Senate Approves Proposal To Strip Confederate Names From Army Bases By Veto-Proof Majority

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Senate Approves Proposal To Strip Confederate Names From Army Bases By Veto-Proof Majority

The Senate overwhelmingly approved a defense bill on Thursday that included Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-MA) provision requiring the military to rename U.S. bases named after Confederate generals.

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The Senate overwhelmingly approved a defense bill on Thursday that included Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-MA) provision requiring the military to rename U.S. bases named after Confederate generals.

The bill passed by a vote of 86-14, a veto-proof majority that would override President Donald Trump's effort to kill the measure, which he had threatened to do at the end of June after Warren announced her proposal.

"I will Veto the Defense Authorization Bill if the Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren (of all people!) Amendment, which will lead to the renaming (plus other bad things!) of Fort Bragg, Fort Robert E. Lee, and many other Military Bases from which we won Two World Wars, is in the Bill!" he tweeted at the time.

Warren slammed Trump's hostile response on the Senate floor shortly afterward, declaring that the President had "chosen a well-worn path of hatred and division."

"The Confederate soldiers who betrayed the United States to fight for the Confederacy were fighting for the institution of slavery. Plain. Simple. Ugly," the Democratic senator said. "It is time to put the names of those leaders who fought and killed U.S. soldiers in defense of a perverted version of America where they belong, as footnotes in our history books, not plastered on our nation's most significant military installations."

There are currently ten Army bases named after Confederate generals.

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[ThatMeanScene]

He was whining over this defense bill. Too bad for him now.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Ha ha, get fucked President Piss Baby.

 

[chefbags]

So much winning.

 

[Jeremy]

If there's one thing that Republicans love more than racism it's defense spending.

 

[Thordinson]

There are still things wrong with the defense spending bill but it's a good thing that the bases will change their names

 

[Keywork]

If there's one thing that Republicans love more than racism it's defense spending.

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They are doing everything they can to save their seats. A lot of them know their unyielding support for Trump has finally come back to bite them in the ass so they are doing a Hail Mary "Country over Party" maneuver at the 11th hour.

 

[SasaBassa]

This is them trying to turn around their Senate fortunes with an added bit of more military money. Insurance albeit shit insurance. Let's get their asses out.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

This is shocking to me honestly. I mean I know they're finally realizing Trump is rotting meat at this point, but all Republicans know is the double down burger. Even if they abandon Trump, they lose the energized voting base they've cultivated that comes with it come November. They lose whether they defy Agent Orange or not. Good luck with all that.

 

[Tlaloc]

I want Ft. Obama to replace Lee

 

[Inugami]

This is shocking to me honestly. I mean I know they're finally realizing Trump is rotting meat at this point, but all Republicans know is the double down burger. Even if they abandon Trump, they lose the energized voting base they've cultivated that comes with it come November. They lose whether they defy Agent Orange or not. Good luck with all that.

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This bill is 99.9% other things, this isn't about abandoning Trump so much as giving the democrats something so they can claim victory while still pushing through a whole lot of other garbage.

 

[Statik]

Before people celebrate, this isn't finalized. There are two bills, both of which will have to be reconciled before another vote takes place. Trump can also exercise his power of the line item veto, which empowers him with the authority to remove a provision like this. It's all but certain he'll do that, and I think it's also obvious this is political theater in the run up to November, as Republicans pretend that they're not beholden to Trump.

 

[Hecht]

I want Ft. Obama to replace Lee

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That won't happen since they are typically (and required to be? I think?) named after military members.
As much as I disliked him, a Ft. McCain would be hilarious

 

[Mahonay]

Eat shit Cheeto Cunt

 

[The Albatross]

Fort John McCain.

Make it happen.

One point of contention here ... This can still be vetoed. But then it goes back to the senate who affirms it again with a veto proof majority, at which point it becomes law. Sometimes when the president vetos a bill even when it's passed overwhelmingly like in this case, some senators may peel off to keep the president from looking bad

I kinda expect that to happen. Have Republicans table it until 2021 and have Biden sign it and then try to make a culture war out of it.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Trump will just refuse to sign it or sign it and then issue an executive order preventing them from renaming them

 

[Deleted member 49482]

Trump can also exercise his power of the line item veto, which empowers him with the authority to remove a provision like this.

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I thought presidents don't have the authority to line-item veto?

 

[Coyote Starrk]

Fort King

Fort Tubman

Fort Evers

Fort Truth

Fort Anthony



Lets do this.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Sometimes when the president vetos a bill even when it's passed overwhelmingly like in this case, some senators may peel off to keep the president from looking bad

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This motherfucker doesn't need any help on that front.

 

[Statik]

I thought presidents don't have the authority to line-item veto?

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Would seem you're right. It was removed in 98, though Republicans tried and failed to restore it under Bush Jr.

 

[cameron]

Spoiler: twitter text

Kyle Kondik @kkondik

Loeffler is the epitome of the phrase "trying too hard"

Conor Sen @conorsen

You pick the woman to win back "suburban housewives" because she's going to...fight to keep bases named after Confederates.

10:34 PM · Jul 23, 2020
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10:37 PM · Jul 23, 2020




Kelly Loeffler @KLoeffler

As the daughter and granddaughter of veterans, I was proud to stand with @TomCottonAR to fund our military and provide pay raises to the men and women who keep America safe. Nothing is more important to me than backing those who put their lives on the line to protect ours.

I have been clear from the beginning that we do NOT need to rename our bases and I will work with @realDonaldTrump to remove this provision once and for all.

We can't let political games distract us as we strengthen our military, enhance national security, and support our American heroes. We must put America first.

10:12 PM · Jul 23, 2020

 

[JaseMath]

Get fucked, Trump. No one's on your side.

 

[SkyOdin]

Before people celebrate, this isn't finalized. There are two bills, both of which will have to be reconciled before another vote takes place. Trump can also exercise his power of the line item veto, which empowers him with the authority to remove a provision like this. It's all but certain he'll do that, and I think it's also obvious this is political theater in the run up to November, as Republicans pretend that they're not beholden to Trump.

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There is no line item veto.

Occasionally Presidents have pushed for it, but they have never succeeded. The President's veto is all or nothing.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Fort King

Fort Tubman

Fort Evers

Fort Truth

Fort Anthony



Lets do this.

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That might be the thing that actually gives Trump a heart attack.

 

[Coyote Starrk]

That might be the thing that actually gives Trump a heart attack.

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[Ryuelli]

Get fucked fascists!

 

[Deleted member 49482]

Would seem you're right. It was removed in 98, though Republicans tried and failed to restore it under Bush Jr.

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Good stuff! You had me kind of scared for a moment there. I thought you knew something I didn't, or there was some fuckery that happened with the president being granted some sort of limited line item veto authority.

 

[game-biz]

LOL

Stay winning, easy d.

 

[Tlaloc]

That won't happen since they are typically (and required to be? I think?) named after military members.
As much as I disliked him, a Ft. McCain would be hilarious

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Lame but hey we got a lot of black and brown military members to pick from. I nominate Cleto L. Rodriguez, Jose M. Lopez, Vernon Baker and Edward A Carter. All MOH recipient's.

 

[Speevy]

How will the soldiers know how to shoot the gun if their fort isn't named after the slavers

 

[antonz]

Plenty of Legitimate Heroes who have served that should have bases named after them. Many of the Confederate Officers were not even very good at their job. they were simply named after them because it was the south asserting itself.

Fort Rivers seems like a good option.Ruben Rivers WWII MOH

 

[Teapot Jeffries]

FUCK those 14 Senators.

 

[John Rabbit]

FUCK those 14 Senators.

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Well they didn't have 88 Senators so they went with the first number.

 

[Statik]

Good stuff! You had me kind of scared for a moment there. I thought you knew something I didn't, or there was some fuckery that happened with the president being granted some sort of limited line item veto authority.

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lol, no, you're definitely on the money. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump refuses to sign it as a signal to his base, though. It'll still become law, regardless, but he's that racist and petty.

 

[Wetwork]

Good.

 

[sangreal]

veto-proof majority is a meaningless statement. If trump actually follows through with a veto (I doubt it) the votes will change

There is no line item veto.

Occasionally Presidents have pushed for it, but they have never succeeded. The President's veto is all or nothing.

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clinton succeeded in getting it passed but it was quickly ruled unconstitutional

Trump will probably just issue a signing statement saying he will ignore it which is close enough

 

[CommodoreKong]

FUCK those 14 Senators.

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This bill isn't only renaming bases but a general defense bill. Renaming the bases is a tiny part of the bill. I seriously doubt anyone voted no because of the base renaming.

 

[Jeremy]

It must be acknowledged that it's amazing that Warren created this situation.

 

[hateradio]

Before people celebrate, this isn't finalized. There are two bills, both of which will have to be reconciled before another vote takes place. Trump can also exercise his power of the line item veto, which empowers him with the authority to remove a provision like this. It's all but certain he'll do that, and I think it's also obvious this is political theater in the run up to November, as Republicans pretend that they're not beholden to Trump.

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Yeah, it's too early to celebrate.

The unitary traitor in chief can fuck with this. Also the House.

 

[cameron]

WALLACE: But the military says they're for this.​

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TRUMP: …excuse me, excuse me. I don't care what the military says. I do – I'm supposed to make the decision. Fort Bragg is a big deal. We won two World Wars, nobody even knows General Bragg. We won two World Wars. Go to that community where Fort Bragg is, in a great state, I love that state, go to the community, say how do you like the idea of renaming Fort Bragg, and then what are we going to name it​

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We're going to name it after the Reverend Al Sharpton? What are you going to name it, Chris, tell me what you're going to name it? So there's a whole thing here. We won two World Wars, two World Wars, beautiful World Wars that were vicious and horrible, and we won them out of Fort Bragg, we won out of all of these forts that now they want to throw those names away.​

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And, no, I'm against that, and you know what, most other people are. And I even – I don't believe in polls because I see the fakest polls I've ever seen, but that poll is a 64 percent thing, which actually surprised me. We won World Wars out of these military bases. No, I'm not going to go changing them, I'm not going to go changing them.​

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WALLACE: So you'll veto them?​

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TRUMP: I might. Yeah, I might.​

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1284846343333335040

 

[HamSandwich]

WALLACE: But the military says they're for this.​

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TRUMP: …excuse me, excuse me. I don't care what the military says. I do – I'm supposed to make the decision. Fort Bragg is a big deal. We won two World Wars, nobody even knows General Bragg. We won two World Wars. Go to that community where Fort Bragg is, in a great state, I love that state, go to the community, say how do you like the idea of renaming Fort Bragg, and then what are we going to name it​

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We're going to name it after the Reverend Al Sharpton? What are you going to name it, Chris, tell me what you're going to name it? So there's a whole thing here. We won two World Wars, two World Wars, beautiful World Wars that were vicious and horrible, and we won them out of Fort Bragg, we won out of all of these forts that now they want to throw those names away.​

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And, no, I'm against that, and you know what, most other people are. And I even – I don't believe in polls because I see the fakest polls I've ever seen, but that poll is a 64 percent thing, which actually surprised me. We won World Wars out of these military bases. No, I'm not going to go changing them, I'm not going to go changing them.​

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WALLACE: So you'll veto them?​

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TRUMP: I might. Yeah, I might.​

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1284846343333335040

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lmao, way to diminish the sacrifices of WW1and WW2 vets. hes basically saying "we won cause look at these base names"

also beautiful world wars that were vicious and horrible? Which is it?

 

[Caddywompus]

Wow what a lopsided vote in the Senate. Never thought I would see that from this partisan controlled Senate. Is this one of those bills Republicans glossed over when they saw defense funding?

 

[16bits]

lmao, way to diminish the sacrifices of WW1and WW2 vets. hes basically saying "we won cause look at these base names"

also beautiful world wars that were vicious and horrible? Which is it?

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and also for the record Mr Trump, it wasnt USA that "won two world wars", it was the Allied forces.

 

[Kevers]

"It is time to put the names of those leaders who fought and killed U.S. soldiers in defense of a perverted version of America where they belong, as footnotes in our history books, not plastered on our nation's most significant military installations."

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A little louder for the people in the back.

 

[Deleted member 7130]

Fort King

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King was anti war and anti imperialist

 

[CommodoreKong]

Wow what a lopsided vote in the Senate. Never thought I would see that from this partisan controlled Senate. Is this one of those bills Republicans glossed over when they saw defense funding?

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Renaming bases is a small part of this bill, it doesn't appear to be the main focus of the bill at all.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Wow what a lopsided vote in the Senate. Never thought I would see that from this partisan controlled Senate. Is this one of those bills Republicans glossed over when they saw defense funding?

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Republicans got everything they wanted and all they had to do was throw a bone about renaming bases to Dems.

 

[Kevers]

Republicans got everything they wanted and all they had to do was throw a bone about renaming bases to Dems.

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Oh cool, a Pyrrhic victory.

 

[Sunster]

Wow what a lopsided vote in the Senate. Never thought I would see that from this partisan controlled Senate. Is this one of those bills Republicans glossed over when they saw defense funding?

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republicans don't actually care about the names. that was just something to yell about in front of their easily manipulated voters. they don't care about anything other than money and staying in power. this deal enriched people who will in turn enrich them and keep them in power.

 

[Deleted member 7130]

Rename the bases for what the military really fights on behalf of.

Raytheon, Exxon, Halliburton