Then people will still ask them to.
From is free to make the games however they want.
People are free to ask whatever they want of them, and/or state their opinion.
It's not that hard of a notion.
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Sekiro success, sales, and winning Game of the Year is a huge strike against the "difficulty equals bad" notion
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From is free to make the games however they want.
People are free to ask whatever they want of them, and/or state their opinion.
It's not that hard of a notion.
Whether something "feels more precise" to you absolutely in no way guarantees that it actually is more precise
Depends how you look at it. The removal of a lot of the RPG elements in Sekiro compared to prior From games means that success is based primarily on player performance. So it's up to you what you would consider "easier":
- the fact that once you "learn" a boss, you can practically beat them in your sleep because that knowledge is the only real factor, stats are not part of the equation
- the fact that even if you never "learn" a boss, you can still grind your way to higher stats and beat the boss anyway
lmao entitled gamer right there. "I'm not good at this game, so that makes it bad". Jesus...
Different type of difficulty so there's no real answer. How good are you at Dance Dance Revolution? Have you played Metal Gear Rising before?
This. It really isn't hard to understand. Adding an easier difficulty or letting players pause in Offline Souls doesn't hurt the core experience in any way.
You'll be fine. The level up grind for the plat is the more annoying part but if you've done Souls you won't have an issue there.
Difficulty options and accessibility options aren't synonymous.
It's different and has a learning curve but you won't have major issues. Just give it time to click.
Accessibility options are never a bad thing.
At the same time, developers should be able to make whatever kind of game that they want to make. If they don't want to give the player multiple difficulty options then they shouldn't be lambasted for it. I also think that there's a pretty big difference between changing the balance of gameplay systems and things like subtitles or color blind options. Developer's should be encouraged to incorporate the latter but at the end of the day... "difficulty" is extremely subjective. It's pretty much impossible for a game to cater to everyone in this regard. You also have to consider that developers are on limited budgets and under strict time limits. Completely rebalancing a game can take a lot of time, especially if you want those difficulty settings to have any thought put into them. And it can potentially double or triple the amount of playtesting needed.
At the same time, developers should be able to make whatever kind of game that they want to make. If they don't want to give the player multiple difficulty options then they shouldn't be lambasted for it. I also think that there's a pretty big difference between changing the balance of gameplay systems and things like subtitles or color blind options. Developer's should be encouraged to incorporate the latter but at the end of the day... "difficulty" is extremely subjective. It's pretty much impossible for a game to cater to everyone in this regard. You also have to consider that developers are on limited budgets and under strict time limits. Completely rebalancing a game can take a lot of time, especially if you want those difficulty settings to have any thought put into them. And it can potentially double or triple the amount of playtesting needed.
Only if you agree it should have won, I think there are fairly valid reasons to believe it should not have, namely how few people were seemingly able to finish it.
Not a part of the usual debate here, but personally I'd love the option to turn the perilous attack cue off (the red kanji and popup sound). I beat most of the bosses with audio off because of it.
way to be extremely hostile and toxic over a super mild remark
I couldn't even beat the final boss and i play all my games on hard. Maybe im just bad at timing my movements
relax. i'm just saying you shouldn't be overly dismissive. don't act like you know everything, because even if you're right, other people see things differently than you do.
i'd hardly consider that "extremely hostile and toxic", but if you do, then apologies
That's a good one, I'd turn off the sound that plays when you get a backstab or finishing blow. That sound got super repetitive.
Ok? I'm not even sure why you bothered to respond to me. But thanks for trying I guess?
You asked What if etc etc. I said Then people will still etc etc. It's unclear to me why you're defensive/snippy about this?
They don't play anything alike.
The enjoyment you get out of Sekiro is directly related to overcoming the challenge in the game.
If you have it on PC, I'm pretty sure there's a mod for adjusting (and removing?) the perilous attack cues. Then again, if you had it on PC you'd have probably already checked for that, but just in case I thought I'd let you know.
Options are part of the game too. I think the fact that From Software hasn't added a discrete easy mode to their big action games from the last decade shows they recognize that. Not having any options (aside from the various builds and multiplayer system from the Souls games) means that everyone who plays the game has to go through the same type of experiences, roughly - everyone who reaches Anor Londo or the lordvessel beyond that in Dark Souls has shared similarly triumphant moments.
I think this is a big part of From's design ethos, and it's what their diehard fans are in love with - the strong mechanics, relatively high difficulty, and strong art design come together to make their games feel like cohesive, believable, dangerous adventures. Giving the player a menu option that simplifies the game would take away from that, and the fact that no such option is there gives their games character.
It's also worth mentioning that creating an easy mode so that people who wouldn't or perhaps physically couldn't play the game otherwise isn't really "letting them play it". Games are mostly made up of their mechanics, and the way learning to interface and interact with them sparks your brain into action. Creating a simplified, less-potentially-engaging alternate mode for your game isn't necessarily letting more people play your game; it's just creating a subgame on the side.
Yep. They don't owe it to anyone to make sure they can beat their games. They should make the experiences they want to make.
If your take from the argument was "Difficulty is bad" as being the main point of discussion. It shows how little you were looking at the conversation to begin with.
Gotta love how this game has brought to the forefront who here believes in gatekeeping accessibility.
Visual impairment? We should demand larger subtitles and colour blindness options. Hard of hearing? We demand subtitles, including for things like important sounds offscreen and passive npc dialogue, and UI informing you the direction of bullets.
Motor impairment? Whelp, not every game is for everyone.
(We should be demanding accessibility for all)
Visual impairment? We should demand larger subtitles and colour blindness options. Hard of hearing? We demand subtitles, including for things like important sounds offscreen and passive npc dialogue, and UI informing you the direction of bullets.
Motor impairment? Whelp, not every game is for everyone.
(We should be demanding accessibility for all)
I played it on a base PS4, much to my dismay. 😭
The input lag and frame rate is so bad on that at times.
I mean... journalists chose Sekiro as game of the year. Clearly they are in agreement with the idea that it's amazing.
From shouldn't be doing it for the balancing aspects alone. And I'm not talking about easier modes being unbalanced. Look at the crapshoots that result more often than not when devs put in multiple difficulties. God of War's hard difficulty for example was balanced so badly. Every normal enemy a wall to climb earlygame and later on everything becomes a joke. Let's not even start on "Give me God of War".
I'm really glad I can play a challenging game that's actually balanced around that difficulty without becoming an unfun mess where "you die in one hit, isn't this hard??!" is the baseline for games that aren't designed around it.
I'm really glad I can play a challenging game that's actually balanced around that difficulty without becoming an unfun mess where "you die in one hit, isn't this hard??!" is the baseline for games that aren't designed around it.
I've just finished the game this week and as a player who finished and played all the previous Souls game, I think it's not that difficult in general as people say on the internet. Bloodborne DLC, DS2 and DS3 felt way harder to me.
However I think Sekiro is the most punishable of those games, you take A LOT of damage for a mistake (Death penalty and Dragonrot are overrated tho, playing a psychological aspect of the punishment) and honestly I think none would lose anything if they've added a item to reduce damage and make the game easier for more people to enjoy it.
Hell you even got options like de Demon Bell and going charmless to increase difficulty, why not put in something to aliviate it for those who just want to chill and enjoy the story / world / characters? You had that option with the summoning on previous Miyazaki titles, so it would be nothing new or to be 'ashamed of'.
The fact that it won an award doesn't mean that it couldn't do better as a more accessible single player experience imo.
However I think Sekiro is the most punishable of those games, you take A LOT of damage for a mistake (Death penalty and Dragonrot are overrated tho, playing a psychological aspect of the punishment) and honestly I think none would lose anything if they've added a item to reduce damage and make the game easier for more people to enjoy it.
Hell you even got options like de Demon Bell and going charmless to increase difficulty, why not put in something to aliviate it for those who just want to chill and enjoy the story / world / characters? You had that option with the summoning on previous Miyazaki titles, so it would be nothing new or to be 'ashamed of'.
The fact that it won an award doesn't mean that it couldn't do better as a more accessible single player experience imo.
That brings a side question, would people be fine if refunds requests were motivated by difficulty?I don't think people hate difficulty. They may feel frustrated when the learning curve is too long, or that games do not give them ways to progress.. And sometimes this is subjective and depend on people. I will never enjoy bullet hells because I feel even with efforts I will only improve so far, and not enough to make the experience enjoyable.
They absolutely are when a game's difficulty is tied to precision of input (like Sekiro).
And difficulty is part of that. The way every enemy you come across can easily kill you if you're not paying attention, the wagering of whether to return to the last checkpoint or push on into unknown territory and find the next, even when low on health and out of healing items.. all that ads to the opressive and bleak atmosphere. I feel like people underestimate this a lot.
I think this is a solid point that some FROM diehards will completely gloss over and ignore.
There has never been a case of someone having access to more options ruining someone elses experience with the game. What one individual does with their own personal experience and enjoyment of the game doesn't have a negative impact for anyone else. There are folks that seem to speak on behalf of the development team in a myopic fashion and not consider the benefit of more folks being able to enjoy the game.
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I would've liked Sekiro more on an easier difficulty and more options is always good. The easy mode 'campaign' wasn't even a real thing until the people vehemently against it got their panties in a twist (it's still not really a thing and pretty much everyone except OP moved on).
No one speaks out against larger subtitles or color blind options.
BTW There is a audio and visual cue for when you're spotted by enemies. Even the ones who have guns.
People aren't speaking on behalf of the devs in a myopic fashion, the very fact they didn't put in multiple difficulties in 6 games now, spanning an entire decade, speaks for itself. People don't have to speak for the devs, the devs make their intention and way of game design very, very clear. It's the people that still can't come to terms with that after 10 freaking years that start this discussion every single time a new game releases and come across as if they know better than the actual devs of the games lol.
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fuck off with this. everyone is owed what they pay for, especially when its only a goddamn OPTION
god i despise the soulsborne community
artistic vision can eat my ass
Demanding what you want is fine and I encourage you to do so.
But are you saying that "not every game is for everyone" is invalid? Because it seems incredibly self evident to me that not every game is for everyone, nor should they be.
Motor impairment does not give a single goddamn shit about audio visual clues
what do you people not understand about it not being about whether you can "learn" the game or not.