again, just funny that less than a week ago lots a folk had such huge concerns about this and now? :poof:
also unions negotiate for their workers. that's what they do, that's why they exist.
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again, just funny that less than a week ago lots a folk had such huge concerns about this and now? :poof:
also unions negotiate for their workers. that's what they do, that's why they exist.
Encouraging his staff to unionize is basically admitting "I'm not perfect and management isn't perfect, if and when we fuck up, it's important that you, the workers, push back"
How Bernie critics are taking this: "YOU GUYS SEE? BERNIE ISN'T FLAWLESS. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE MESSED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO MUCH FOR THE SOCIALIST LEFT."
The more reasonable take: "Bernie is cognizant of the potential for power hierarchies to overwhelm the concerns of workers, so it's better to empower the workers than assume that he'll never trip up or make mistakes because in some sense hierarchy is inherently exploitative and expecting one person to be able to fix all problems in an organization is naive. Democratization of power is the surest and most consistent path towards general equality."
How Bernie critics are taking this: "YOU GUYS SEE? BERNIE ISN'T FLAWLESS. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE MESSED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO MUCH FOR THE SOCIALIST LEFT."
The more reasonable take: "Bernie is cognizant of the potential for power hierarchies to overwhelm the concerns of workers, so it's better to empower the workers than assume that he'll never trip up or make mistakes because in some sense hierarchy is inherently exploitative and expecting one person to be able to fix all problems in an organization is naive. Democratization of power is the surest and most consistent path towards general equality."
The union agreed to the original pay rate. When the union came back and said the pay rate wasn't working out, management started negotiating.
Where is the screw up here?
I receive a salary and can get overtime (not cash but time in lieu). I'm in Canada, though a lot of people here also suggest that salary means no OT. If a contract states that the salary is for a specific number of hours, there should be a mechanism in place to ensure something happens when employees are asked to work longer.
It's almost like some people are pretending there's some scandal when it's a simple case of collective bargaining at work.
For real.. how the fuck are you going around talking about pay and minimum wage when your own fucking campaign is having pay issues??
One of the proposals was for a 40 hour week, but the union rejected it. The workers want to work more than that.
Sure they do. The proposal was likely for 40hrs and a deal less in salary. No one "wants" to work 50hrs a week on salary when given the choice of that or 40. Good on them for taking care of this though
They refused it becasue they were getting paid less.Bernie needs to put his money where his mouth is.
They were given an offer of of 40 with an effective annual salary of 15/h. They wanted 60 (the hours they're used to) with an effective annual salary of 15/h. They settled on 50. Yes, the campaign staff actually want more hours, it's probably because they believe in virtues of the campaign.
No they weren't. I crunched the math here, because I don't have access to the negotiation particulars obviously.
$42k for 50 hour weeks is: $42,000/(46w * 50h/w) = ~18/h.
That's literally what I wrote. 40 with less in salary. I didn't write less in what it worked out to hourly
I realize the second part of my previous post makes it unclear but I was more pointing out that they're not trying to work 50hrs a week for the same salary as 40
Literal case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. As an outsider sanders seems like the most competent d transparent progressive candidate (with his age of course being the only potential downside) yet "progressive era" attitudes towards him , by and large, appear to range from irritation all the way to hatred. Is it not in your own long term self-interests to support the, seemingly, most competent candidate
They were being paid $36,000 per year according to the original contract, but it turned out they were working 60 hours a week, and $36,000 per year at $60h/w came down to less than $15/h. They were offered $42,000 and a weekly cap of 40 hours by Shakir, the management rep.
In what way, shape, or form, is $42,000 and 40h/w less than $36,000 and 60h/w?
For the record, the union's counterdemands were $46,800 and 60h/w. So yes, $42k is less than $46.8k, is this what you were referring to?
Nobody can really answer these questions for any of the others campaigns.
From my understanding only the Bernie campaign has this info out there in regards to hours, pay rate and medical coverage. From what I gather they get at least $15/hour, 20 days of PTO and healthcare paid for.
Seems the campaign also had parental leave options and access to a gas card when on the road.
I really think it's time we start poking and prodding some other campaigns to make sure they at least have everything I've mentioned in my last two posts. You know since so many are concerned about campaign staff workers.
I really think it's time we start poking and prodding some other campaigns to make sure they at least have everything I've mentioned in my last two posts. You know since so many are concerned about campaign staff workers.
My mistake. I'm working on virtually no sleep today and I think I misunderstood what happened here. I didn't realize there was an increased counter offer at 40hrs I thought it was only at the extended hours
The resentment elements within Era still have towards Bernie over 2016 is equal parts disheartening and disappointing, and frankly quite pathetic really.
Okay, get some sleep friend.
Yeah you'd have to be really deep into it to know these details but people just want to get their digs in so now we're here. It's understandable.
It really is, especially when the "concern" doesn't extend beyond Bernie and his campaign. It makes it transparent as all hell.
I think we need to understand their union process. I am guessing it isn't grunt workers making these deals but elected people within the union who do it. I think the only way we know what the results are is if people talk to workers in the union from different areas and get their perspective.
So I wonder if the unlawfully discharged employee is tied to the public leaking of the union negotiations initially.
I think it's easy to turn around.
Americans have such a distaste for unions that this seems bad but the union worked and I don't think Bernie or the higher ups had bad intentions. This is unprecedented territory and it worked out well.
So anyone could have filed that suit and wouldn't have to be someone in the campaign huh?
Call me nutter but it's a bit odd that on the day both sides are meeting to hash out an agreement we get news about "turmoil".
Today we get an agreement from both sides and now we get news about a lawsuit.
Call me nutter but it's a bit odd that on the day both sides are meeting to hash out an agreement we get news about "turmoil".
Today we get an agreement from both sides and now we get news about a lawsuit.
Hope it's the "leaker" honestly. They dont deserve to be on the campaign, especially if it was lies
Anyone can file the complaint yes but the timing of it being filed the *day* after the news leaked should at least give you pause. Specifically the part about employees being punished for something unlawfully. Still its not anything until it's been investigated
Don't be so quick to proclaim victory because some posters didn't show up immediately to a thread, its disingenuous. Of course people are concerned, it's possible to dislike Bernie with plausible reasons. It's not like he's a god who dared to grace his campaign with unions so every criticism about how he runs his campaign is off-limits.
Curious how none of his followers officially took his side during this struggle, huh?
I'm pro-union, btw.
Yes.
Forum's fairly split on Bernie, unless half the leftist posters here are sock puppets. You need to chill, people are ok to dislike Bernie.
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Well? Kirblar Autodidact
Noticed you had some spicy takes (Scoville scale'd) on things of this nature lately, just wanted to know your thoughts on it
I have always been a proud supporter of unions and collective bargaining and recognize the role they've played in bolstering labor rights and giving working people a decent standard of living. I feel overjoyed that the union secured better pay and working conditions for its members and triumphed against management trying to pay them less than their worth. Moreover, I believe this episode emphasizes the importance of unions in every field and shows how they protect workers from exploitation.
This is good, that this dragged on for two months is bad, and the labor complaint could be bad if it's retaliation for the union leaking the story, but we don't know enough to make a judgment on that. If you thought my takes on this were "spicy" you were clearly imagining something else.
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If you don't like the heat, stay indoors. We just wanted your opinion on this matter.
I don't mind getting tagged when I've participated in a convo or it's related to specific posts, when someone has a specific query. Getting tagged out of the blue by the person with the Buffalo Bill wannabe username with a "Well" ain't that.
And who the fuck is "we" here?
Why would they need to respond when they were already paying their campaign workers more than Bernie did?