suitable for which ages

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I mean it is important to think of the children when these games actually sexualise children - nice, What about Violence????? by the way.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Lmao no way. Sony went full "won't somebody think of the children"

This makes no sense whatsoever. niche games that usually get the M rating equivalent in each region are a problem and need to be censored to protect children. But big violent AAA games that are heavily promoted are fine on the platform.

Like the rating boards literally already exist to define what content is suitable for which ages

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And the UK rating boards state sexualizing children/minors or characters child-like is not healthy for children either

This refusal is relevant to physical product only (disc, cartridge, etc.) Under the terms of the Video Recordings Act (1984), the VSC Rating Board is required to consider the likelihood of any game causing harm to the user and, subsequently, to wider society by the way in which the game deals with and portrays images of criminal, violent or horrific behaviour, illegal drugs and human sexual activity. The grounds for this decision are as follows: - The likely harm being caused to a viewer or potential viewer, e.g. children or young people.

The game is explicit in its setting within a "school" environment and the majority of the characters are young girls - one child is referred to as being a "first year" student and is seen holding a teddy bear. The game clearly promotes the sexualisation of children via the sexual interaction between the game player and the female characters. The style of the game is such that it will attract an audience below the age of 18.

There is a serious danger that impressionable people, i.e. children and young people viewing the game would conclude that the sexual activity represented normal sexual behaviour. There is a constant theme of sexual innuendo and activity throughout the game that suggests behaviour likely to normalise sexual activity towards children. As a means of reward gained by successfully navigating the game, the player has the means to sexually stimulate the female characters by using either a hand held remote device or touch screen software.

The VSC Rating Board believes this content in a game, which would have strong appeal to non-adult players, is an issue which would be unacceptable to the majority of UK consumers and, more importantly, has the potential to be significantly harmful in terms of the social and moral development of younger people in particular.

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https://videostandards.org.uk/ratingboard/featured.html

But please, presumably as a grown man, do let us know why molestation, visible resistance and sexualizing minors is good for children, let alone adults.

There's a far greater link to consuming media sexualizing children/young characters/abusing consent having an effect on the consumer and greater society than there is for violence being depicted in media.

 

[casiopao]

This is a thread about Shenran Kagura though.

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We have been going literally everywhere. Not sure why my comment regarding otome game possible censorship suddenly required your attention? Especially when we are talking about possible Sony censorship.

 

[Ac30]

well a country legalizing gun possession is not the norm too but we have lots of games featuring guns.

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I didn't realise fondling underage girls was legal anywhere but okay

 

[Principate]

http://ebitsu.net/archives/77708845.html

Is that a legit translation?

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If that is a legit translation then it's exactly what I thought. Makes sense why Sony is doing it this way then.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Personally, I super don't care how hard it is for developers to make games with tons of shitty sexualizations of women and especially of minors. The solution is simply to not do this shit. If Sony is dropping the hammer good. Time to join modern society in recognizing this shit is awful and unnecessary.

 

[texhnolyze]

We have been going literally everywhere. Not sure why my comment regarding otome game possible censorship suddenly required your attention? Especially when we are talking about possible Sony censorship.

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Yes, possible. That's what we call a slippery slope argument. Threads like this one has always been locked at some point because people can't contain the discussion about the actual problem at hand.

 

[Arthands]

I didn't realise fondling underage girls was legal anywhere but okay

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I wasn't aware that I said fondling underage girls was legal anywhere but okay.

 

[Sanox]

I mean it is important to think of the children when these games actually sexualise children - nice, What about Violence????? by the way.

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And the UK rating boards state sexualizing children/minors or characters child-like is not healthy for children either



https://videostandards.org.uk/ratingboard/featured.html

But please, presumably as a grown man, do let us know why molestation, visible resistance and sexualizing minors is good for children, let alone adults.

There's a far greater link to consuming media sexualizing children/young characters/abusing consent having an effect on the consumer and greater society than there is for violence being depicted in media.

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As I said it makes little sense to be selective if content unsuitable for children is the reason for this when the rating these games receive already make it clear that they are unsuitable for children.

 

[Tzarscream]

Yes, that's what I said I will play it on the other system. I enjoy lewd -you call them weird- games and I hope Sony go broke cause changing their policies.

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I think Sony can survive without sales of Senran Kagura.

 

[Deleted member 888]

As I said it makes little sense to be selective if content unsuitable for children is the reason for this when the rating these games receive already make it clear that they are unsuitable for children.

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How many games that have violent content have you blowing off children's heads? Most games with violence stick strictly to adult characters. Very few depict violence towards children. Detroit handled child abuse fairly well, putting aside the hysteria around it pre-release due to that one scene, and if you play the game there is a further twist anyway.

Even if you disagree with me on Detroit, the child abuse in that scene was depicted as a negative, something which was a threat and in the wrong. Many of these games celebrate molesting or pretty much being excited about a lack of consent.

 

[Jecht]

I think Sony can survive without sales of Senran Kagura.

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Nah fam, creepy porn games are their bread and butter on the Playstation 4 Entertainment System

 

[Principate]

Nah fam, creepy porn games are their bread and butter on the Playstation 4 Entertainment System

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Vita sold millions of copies, there are million's I say!!! The Vita 2 is coming out any second now....

 

[rras1994]

As I said it makes little sense to be selective if content unsuitable for children is the reason for this when the rating these games receive already make it clear that they are unsuitable for children.

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Normalising molestation of children can lead to the harm of actual real children - we don't want adults to be able to show this content to children and say it's normal for children of their age.

 

[OldMuffin]

So really dumb thought, but let's forget the creepy child porn sh*t for a second. Could you imagine the sales if Sony has a dedicated porn app with just regular non child porn? I could imagine people buying it just for that. It's amaizng how horny humans are.

 

[Sanox]

How many games that have violent content have you blowing off children's heads? Most games with violence stick strictly to adult characters. Very few depict violence towards children. Detroit handled child abuse fairly well, putting aside the hysteria around it pre-release due to that one scene, and if you play the game there is a further twist anyway.

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A M rated game where you blow someone's head off doesn't really become suitable for children because the head you are blowing up doesn't belong to a kid.

If they don't want certain content then obviously they can do that, as is happening but the reasoning for it as I said makes little sense.

 

[Hercule]

Vita sold millions of copies, there are million's I say!!! The Vita 2 is coming out any second now....

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Because there were so many other games keeping the vita alive. If you don't like the Senran games, don't buy them. There is no reason to keep insulting them.

 

[Jecht]

So really dumb thought, but let's forget the creepy child porn sh*t for a second. Could you imagine the sales if Sony has a dedicated porn app with just regular non child porn? I could imagine people buying it just for that. It's amaizng how horny humans are.

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They already have a web browser that supports HTML5 so I imagine that's already the case.

Because there were so many other games keeping the vita alive. If you don't like the Senran games, don't buy them. There is no reason to keep insulting them.

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Except for all the sexual assault of minors.

 

[Deleted member 3700]

Haha i am also straight male lol. But some of my favorite anime is straight otome anime like Fushugi Yuugi lol so i am okay with otome game.

Geten no Hana by Koei is soo good. U should check it. It also have nobunaga lol.

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Thanks for the recommendation! I may check out some otome games on Switch first. Idea Factory keeps porting / releasing their library to it. And to be honest, I am also interested in checking out games from Nitro+Chiral. I know they are super hardcore, but as I enjoyed my limited time with Soukou Akki Muramasa, I think I should be fine lol.

BTW, I have heard of Fushugi Yuugi. The title is somehow really memorable to me.

 

[Deleted member 888]

A M rated game where you blow someone's head of doesn't really become suitable for children because the head you are blowing up doesn't belong to a kid.

If they don't want certain content then obviously they can do that, as is happening but the reasoning for it as I said makes little sense.

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Sure, but you're ignoring the point I was alluding to. If games started rolling out 15-year-olds getting tortured by Trevor in GTA (with player input) you can bet the game wouldn't get certification either.

Violence in games is overwhelmingly targetted at adult characters, and in the games where it isn't, like Detroit, there is an effort to depict that it's a wrongdoing, or not something the player celebrates. See my edit above, many of these games in question reward the player for molestation, spying, ignoring consent or a perceived lack of consent, on top of the dubious character ages or outright characters at underage numbers.

 

[Leek]

The weird thing is that Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 Scarlet is being released almost unedited.

There are slight changes, which appear to be removing lotion that makes boobs jiggle more, and an option that enables clothing to become loose by default. The loose clothing is still in the game, but only as a natural occurrence while playing. Everything else appears to be intact, including modes which allow you to view the character models close up, even in VR.

Meanwhile there are things that I'd consider much tamer than that being censored because of this new policy, such as all these visual novels. Especially the screen that kicked this all off, of a character in a bikini - something which Dead or Alive Xtreme was built around. It's strange how that one fairly mild screen can't exist while an entire game that has been made out of the same concept can.

It feels like even Sony don't have a clear idea of what they're trying to block.

 

[Kemono]

Well that sucks for them i suppose.

It will change nothing in the grand scheme of things but sony is in their right to ban such games or parts of games they don't deem ok.

I think it's somewhat unfair to regulate the japaense market from the us (how nintendo japan would laugh if reggie ever tried something like this) and i think sony is forgetting some studios which stood by them from the beginning just because they don't need them anymore.

But this is a war the japanese creators can't win. Even if they say the girls in question are 18 or older it's way to easy to push that aside as most anime girls don't look their age outside of clothing and behaviour. In almost all animes you can't tell which girl is 15, 18, 25 or 35. If even otaku can't tell how should anybody be able to do so? The whole Ada Wong looks like she's 16 in the Resident Evil 2 remake discussion is another fun reminder that japanese devs can't win this.

The whole almost-molestation mini-games surely aren't helping one bit and i never understood why these are there in the first place. If you want to beat it to anime the internet is full of that stuff. And with the rise of patreon and other stuff the quality is on the rise as well.

Why do some people need that kind of stuff in their console games? I personally think sony shouldn't tell developers what they can't do anymore even though they were ok with that stuff for years but on the oterh hand it's their console and if the developers don't like it they can go to the switch or the pc. Reggie and others will be very thankful.

But in the end of the day it doesn't move the needle one bit to either side. Even "worse" things are stil legal and available in a few clicks and the only thing this achieves is that some people can browse forums, websites and market places without seeing somewhat-badly-softcore-porn that isn't even softcore porn.

Quite a hollow victory in the end.

 

[casiopao]

Yes, possible. That's what we call a slippery slope argument. Threads like this one has always been locked at some point because people can't contain the discussion about the actual problem at hand.

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So? Let the mod decide whether we have run down the whole things to talk then. Not sure why the need for you to police the thread there.

People all had their own fear there. Some fear their otome or dating sims would be affected due to this new policy.

 

[Thorn]

So? Let the mod decide whether we have run down the whole things to talk then. Not sure why the need for you to police the thread there.

People all had their own fear there. Some fear their otome or dating sims would be affected due to this new policy.

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A dating sim has already been affected by this new policy. Thats what I'm annoyed by.

 

[OldMuffin]

Well that sucks for them i suppose.

It will change nothing in the grand scheme of things but sony is in their right to ban such games or parts of games they don't deem ok.

I think it's somewhat unfair to regulate the japaense market from the us (how nintendo japan would laugh if reggie ever tried something like this) and i think sony is forgetting some studios which stood by them from the beginning just because they don't need them anymore.

But this is a war the japanese creators can't win. Even if they say the girls in question are 18 or older it's way to easy to push that aside as most anime girls don't look their age outside of clothing and behaviour. In almost all animes you can't tell which girl is 15, 18, 25 or 35. If even otaku can't tell how should anybody be able to do so? The whole Ada Wong looks like she's 16 in the Resident Evil 2 remake discussion is another fun reminder that japanese devs can't win this.

The whole almost-molestation mini-games surely aren't helping one bit and i never understood why these are there in the first place. If you want to beat it to anime the internet is full of that stuff. And with the rise of patreon and other stuff the quality is on the rise as well.

Why do some people need that kind of stuff in their console games? I personally think sony shouldn't tell developers what they can't do anymore even though they were ok with that stuff for years but on the oterh hand it's their console and if the developers don't like it they can go to the switch or the pc. Reggie and others will be very thankful.

But in the end of the day it doesn't move the needle one bit to either side. Even "worse" things are stil legal and available in a few clicks and the only thing this achieves is that some people can browse forums, websites and market places without seeing somewhat-badly-softcore-porn that isn't even softcore porn.

Quite a hollow victory in the end.

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Wait there are people that think Ada looks 16? How old is she actually suppose to be? Cause she actually looks like she's in her early to mid 20s if anything.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Wait there are people that think Ada looks 16? How old is she actually suppose to be? Cause she actually looks like she's in her early to mid 20s if anything.

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24 IIRC. Or 22.

 

[OldMuffin]

24 IIRC. Or 22.

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Ya that fits. She looks more like someone straight out of college to me than high school. Maybe I need to have a double take at the screens. These are based on her in her red dress or the trench Coat? Want to make sure that it's not because of something like the 2 models being different or anything.

Edit - ya, sorry can't see it. Might be the hair but she doesn't look like she's in high school.

 

[casiopao]

Thanks for the recommendation! I may check out some otome games on Switch first. Idea Factory keeps porting / releasing their library to it. And to be honest, I am also interested in checking out games from Nitro+Chiral. I know they are super hardcore, but as I enjoyed my limited time with Soukou Akki Muramasa, I think I should be fine lol.

BTW, I have heard of Fushugi Yuugi. The title is somehow really memorable to me.

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Haha no problemo lol. I am also quite picky on otome game lol. Hakuoki is the popular one too.

Harukanaru Toki no Naka de as a series is popular too.^_^ so go enjoy all those games lol.

 

[Sanox]

Sure, but you're ignoring the point I was alluding to. If games started rolling out 15-year-olds getting tortured by Trevor in GTA (with player input) you can bet the game wouldn't get certification either.

Violence in games is overwhelmingly targetted at adult characters, and in the games where it isn't, like Detroit, there is an effort to depict that it's a wrongdoing, or not something the player celebrates. See my edit above, many of these games in question reward the player for molestation, spying, ignoring consent or a perceived lack of consent, on top of the dubious character ages or outright characters at underage numbers.

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I get what you are saying but still think its hypocritical to be selective about games when your reasoning is to go after content unsuitable for children. If there is a specific reason say it and it makes the policy as a whole clearer, even if how it is applied would still be inconsistent as hell

And again as has been said several times it is not just cases of characters with certain ages that got hit.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Ya that fits. She looks more like someone straight out of college to me than high school. Maybe I need to have a double take at the screens. These are based on her in her red dress or the trench Coat? Want to make sure that it's not because of something like the 2 models being different or anything.

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vs

Plus I don't think RE2 is going to have an intimacy mode where you can slap about Ada's tits whilst she's wearing a bikini.

I get what you are saying but still think its hypocritical to be selective about games when your reasoning is to go after content unsuitable for children.

And again as has been said several times it is not just cases of characters with certain ages that got hit.

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Content unsuitable for the market because it arguably abuses children to an unacceptable degree.

 

[casiopao]

A dating sim has already been affected by this new policy. Thats what I'm annoyed by.

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He is talking about otome game or yaoi game though. I dont think there is any example of those game being censored yet.

 

[Eolz]

Said that in the MC thread, but the mismanagement of the SK franchise keeps being more and more disappointing.
I guess it's understandable they're delaying it (again) due to unforeseen events, but it's something they should have planned, and it makes no sense how it's a PS4 exclusive given how sales are doing for this franchise on this platform. Again, they had no issue porting PS3 games to Vita before, and the overpriced spin-offs are doing well on Switch. Takaki still being stubborn over his opinion of this platform and his wish for a Vita 2 at this point in time make no sense whatsoever.
Still looking forward to this game given what they've said about it, but it's really a shame that the series took that direction, and that Marvelous isn't forcing Takaki to change his ways.

Not even talking about Sony's still stupid and inconsistent new rules, it has been talked to death already in multiple threads.
This also doesn't make much sense as they're trying to overrule rating boards and bother mainly small publishers/developers with ever-changing rules.

http://ebitsu.net/archives/77708845.html

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That seems to be just a comment saying that with no source, for fun or something else.

 

[Bayouswampman]

Lets take a moment to remember the Wii U and how Nintendo censored a bunch of their games on it and how now theyve turned 180 degrees and are now allowing basically all the naughty stuff anyone want to put on the Switch. How did they come to point?

Did they realize that censoring their games only turns away people who were planning on buying them to appeal to people who werent going to buy them anyways? Perhaps some genius with a calculator realized that maybe they shouldnt be throwing away free money.

Sony and Nintendo have basically flipped entirely on their positions and I'm really curious as to why. If Sony really wanted to "protect the children" they'd be banning these games outright. I suspect that quote was just a canned response that isnt the actual truth

 

[ShyMel]

??? I dont think he is talking about Yaoi game but more of otome game lol as graphic yaoi hentai game is nowhere in any console platform.

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I thought that at first, but several of Nitro+Chiral titles have made it to the Vita, with edits of course. And for otome games, since a good portion of them started out as console games in the first place, it would be hard to prove if something was censored due to Sony since there is no PC version to compare it to.

 

[OldMuffin]

vs

Plus I don't think RE2 is going to have an intimacy mode where you can slap about Ada's tits whilst she's wearing a bikini.



Content unsuitable for the market because it arguably abuses children to an unacceptable degree.

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Not sure if you're saying she looks 16 or not?

 

[Deleted member 5491]

People who buy these games know why they boguth them.
There is no misunderstanding.

You don't want to be misunderstood and also not having problem with policies and laws?
Make these figures adult, and not some she looks like a loli but is actually 22 years old adult, but
looking and acting adult.
But that wouldn't fit with your targeted fanbase and the actual rating your games would get.

Besides, I'm just tired of these character designs in Anime over the last couple of years and how
so many shows have to tease the possibility to have abb relationship with grls looking like
children or are children. Don't need this in games as well.
Respect your audience and your own creation and create female characters that are actual human begins
and be so honst to yourself and say you wanna have show/games where you can touch some girls.

It is still creepy if you ask me, but at least this so called "misunderstanding" would end.

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In Germany these kinda games are more in focus right now as of being indexed. Maybe it's a movce by Sony to not damage the company rep and protect these Devs from themselves. But who knows?

 

[aerie]

We're locking the thread as we review it. Any users that defend the depiction of the sexulization of minors will be moderated accordingly.