Pretty sure you missed your window. Happened to me too. :|
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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!
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Pretty sure you missed your window. Happened to me too. :|
Used the same approach. Crappy bossfight. It's just a drawn out fight... which is my biggest problem with Sekiro. It's feels like the game constantly wants to test your concentration, because whenever you make a mistake nearly all bosses cuts you down in 1-2 hits and you have to start over.
And for this specific boss, then you also have to skip through that same dialogue and cutscene each time... Definitely not FromSoft's brightest moment.
From the man itself:
"I personally want my games to be described as satisfying rather than difficult," Miyazaki said. "However, I suppose gamers do not particularly prefer easy games. What they want is interesting and worthwhile games to play, so I think it is natural that hindrance or stress that does not attribute to such interesting and worthwhile elements will be removed in the end."
Hidetaka Miyazaki - "Dark Souls director says difficulty serves satisfaction" Gamespot - 2012
"I personally want my games to be described as satisfying rather than difficult," Miyazaki said. "However, I suppose gamers do not particularly prefer easy games. What they want is interesting and worthwhile games to play, so I think it is natural that hindrance or stress that does not attribute to such interesting and worthwhile elements will be removed in the end."
Hidetaka Miyazaki - "Dark Souls director says difficulty serves satisfaction" Gamespot - 2012
They are not mutually exclusive, so you can do the triggers for them at the same time. The only mutually exclusive ending is bad end.
About the Ape boss:
I was chilling around after beating him. Took me like 5 times or so, don't like any boss with terror garbage.
So anyway. I was trying to find a certain NPC and then I saw a guy at the poison pool place all blooded and shit say something about an Ape.
And then I was fighting not one but two fucking apes.
I won on the first try. I don't even know how I did it.
WTF
So anyway. I was trying to find a certain NPC and then I saw a guy at the poison pool place all blooded and shit say something about an Ape.
And then I was fighting not one but two fucking apes.
I won on the first try. I don't even know how I did it.
WTF
You have come this far. So you have got it in you. It's a more extended version of Geniricho.
Honestly, the moment I fought him it seemed impossible. But I beat him today. Without of a word of a lie: it's super satisfying. Towards the end I could do the first 2 phases flawlessly on a regular basis.
That's what makes this boss so fair. If you really are good enough, it's entirely possible to do it damageless. Not saying I can ever, but it's possible. So it's more than possible to beat him with 10 health gourds.
Tips:
-do not use your items yet. Feel confident with the boss first. Try to get the hang of the first 3 phases. Once you do, feel free to use items to make it easier.
- learn the counters (jump, mikiri)
- when he does his quick attack, move to a safe distance. He will be open after doing this move: attack
- when he uses the ichimonji, dodge to his side and attack
- parry! Some of his moves have a nice parry rhythm (phase 2)
- use firecrackers if needed to heal, since he likes to attack fast when you are healing, or make sure you got enough space.
Practice makes perfect honestly.
I did not bother with DOH. He feels bullshit. The final boss really isn't bs though. Very fair fight.
Help on late game boss please..
Hirata owl has kicked my ass about 50 times. Not even beaten his first phase once yet..
I like the guy right next to an Idol that you can bring back to life by resting. He'll tell you the same thing over and over and over before dying until the end of time.
Re: 7 spears and friend:
You can use the echo whistle to lure the samurai and get him with a death blow, then grapple over to the tree branches and move down the path a bit to de-agro seven Spears. Once he goes back to his spot you can sneak up and death blow him once.
That fight can be fast if you deflect his hard hitting attack where he stand still and spins around his spear, that will take down a ton of his posture even at full health. You can finish him in a couple minutes with deflecting
You can use the echo whistle to lure the samurai and get him with a death blow, then grapple over to the tree branches and move down the path a bit to de-agro seven Spears. Once he goes back to his spot you can sneak up and death blow him once.
That fight can be fast if you deflect his hard hitting attack where he stand still and spins around his spear, that will take down a ton of his posture even at full health. You can finish him in a couple minutes with deflecting
I honestly disagree. The final boss is insanely, absurdly fast and his follow-up attacks come out so quickly after a parry it's almost impossible to react to them. More than anything else, I get taken down by one of his ultra-quick follow-up swings than any other moves he has.
It's almost entirely a reflexes fight rather than a strategy fight, and reflexes fights just aren't fun if your reflexes aren't up to snuff.
The parry timing for his attacks is 1,2,3,4 (pause) 1,2,3,4 (pause) 1. As long as you get the rhythm down you can pretty much iron wall him until his stamina is gone. If you're smart you can also jump in from the rafters and stealth KO his first gauge away, making the fight half as long. Also, his smaller buddies can be instakilled with a jump attack, so after you stealth KO his first gauge, run around the room and jump on all of his buddies so they can't interrupt you and you should be able to crush him.
I dunno, Emma is not giving me the bell and she's just sitting next to
Ishin's body
Regarding DoH, is there anything to lose by not fighting him? I got the impression very much that it's a totally optional boss that doesn't do anything other than give you another Memory/attack upgrade. It doesn't affect any story or quest, does it?
Might skip it on my NG+s :/
Might skip it on my NG+s :/
I don't think so, just go for NG+. Game's pretty short on subsequent playthroughs anyway.
Yeah I'm pretty sure they did. Could be wrong though.
And done. What a ride. Thank you From Soft. Some of the best bosses in my intire gaming career.
I still beat him pretty easily by keeping the "double tap L1 when you see his sword glimmer" tactic down
However remember red eyes are susceptible to flames...
For anyone needing to see the example of this guys post I put it up in my last post with the video...at least then part about luring the friend away.
Also if you wedge 7 spears between you and his buddy the 2 of you can take turns slashinghim, eliminating the need for a death blow. ,
Just leave it a couple of days and come back.
The thing these games really demand is time. This is the first Soulsborne game I've finished multiple times and I finally get it. You need lots of hours each week for quite a few weeks to really learn and learn and learn. Like almost a lootshooter (e.g. Destiny) commitment for a while to "git gud". I don't even think skill comes into it that much.
Come back with a clear/relaxed mind and you'll be able to memorise Phase 3 and 4's moves much more easily. And he'll just keep getting easier from there. Still a tough boss, though.
Fuck this, what the fuck is this?
I got to his 2nd phase once after burning through all my gourds and 1 pellet, I bet he's got a third form too.
Wtf am I supposed to do, he has so few openings and so many ways to fuck you up.
I got to his 2nd phase once after burning through all my gourds and 1 pellet, I bet he's got a third form too.
Wtf am I supposed to do, he has so few openings and so many ways to fuck you up.
They aren't, but it's still missable;
You need to get the bell from Emma before Ashina is consumed by flames, otherwise Emma will stick around near Isshin and won't give it to you anymore. If you got the bell before that, you can do the Hirata v2 part at any time until you examine Kuro to give him the items (which means you can even beat the Hirata v2 boss AFTER the final boss, I'm like 99% sure
I think lore/story-wise it's a really cool boss too, but no, if you already beat him in NG, there's no substantial reward for killing him again in NG+ beyond the Attack upgrade.
User warned: posting unmarked spoilers
After reaching what i believe to be the final area of the game , i made a quick video on my impressions of the game so far.
Footage is of the 1st Owl Boss so its pretty straightforward , just got done beating the 2nd Owl Boss and that one was a big pain in the ass to do.
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Well I'm not disagreeing with you, since I think souls in general is a reflex game (getting attacked? dodge or parry asap)
However it's more of a combination of memory and skills. Just with geniricho, you knew his moves after a while. Same here. Thats just my opinion.
He went from impossible, to a joke by the end of it. Especially the first 2 phases I was untouchable. Phase 3 I got a lot better too, but had clearly less practice in that phase.
But that's the thing... after 50x attempts if you think you aren't making progress than fair enough. The boss ain't for you. You'll know whether you can do it or not.
Also my history with souls:
Hated demon souls, gave dark souls a chance but dropped it too. However tried again after a year and ended up loving it, but never got back to it after ornstein&smaug (needed a break, which lasted too long clearly)
Lovedddd bloodborne (like fast pace). Thought dark souls 3 was great but did not enjoy it as much as BB or DS1 ( I enjoy the uniqueness of souls-genre, ds3 was more of the same)
I overwrote an advanced FP save and need to start that place from the top. Im not gonna bother with that shit. I finished my 1st run with shura ending, found out Im locked out of combat till ng+. So I get there and its the worst place in the game. I'll come back to this eventually. For now its break time.
You are past point of no return. In next playthrough make sure all ending related actions are done prior to reaching boss in last new area. Personally, I just did everything prior to reaching last new area every single time.
Good work! He's the biggest hurdle until the endgame, at least for me.
Killing the Divine Dragon is the cutoff point for some parts of that ending. You need to talk to get the bell after killing Owl but before killing DD. The Return ending has a bit more wiggle room I think.
The way I do it is i
Pop one of those candies that help your stealth, sneak directly between the two and possess the general on the left. Let them fight.
Not as efficient as your technique, but fun!
Not as efficient as your technique, but fun!
I have the pre fight down. I get all his little guys and deathblow him before having to fully take him on. I've been able to parry most everything else pretty damn good up until this guy. I'll pay attention more to that timing you mentioned, though. I was literally one or two hits away this last time before posting and just fumbled in nervousness for jumping out of the way of his Red Kanji attack. I was deflated. I'll get him.
Beat the
This one was very challenging for me, where to next?
ELite Samurai on top of the Ashina Castle Chamber
Anyone that wants to avoid dealing with double minibosses
or just want to stealth kill things before engagement should start using mountain echo + projected force. It's basically how you would have expected ceramic shard to function; setting off a sound at a specified location to lure them there.
such as seven spear + general
I hated
then I got it, and wrecked its ass.
I hated
then I got it, and wrecked his ass.
Now I'm hating
. I'm not having fun anymore. The exploration, the combat, the lore is great, but certain design decision when it comes to 2-3 late bosses are making the game tedious. I feel like it's difficult for the sake of being difficult and relies a lot on superfast reflexes...which in my 40s are not quite there anymore.
Still, I'll persevere and kick his ass too..
Demon of Hatred,
I hated
Isshin in the Shura ending,
Now I'm hating
the second fight with the Owl
Still, I'll persevere and kick his ass too..
Bosses — the 3 big skill check fights in particular — are more predictable/scripted in their behavior than they are in Souls & Bloodborne. They're tough because a slight mistake can instantly end everything, and they punish things like healing/item usage & playing timidly harshly. But outside the odd 'wildcard' attack, they generally react the same each time to most situations. By the end of each encounter I knew exactly what they were going to do and could bait them accordingly.
Go outside from that room and keep heading up. The party is about to start!
I just finally beat this, took forever
I'm in NG+ so my strategy was to open with
dragon flash
Besides that my spirit emblems were just for firecrackers. Gotta learn his attacks and stay in his face and get a counter R1 in whenever possible to start to whittle his health down. When you're close you can often cancel out his kicks and perilous attacks with your own quick attacks, even his regular swings if you swing a little later (dangerous). You can get behind him during firecracker attacks but it's safer to back the fuck up and wait to see what counter is needed (hopefully mikiri because it's easy to time). Getting stuck near a while while he firecrackers is probably what killed me the most. When he's prepping his overhead slam, slash him 1-2 times and sidestep at the last second, so he doesn't mix the move into a swipe attack instead. Double shuiriken + flip combo is the easiest of his attacks to punish probably. Second stage I used firecrackers more to keep him in place since you have fewer opportunities to attack.
An easier strat is using the cloaking item, going right to the tree, and backstabbing the captain and using puppeteer. This gives you a 2 v 1 advantage for most of the fight.
I discovered something interesting about the dodge mechanic. If you tap the button without pressing a direction before an attack hits, it seems to automove you in the correct direction. I've been doing this with the final boss once he leaps in the air with the spear, just press dodge as he's bringing the spear down, you'll dash forward and be able to get in a hit. Helps a ton with that fight.
Took me 4 hours but I finally beat him. Just learned his moves and chipped away at him slow and methodically
of wow I thought I reached the top as didn't see anyway of keeping going up. we'll go back there then
If you ever fight him again (either) try using oil and flame vent. He has many attacks that can be punished with a charged blast, and the vitality damage is pretty significant.
I beat the raging bull just now and am having a damn great time with this game. I think I really suck most at the Samurai mini bosses. I can never tell if the alert they trigger is for a low sweeping blow or for a grab and fuck it up all the time.
Also, any good strategies for these asshole ninja enemies on the rooftops? Very frustrating.
Also, any good strategies for these asshole ninja enemies on the rooftops? Very frustrating.
I've loved this game but I'm not sure I'll be doing a new game plus lol.
Its funny tho that was the first time I even got to his second phase and I managed to beat him.
I had more trouble with both Ape fights. And before Genochiro I had more trouble with Lady Butterfly. Aside from the final boss Lady Butterfly was my hardest main boss. Probably because I was still learning the game at that point.
A lot of second phases makes the fight easier as the inserted mechanic is easier to deal with, but it also eats into probability of other moves being used, so you have overall easier moveset to deal with. It's one thing that could be improved upon in the future.
Got my first serious attempt at the final boss and on my second try i managed to get to the
Seems hard but doable
3th phase with no heals left whatsoever so he got me down fast. Second tries after that i could het him down to his second orb. I think i found a way to got his first phase done without much pain. Must retry it tho.
Seems hard but doable