Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Previews Thread [See Staff Posts]

Masagiwa · Mar 7, 2019

Sekiro having a devcount at around 80-90 people is damn impressive. These guys are efficent and smart when it comes to designing games. They stick to their strenghts.

From used to pump out titles yearly for almost two decades. Sure a lot of their older stuff was trash but they knew how to get job done.

Poimandres · Mar 7, 2019

Zemst said:
I actualy wish nioh's level design kept the quality of the levels given to us in the beta. I feel like nioh is still the best "soulslike" outside of fromsoft and they have something going for them with some more improvements.

I'm actually quite excited for Nioh 2 because I think this is where the improvements will be. The combat is already extremely impressive.

DarkFlame92 · Mar 7, 2019

NLCPRESIDENT said:
Day 0 babe!

I'd like this steelbook at least being sold as a limited edition...Damn

lvl 99 Pixel · Mar 7, 2019

theotherMittens said:
Does anybody still think this looks too much like Nioh?

Nioh felt like it was largely about having multiple main weapons with the 3 stances and a crazy amount of loot drops and an instance mission based progression.
I don't see too many similarities really.

Odeko · Mar 7, 2019

That Naive Cube!! said:
No Souls game has been. Hasn't stopped them from being the best games I've played in quite sometime.

It's funny to see a post like this with that 60 dollar price thread. It's easy to see why publishers and developers chase extreme graphical fidelity when in one fell swoop, someone like yourself can look past all a game's obvious merits just to make a reductive shitpost.

I have all the console graphical juggernauts of this generation but funny enough, not a single one has held my attention like a Soulsborne game. And after beating them, I've been unable to go back to a single one.

But to each their own, I guess.

I actually think Dark Souls 3 is still the best looking game this gen. Sekiro might be a slight step back for me on that front but that's only because I'm such a sucker for gothic cathedrals.

I'm definitely open to being won over by the Japanese castles though.

DoubleTake · Mar 7, 2019

Masagiwa said:
Sekiro having a devcount at around 80-90 people is damn impressive. These guys are efficent and smart when it comes to designing games. They stick to their strenghts.

From used to pump out titles yearly for almost two decades. Sure a lot of their older stuff was trash but they knew how to get job done.

Wait really? 80-90? That's incredible if true. And the game will be at least 20 hours long with great gameplay throughout and an engaging story. Other devs need to take notes.

Mathieran · Mar 7, 2019

Sorry if it's been brought up but has From talked about their dlc plans?

HStallion · Mar 7, 2019

DoubleTake said:
Wait really? 80-90? That's incredible if true. And the game will be at least 20 hours long with great gameplay throughout and an engaging story. Other devs need to take notes.

Considering what kind of special hell working in Japan can be like I'd be careful before making these statements lol

Odeko · Mar 7, 2019

Mathieran said:
Sorry if it's been brought up but has From talked about their dlc plans?

Not to my knowledge (other than there won't be any microtransactions)

I'll be really bummed if we don't get an Artorias of the Abyss-style expansion like all their other soulsikes. The lead up to those is almost as fun as the lead up to the game itself.

DoubleTake · Mar 7, 2019

HStallion said:
Considering what kind of special hell working in Japan can be like I'd be careful before making these statements lol

Thiiis is also true...lol

Mathieran said:
Sorry if it's been brought up but has From talked about their dlc plans?

Interestingly enough I havent seen any interviews that mention anything DLC.

Skux · Mar 7, 2019

22 March, I won't even be done with DMC5 by then lol... what a great time for games.

Mathieran · Mar 7, 2019

Odeko said:
Not to my knowledge (other than there won't be any microtransactions)

I'll be really bummed if we don't get an Artorias of the Abyss-style expansion like all their other soulsikes. The lead up to those is almost as fun as the lead up to the game itself.

I'm expecting an expansion or two, but confirmation would be nice. It will definitely influence my purchasing plans.

Masagiwa · Mar 7, 2019

DoubleTake said:
Wait really? 80-90? That's incredible if true. And the game will be at least 20 hours long with great gameplay throughout and an engaging story. Other devs need to take notes.

Gameinformer had a cover trip there and asked Miyazaki about the team size for Sekiro. He mentioned it was similar to Bloodborne & DS3 around 80-100 people. Some of the Bloodborne leads are on Sekiro atm. The other half of their devs are working on unannounced stuff.

HStallion · Mar 7, 2019

Skux said:
22 March, I won't even be done with DMC5 by then lol... what a great time for games.

Yeah this is me as well. I barely finished RE2 before DMC5 is set to arrive.

Odeko · Mar 7, 2019

Mathieran said:
I'm expecting an expansion or two, but confirmation would be nice. It will definitely influence my purchasing plans.

The one thing that has me worried is that as much as I'm tired of people hand-wringing over the Activision thing... wouldn't Activison have encouraged them sell a season's pass like DaS2 and 3? It's a little weird that that's missing.

Skux said:
22 March, I won't even be done with DMC5 by then lol... what a great time for games.

I'm going out of town for FIVE DAYS and I'm LEAVING the 22nd.

I'm kicking myself for scheduling the trip then. I didn't even think about it until it was too late

butman · Mar 7, 2019

On which hardware the previews were played?

Deleted member 3058 · Mar 7, 2019

theotherMittens said:
Does anybody still think this looks too much like Nioh?

I don't think Nioh looks anything like this. Despite their surface level similarities, they're both going for completely different looks and I think that's awesome.

I'm super excited for Nioh 2, just as I'm super excited for Sekiro. We don't need to pit these games against each other, really.

Masagiwa · Mar 7, 2019

butman said:
On which hardware the previews were played?

Mostly PC running at 60. The previews in London seemed to have been on PS4.

Sanctuary · Mar 7, 2019

theotherMittens said:
Does anybody still think this looks too much like Nioh?

Not exactly, because it looks more like Tenchu, which came out two decades prior. Since the reveal however, it did look quite a bit like Ninja Gaiden combat wise, so it at least did remind me of Team Ninja.

CenturionNami said:
By that standard Demon looked too samey to Dark Souls.

That's a strange comparison considering Dark Souls looked a hell of a lot like Demon's Souls for many reasons.

Magic Mushroom said:
Disagree. Awesome art direction and animation.

Neither of which they said anything about. I actually thought the graphics looked similar on this gen compared to how Dark Souls 2 looked last gen. FROM's games since 2009 have never been graphical powerhouses aside from some armors and maybe a boss or two. That doesn't prevent them from still being some of the best looking anyway.

Mifec · Mar 7, 2019

Wamb0wneD said:
and some of DuskGolem's theories gives me hope it will.

Forget those tbh.

Black Chamber said:
Is the Firecracker just an extension of the Flame Vent prosthetic, or is it a unique Shinobi Prosthetic attachment?

It's own thing. The father mentioned here is the armored knight seen in some gifs in this thread.

aspiring · Mar 7, 2019

Do we know if the HUD can either be turned off or be dynamic?

More_Badass · Mar 7, 2019

Mifec said:
Forget those tbh.

It's own thing. The father mentioned here is the armored knight seen in some gifs in this thread.

Dying, or rather defying death, seems to a pretty big part of the lore so far. Reminds me of all the talk of blood in Bloodborne. The protagonist can resurrect due to his special bloodline, which is tied to Dragonrot. The guy in the hub can't die. This mentions "the power of the Undying"

Is there any specific Japanese folklore or myths tied to death, resurrection, corruption? I could see any twists or horror stuff being tied to that

Art Vandelay · Mar 7, 2019

This is going to scratch that Soulsborne itch, I can feel it. Review copies or not, I'm there day one.

John Frost · Mar 7, 2019

That Dragonrot thing really seems to be a big part of the game, in the sense that every player will be faced to it. Even the good ones.. in the previews the npc's would start to get sick already, imagine in the full game.

More_Badass · Mar 7, 2019

John Frost said:
That Dragonrot thing really seems to be a big part of the game, in the sense that every player will be faced to it. Even the good ones.. in the previews the npc's would start to get sick already, imagine in the full game.

It sounds like this game's Insight. I can only imagine that there will be very drastic consequences, both narratively and mechanically

HStallion · Mar 7, 2019

More_Badass said:
It sounds like this game's Insight. I can only imagine that there will be very drastic consequences, both narratively and mechanically

I actually hope they take it a couple steps further than insight. I actually thought the whole insight system was dramatically undercooked in BB and didn't amount to all that much.

John Frost · Mar 7, 2019

More_Badass said:
It sounds like this game's Insight. I can only imagine that there will be very drastic consequences, both narratively and mechanically

Yeah that's what I thought as well, but maybe even more fleshed out in this one.

Lusankya · Mar 7, 2019

aspiring said:
Do we know if the HUD can either be turned off or be dynamic?

You could do so in Dark Souls 3, so it's safe to assume you will be able to do it again.

theotherMittens · Mar 7, 2019

BigBluePig said:
What? No. Even the environments are completely different looking despite the games taking place in more-or-less the same setting. And the gameplay looks absolutely nothing like Nioh

Haha, I wasn't meaning to imply that I think that. Just wondering if this footage had convinced those that still did. And apparently for some people it hasn't.

Mathieran · Mar 7, 2019

Odeko said:
The one thing that has me worried is that as much as I'm tired of people hand-wringing over the Activision thing... wouldn't Activison have encouraged them sell a season's pass like DaS2 and 3? It's a little weird that that's missing.

I'm going out of town for FIVE DAYS and I'm LEAVING the 22nd.

I'm kicking myself for scheduling the trip then. I didn't even think about it until it was too late

Yeah, From is one of the companies we actually want dlc from. I don't know historically when they normally announce it though.

jviggy43 · Mar 7, 2019

Mathieran said:
Yeah, From is one of the companies we actually want dlc from. I don't know historically when they normally announce it though.

Yep. From dlc is usually always the best parts of the game.

What-ok · Mar 7, 2019

jviggy43 said:
Yep. From dlc is usually always the best parts of the game.

Funny to talk DLC before the game drops, but I agree the DLC we got for the souls games and BB where amazing.

HStallion · Mar 7, 2019

I can't wait to spend $5 to remove all dragonrot that's built up in my game.

theotherMittens · Mar 7, 2019

HStallion said:
Considering what kind of special hell working in Japan can be like I'd be careful before making these statements lol

Yeah, working conditions at FromSoft seem to be... less than great, according to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/5nqu0w/what_its_like_working_at_from_software/

Average salary: Approx $30,000 USD

Job hours satisfaction= 1.7/5.0

Challenging job = 4.4/5.0

Stressfree level = 2.7/5.0

Annual leave satisfaction = 3.4/5.0

Pay satisfaction = 2.0/5.0

White % (i.e. overall satisfaction, and how well they treat employees) = 2.1/5.0

The site these figures comes from appears to be constantly updated, but it's in Japanese so I can't read it. Looks like things are a little better now (2.5 star overall satisfaction) but still...

https://careerconnection.jp/review/569991-overview.html

I waa hoping they'd be able to treat their employees better with their recent success so that's disappointing.

shadowhaxor · Mar 7, 2019

Datajoy said:
Is that true? I thought that as of the Gamescom demo, the revive meter could be refilled after death and used repeatedly. That may have changed though.

Several people that have played it have stated that, but it's implied that you can push that back up. You only have a few seconds that you can revive so that you can't abuse the system.

Poimandres · Mar 7, 2019

More_Badass said:
It sounds like this game's Insight. I can only imagine that there will be very drastic consequences, both narratively and mechanically

More like Demons Souls world tendency I hope, but not quite as... Esoteric.

More_Badass · Mar 7, 2019

Poimandres said:
More like Demons Souls world tendency I hope, but not quite as... Esoteric.

The sound of it makes it seem like a corruption. Didn't tendency just cause events to happen and have minor gameplay changes? I imagine Dragonrot would be more of a gradual shift in the world, enemies, characters, etc.

Edit: it would be cool if enemies become more mutated and twisted throughout the game. Like the human enemies and familiar seemingly-normal environments become more corrupted and otherworldly due to growing Dragonrot. Imagine if what starts as a regular human soldier becomes a The Thing/Junji Ito-type demonic aberration by the end

Odeko · Mar 7, 2019

Mathieran said:
Yeah, From is one of the companies we actually want dlc from. I don't know historically when they normally announce it though.

Plus we need the DLC for Miyazaki to leave an out-of-place character as a hint of his next game's setting.

moonbeam · Mar 7, 2019

DarkFlame92 said:
that snake stabbed in the eye was the biggest spoiler for me. I was fine with the rest,but goddamn. I'd like to have found that myself

yeah, same here

Stoze · Mar 7, 2019

God I can't wait for this game. It looks so well designed, I love how health kind of takes a backseat to the posture system and how bosses and stronger enemies have to be dealt multiple killing blows. Unseen Aid reminds me of Into the Breach's grid defense chance; RNG that works because it's in service of the player and because you typically don't expect it to proc.

Guildenstern · Mar 7, 2019

DarkFlame92 said:
that snake stabbed in the eye was the biggest spoiler for me. I was fine with the rest,but goddamn. I'd like to have found that myself

The snake is not dead yet and then looks even more angry

Poimandres · Mar 7, 2019

More_Badass said:
The sound of it makes it seem like a corruption. Didn't tendency just cause events to happen and have minor gameplay changes? I imagine Dragonrot would be more of a gradual shift in the world, enemies, characters, etc.

Edit: it would be cool if enemies become more mutated and twisted throughout the game. Like the human enemies and familiar seemingly-normal environments become more corrupted and otherworldly due to growing Dragonrot. Imagine if what starts as a regular human soldier becomes a The Thing/Junji Ito-type demonic aberration by the end

World tendency ran quite a bit deeper than that. Enemy difficulty, item drop rates, black phantoms appearing etc: http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency

I don't think it was particularly well implemented, but insight didn't really amount to much of anything!

It would be cool if dragonrot doesn't only have negative impacts. Could be that infected standard enemies are actually weaker. Honestly I'm not expecting too much from this aspect. I think it will be more like a major story element and it spreads regardless (with minor world changes). People worried about being punished for dying are probably blowing things out of proportion.

Well, maybe. We'll see soon enough

Vic_Viper · Mar 7, 2019

I wonder what the Dragonrot mechanic will look like in the game. I guess if you die too many times you start affecting NPCs, who get sick or something becuase of something called Dragonrot. I hope theres a way to get rid of it.

EDIT:
LOL just saw its being talked about already rigth above me. Doop.

I do hope theres a way to get rid of it though if its pretty drastic overall. I would hate to have to restart the game because I died too many times, which I know will happen lol.

Deleted member 37233 · Mar 7, 2019

Odeko said:
Plus we need the DLC for Miyazaki to leave an out-of-place character as a hint of his next game's setting.

I only remember the Marvellous Chester in the Dark Souls 1 DLC, which now seems like a Bloodborne tease.
Can you show me other examples?

Poimandres · Mar 8, 2019

Vic_Viper said:
I wonder what the Dragonrot mechanic will look like in the game. I guess if you die too many times you start affecting NPCs, who get sick or something becuase of something called Dragonrot. I hope theres a way to get rid of it.

EDIT:
LOL just saw its being talked about already rigth above me. Doop.

I do hope theres a way to get rid of it though if its pretty drastic overall. I would hate to have to restart the game because I died too many times, which I know will happen lol.

There was an item that mentioned curing Dragonrot (which is the coolest term I've heard in ages) but what that actually means... Nobody really knows!

What-ok · Mar 8, 2019

Lichtsang said:
I only remember the Marvellous Chester in the Dark Souls 1 DLC, which now seems like a Bloodborne tease (but that would be pretty early?).
Can you show me other examples?

Yamamura?

Deleted member 36543 · Mar 8, 2019

Can't wait for this. Hopefully it's as good as bloodborne.

Deleted member 37233 · Mar 8, 2019

What-ok said:
Yamamura?

Sadly I only played Dark Souls 1 - 3, but thank you! That's a neat little teaser.

Pixieking · Mar 8, 2019

I've been dipping in-and-out of the thread, so apologies if already asked/answered...

Any news on the digital soundtrack - especially in flac/hi-res flac - beyond it being offered in the collector's edition? Steam pre-order has a mini-soundtrack, but a) mini-soundtracks are dumb, and b) it'll almost certainly be mp3.

McSoda · Mar 8, 2019

DarkFlame92 said:
I'd like this steelbook at least being sold as a limited edition...Damn

yeah i want the steelbook too because, DS1, DS2, and BB cover arts are reminiscent of it

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