Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!

Dodgerfan74 · Mar 28, 2019

MegaBeefBowl said:
Yeah, it isn't super fun. I found that if you went ham on the first two phases of the fight (The two katana fights) you could eat up their posture pretty quickly. The real key for me was learning you could jump counter on the halberd spin attack to completely avoid it and land 3 attacks.

And yeah, fucking Gen's jumping attack could transition to a stab or a sweep and the grass makes it almost impossible to read. This could be solved with unique symbols for each dangerous attack, or maybe by ditching the dumb ass white grass field idea.

The grass definitely makes it harder to identify some of the moves. The area is kind of lame immediately following Bloodborne which ended in basically the exact same area. It takes a lot of the cool factor off, but From loves hammering home the same stuff repeatedly. Surprised the game doesn't wrap up in a poison swamp.

jviggy43 · Mar 28, 2019

Brock Reiher said:
do we learn who Roberto is btw

My guess is he was one of the children that the monks were attempting to make a divine child, given that the only one that survived mentioned how many there were and they all died. But Ive read passages about that NPC coming to this land to find divine rejuvenation so maybe he was doing so for his son.

benj · Mar 28, 2019

DarkFlame92 said:
OT2 already ? Not even a week has been since the game released :O

Anyway,need tips on the 2 final bosses

Genichiro/Isshin and Demon of Hatred(which I kinda think is the Sculptor transformed ? )

yeah, he is

JMY86 · Mar 28, 2019

Brock Reiher said:
do we learn who Roberto is btw

Yep.

Lulu · Mar 28, 2019

Azurik said:
It never triggered for me but I think this is only required for the purification ending. I'm about to finish the game with the true ending (return) and never had the conversation triggered

Yea, apparently that step is not important. I got the rest done.

Mirage · Mar 28, 2019

Fantastapotamus said:
I'm curious, what people mean when they talk about "bosses" in the game, since there isn't really a clear distinction between "mini-bosses" and "bosses" right?
Like, is the.....

purple ninja dude

a boss? You have to beat him to progress but you also can backstab him which you can't do to f.e.

Lady Butterfly

. You also can't backstab the ogre as far as I know but I think you could just run past him.

How does NG+ work in this game? Do you keep your stats and skills? Are enemies just tougher or is there more to it?

Bosses have a black in stripe behind their name and give you dreams, mini bosses give you pearls.

Elodes · Mar 28, 2019

Much said:
Thought this was appropriate given the title lol

You might like to spoiler this gif? It spoils a quite surprising boss mechanic, one that I loved figuring out on my own.

(Cool gif though!)

NediarPT88 · Mar 28, 2019

jett said:
I think the final boss was absurd.

It was basically fighting three different bosses in a row, since the first three phases (including Genichiro) all play completely different. Only the fourth pares it back a bit. It requires crazy amounts of memorization to build up Ishinn's posture bar. I genuinely believe several moments in this game aren't balanced properly. Too many boss attacks, especially Ishinn's, have extremely similar start-up animations, but they require totally different counters. And I'm fairly certain one of Genichiro's sweep attacks does not trigger the red icon.

Plus like you mentioned the arena is terribly designed from a gaming standpoint since it makes it extra hard to see the boss's animations, plus the use of color kind of makes everything blend together. It ain't cool. It ain't cool at all.

Although personally I played it up close and personal with Genichiro and Ishinn all the time and that served me the best.

In general regarding difficulty, I'm not sure how much harder can NG+ be since once you have the patterns memorized and the muscle memory in place the challenge disappears. And I already fucking die in a couple of hits already anyway.

Yeah they really need to tone down a bit with the bosses, things are getting out of hand imo. Already thought this about Dark Souls III DLC but this manages to be worse.

Genichiro fight could've been much better if it was just two phases, with more health/posture for the boss in the lightning phase.

Demon of Hatred could also have been two phases (moves from the 2nd and 3rd phase together) though to be fair that boss goes down rather quickly if you use divine confetti and his attacks are really easy to bait/avoid once you know what you are doing.

Last boss was awful, once again there was no need for a 4th phase, which could've been included in the 3rd.

DoubleTake · Mar 28, 2019

BrutalInsane said:
Just beat it, whew what a ride. gave me the most trouble, his fight taught me more about combat in this game than the whole way leading up to him. Beat the in a fraction of the time it took to beat him.

On to New Game +!

DUDE Spoiler tag this stuff! My god, how hard is it for some of you?

BriGuy · Mar 28, 2019

Yep, game is bugged to shit. Just had the completely wrong cutscene play with a character with no textures whatsoever, then cut back to the correct cutscene again with a character with no textures, and now I'm in a boss arena with fog gates, but no boss.

Arttemis · Mar 28, 2019

I Wanna Be The Guy said:
I've now died twice and only have one more. Not gonna try fighting again unless I get a nice easy answer to this one.

The samurai in Ashina Castle drop Divine Confetti often. I clear out the floor and get one or two each attempt.

Deleted member 176 · Mar 28, 2019

jviggy43 said:
My guess is he was one of the children that the monks were attempting to make a divine child, given that the only one that survived mentioned how many there were and they all died. But Ive read passages about that NPC coming to this land to find divine rejuvenation so maybe he was doing so for his son.

ohhh, that would make sense. that's sad.

JMY86 said:
Yep.

can you tell me? lol

ArtVandelay · Mar 28, 2019

jviggy43 said:
I can't get over this sentiment that having a correct way to fight a boss is "limiting". The beauty of this game is its combat, if it let you circumvent that there wouldn't be anything remarkable about these engagements.

What I enjoyed about Soulsborne is that there were usually different ways to tackle a boss fight. Slow weapons, fast weapons, magic, parrying, being aggressive without a shield, hiding behind a shield and using a spear. All viable options.
Here, there's just one option, one correct way. That's what I find disappointing.

Though I understand that I was probably expecting something else. And I applaud From for trying something else after the Souls formula got stale. I'm just not sure it works for me.

Oh, and also, bosses surrounded by mobs give me bad DS2 flashbacks.

benj · Mar 28, 2019

I Wanna Be The Guy said:
I've now died twice and only have one more. Not gonna try fighting again unless I get a nice easy answer to this one.

If you're at a point in the game where confetti feels limited, wait. You don't have to farm it. Just wait.

Saucycarpdog · Mar 28, 2019

I'm lost on where to go next. I've opened all the way to Ashina Reservoir. Already defeated long shadow and Seven Spears but I'm guessing it's too soon for me to fight the Shaman? I was doing nowhere near enough damage to him without the fight turning into a slog.

John Rabbit · Mar 28, 2019

benj said:
It feels like the LB boss fight is really supposed to be an explicit lesson for it (between the tooltips and her patterns), but she's too easy to brute force with a couple spams. I think Genichiro is the game's best effort at teaching people how to use the skillset in combat, but I think a lotta people don't connect the dots on their own and just feel frustrated and like the game's difficulty is beyond them.

I agree with you on the LB fight. I actually mid-fight had sort of an epiphany about how posture/deflecting/attacking worked and only needed two attempts to defeat her. However Juzou stymied me for so much longer because I didn't understand everything yet and I actually ended up defeating him because the other NPC distracted him enough. If Hanbei was able to be more aggressive like some of the boss/mid-boss characters I think that would go much further in instructing people on what is expected of them out of the combat.

Deleted member 11069 · Mar 28, 2019

FIghting

O Rin

and having some success with the poison blade.
- Wish I would not run out of "ammo" so quick
- Or that I have to grind for more
- Would be nice if it had a Bloodborne thing where I can trade ammo for health at least

JudgmentJay · Mar 28, 2019

supervga said:
- Would be nice if it had a Bloodborne thing where I can trade ammo for health at least

It does.

henhowc · Mar 28, 2019

dang OT2 already. we must be dying alot lol

ThreepQuest64 · Mar 28, 2019

Is there any good way to kill ghosts? I do shit damage, fights go forever, and I lose in the end.

... with the mortal blade, but I was wrong, it takes a lot of ghost emblems, I can only carry 17 of them and keep wasting them because I die.

Also, this temporary buff item is rare as fuck and the time it's active is short as fuck; I keep wasting them because I die. I'm at the boss at the watermill.

Another boss I have to cheese for 20 minutes until I die:

the big ass, headless monkey. I sprint until it throws itself to ground, I sprint towards it, can do exactly ONE strike and have to run back IMMEDIATELY because of its scream. I do maybe 1mm of damage. As cool as the boss looks, the second phase is so boring.

henhowc · Mar 28, 2019

should replace Wolf in the OP with Auron and see if anyone notices

Strings · Mar 28, 2019

Robert(o) is very obvious and memorable if you've encountered where his name is brought up. Hilarious title.

ThreepQuest64 said:
Is there any good way to kill ghosts? I do shit damage, fights go forever, and I lose in the end.

... with the mortal blade, but I was wrong, it takes a lot of ghost emblems, I can only carry 17 of them and keep wasting them because I die.

Also, this temporary buff item is rare as fuck and the time it's active is short as fuck; I keep wasting them because I die. I'm at the boss at the watermill.

Another boss I have to cheese for 20 minutes until I die:

the big ass, headless monkey. I sprint until it throws itself to ground, I sprint towards it, can do exactly ONE strike and have to run back IMMEDIATELY because of its scream. I do maybe 1mm of damage. As cool as the boss looks, the second phase is so boring.

RE your first SPOILER... Not really. You can buy the item needed in unlimited quantities later though, and technically don't need to take out any ghosts before then. If you're talking about the one health bar boss there, then there's tricks to wreck their HP if you pay attention to the nature of the fight. Vague as fuck, but I don't want to ruin it for you.

And regarding your second... Make sure you're not jump attacking for that one hit. Plus, when you've got the timing on the 2 moves where he gives you an opening window, you can do way more than one hit. Had a lot of trouble on that fight until I 'got' it, but now it's cinch.

Dog of Bork · Mar 28, 2019

Had another great day. Managed to kill the double trouble encounter in the depths on my first try (firecrackers wooo) then hopped back up to the royal residence to smack down a shadow, also on my first try. Found that the v2 old grave is just a silly place to farm exp and money when you learn the route (4 or 5 mobs that grant 580 exp each and 50-80 sen apiece, all assassinated within a minute or so). Not sure if I want to get skills or save up for the special mask.

Jimnymebob · Mar 28, 2019

On my quest to hold off beating

Genichiro

for as long as possible, I'm curious if there's anything else I can do currently, or if I've done all other available routes so far.'

I've currently

[*]Gone through up to the locked door in Gun Fort, beating Snake Eyes and the boss on all fours that you double tap parry.
[*]Gone through the temple area, fighting the Armoured guy who you push off the bridge, and getting the Senpou scroll thing. I didn't ring the bell yet.
[*]I've been to Headless both ways, but I've not made a real attempt to kill him.
[*]I've completely finished Hirata Estate, from what I can tell.
[*]I've beat Seven Spears near where you start the game.
[*]I've gone through the Abandoned Dungeon, and spoke to the guy there. He seems to be blocking a door that I've not been through yet.
[*]I've not been able to kill the guy in the well at the Ashina Reservoir yet. Am I good to take his first health bar by dropping on to him? He seemed to be suggesting he wanted an honourable fight.

fluffydelusions · Mar 28, 2019

Any other mini bosses or stuff worth grabbing

when Ashina Castle gets taken over? Got the ogre and that ninja guy in the dojo...anything else?

Deleted member 36578 · Mar 28, 2019

supervga said:
FIghting

O Rin

and having some success with the poison blade.
- Wish I would not run out of "ammo" so quick
- Or that I have to grind for more
- Would be nice if it had a Bloodborne thing where I can trade ammo for health at least

There actually is an item in the game that lets you do that.
Look up Ceremonial Tanto

Mezati99 · Mar 28, 2019

Bruh, i know i said i dropped the game few days ago because this shit is just way too difficult

well, i came back cause fuck me the idea of sekito being the only miyazaki title i didn't finish bugged the shit out of me

anyways, this is what happened today:

1/ beat the

Shinobi Hunter Enshin

2/ beat the

purple ninja

3/ beat the

Seven Ashina Spears

4/ beat

Ashina Elite Jinsuke Saze

5/ beat

Lady Butterfly

i was getting my ass handed to me by regular mobs before

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!!!!

benj · Mar 28, 2019

Jimnymebob said:
On my quest to hold off beating

Genichiro

for as long as possible, I'm curious if there's anything else I can do currently, or if I've done all other available routes so far.'

I've currently

[*]Gone through up to the locked door in Gun Fort, beating Snake Eyes and the boss on all fours that you double tap parry.
[*]Gone through the temple area, fighting the Armoured guy who you push off the bridge, and getting the Senpou scroll thing. I didn't ring the bell yet.
[*]I've been to Headless both ways, but I've not made a real attempt to kill him.
[*]I've completely finished Hirata Estate, from what I can tell.
[*]I've beat Seven Spears near where you start the game.
[*]I've gone through the Abandoned Dungeon, and spoke to the guy there. He seems to be blocking a door that I've not been through yet.
[*]I've not been able to kill the guy in the well at the Ashina Reservoir yet. Am I good to take his first health bar by dropping on to him? He seemed to be suggesting he wanted an honourable fight.

If I were in your shoes I would seriously just beat Genichiro before progressing. But there is certainly more you can do. Don't get caught up on "honor".

hey it's that dog · Mar 28, 2019

fluffydelusions said:
Any other mini bosses or stuff worth grabbing

when Ashina Castle gets taken over? Got the ogre and that ninja guy in the dojo...anything else?

Go to the snake shrine if you wish to be infuriated.

Mezati99 said:
Bruh, i know i said i dropped the game few days ago because this shit is just way too difficult

well, i came back cause fuck me the idea of sekito being the only miyazaki title i didn't finish bugged the shit out of me

anyways, this is what happened today:

1/ beat the

Shinobi Hunter Enshin

2/ beat the

purple ninja

3/ beat the

Seven Ashina Spears

4/ beat

Ashina Elite Jinsuke Saze

5/ beat

Lady Butterfly

i was getting my ass handed to me by regular mobs before

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!!!!

Feels good, right? When the primary barrier to progress is your own skill, sometimes you just have wait a little bit for the effects of practice to kick in.

Deleted member 4090 · Mar 28, 2019

Jimnymebob said:
On my quest to hold off beating

Genichiro

for as long as possible, I'm curious if there's anything else I can do currently, or if I've done all other available routes so far.'

I've currently

[*]Gone through up to the locked door in Gun Fort, beating Snake Eyes and the boss on all fours that you double tap parry.
[*]Gone through the temple area, fighting the Armoured guy who you push off the bridge, and getting the Senpou scroll thing. I didn't ring the bell yet.
[*]I've been to Headless both ways, but I've not made a real attempt to kill him.
[*]I've completely finished Hirata Estate, from what I can tell.
[*]I've beat Seven Spears near where you start the game.
[*]I've gone through the Abandoned Dungeon, and spoke to the guy there. He seems to be blocking a door that I've not been through yet.
[*]I've not been able to kill the guy in the well at the Ashina Reservoir yet. Am I good to take his first health bar by dropping on to him? He seemed to be suggesting he wanted an honourable fight.

Do the well.

Before you beat the boss you've tagged, you can have... (numbers of things)

- 16 vitality
- 3 damage upgrades
- 9 capacity on your bottle
- Advanced the time of the day

Strings · Mar 28, 2019

fluffydelusions said:
Any other mini bosses or stuff worth grabbing

when Ashina Castle gets taken over? Got the ogre and that ninja guy in the dojo...anything else?

Go to Serpent Shrine too.

fluffydelusions · Mar 28, 2019

hey it's that dog said:
Go to the snake shrine if you wish to be infuriated.

Well ima call it a day...the ape made me rage enough anyway lol. Got a link to a video of what you are talking about so I can take a look and check out tomorrow

Dog of Bork · Mar 28, 2019

supervga said:
Would be nice if it had a Bloodborne thing where I can trade ammo for health at least

This exists. A floatyboi in a dark cave drops an item.

hey it's that dog · Mar 28, 2019

fluffydelusions said:
Well ima call it a day...the ape made me rage enough anyway lol. Got a link to a video of what you are talking about so I can take a look and check out tomorrow

It's nothing crazy but the geometry of the location combined with the type of opponent made me very mad. I don't have a video but the guy has "spear-bearer" in his name if you want to google.

Nocturnowl · Mar 28, 2019

I'm sitting here, the credits are rolling after I slogged 2 and a half hours straight on a boss and I feel like something is awry here...

I thought I just paper mario style pre-emptive bad ended myself via dialogue choice, yet playthrough 2 they say?

antitrop · Mar 28, 2019

Someone please tell me the best place to farm back Resurrection Nodes after wasting them on final boss attempts.

fluffydelusions · Mar 28, 2019

hey it's that dog said:
It's nothing crazy but the geometry of the location combined with the type of opponent made me very mad. I don't have a video but the guy has "spear-bearer" in his name if you want to google.

Yeah just saw on YouTube. Man I hate fights in areas like that

burgerdog · Mar 28, 2019

Oh boy this hatred boss. First real challenge by fucking far.

Koyomi · Mar 28, 2019

antitrop said:
Someone please tell me the best place to farm back Resurrection Nodes after wasting them on final boss attempts.

Maybe Mibu village is good, mobs keep coming from underground there.

Deleted member 176 · Mar 28, 2019

ArtVandelay said:
What I enjoyed about Soulsborne is that there were usually different ways to tackle a boss fight. Slow weapons, fast weapons, magic, parrying, being aggressive without a shield, hiding behind a shield and using a spear. All viable options.
Here, there's just one option, one correct way. That's what I find disappointing.

Though I understand that I was probably expecting something else. And I applaud From for trying something else after the Souls formula got stale. I'm just not sure it works for me.

Oh, and also, bosses surrounded by mobs give me bad DS2 flashbacks.

This is still the sekiroulsborne formula, the combat and movement is just different.

Also unlike DS2 you have tons of tactics to lure mobs away and deal with them.

antitrop · Mar 28, 2019

Koyomi said:
Maybe Mibu village is good, mobs keep coming from underground there.

That's what I was thinking too, thanks.

HiLife · Mar 28, 2019

Farming in the endgame is so easy.

Fountain Head

has a spot that can net 4000 xp per minute and close to 1000 coin per minute. Lol.

Deleted member 4090 · Mar 28, 2019

Nocturnowl said:
I'm sitting here, the credits are rolling after I slogged 2 and a half hours straight on a boss and I feel like something is awry here...

I thought I just paper mario style pre-emptive bad ended myself via dialogue choice, yet playthrough 2 they say?

I don't think the Bad Ending is handled well at all. It is a total departure from the From games, and more like a Persona game except it auto-saves and sticks you to the bad path.

theotherMittens · Mar 28, 2019

hey it's that dog said:
It's nothing crazy but the geometry of the location combined with the type of opponent made me very mad. I don't have a video but the guy has "spear-bearer" in his name if you want to google.

fluffydelusions said:
Yeah just saw on YouTube. Man I hate fights in areas like that

You can just kite him outside. You're not gated into the room.

Deleted member 176 · Mar 28, 2019

HiLife said:
Farming in the endgame is so easy.

Fountain Head

has a spot that can net 4000 xp per minute and close to 1000 coin per minute. Lol.

is it the one dude in the arch?

Kinsei · Mar 28, 2019

Nocturnowl said:
I'm sitting here, the credits are rolling after I slogged 2 and a half hours straight on a boss and I feel like something is awry here...

I thought I just paper mario style pre-emptive bad ended myself via dialogue choice, yet playthrough 2 they say?

Yep. You gotta go through NG+ to get to see the rest of the game.

Deleted member 176 · Mar 28, 2019

if you're worried about money just go to ng+. with the money upgrades I got 7000g before my first resurrection.

I Wanna Be The Guy · Mar 28, 2019

I feel like the game is a little too open. There's too many options of where to go and it's overwhelming.

Psychotron · Mar 28, 2019

HiLife said:
Farming in the endgame is so easy.

Fountain Head

has a spot that can net 4000 xp per minute and close to 1000 coin per minute. Lol.

Yeah I saw a video showing how you can use that and a certain item to basically raise attack power as high as you need. There's my Dark Souls leveling!

Nocturnowl · Mar 28, 2019

Neoweee said:
I don't think the Bad Ending is handled well at all. It is a total departure from the From games, and more like a Persona game except it auto-saves and sticks you to the bad path.

Kinsei said:
Yep. You gotta go through NG+ to get to see the rest of the game.

Sweet relief knowing this

Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!

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