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SEGA is becoming its weird and wonderful self again [Engadget]
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Sega is surely getting some vitality back as of late but it still feels far from its most recent state of form it had, which was during the 128 bits era. While Sega as a whole has strengthened with the acquisition of western studios and indirectly by purchasing Atlus, Sega Japan doesn't have the quality and diversified output it used to. Their recent games are surely appreciated but I wish we'd see more original and imaginative AA games that defined the Sega Identity in the past. A lot of the creative leads have left Sega since the Dreamcast heyday (Yu Suzuki, Yuji Naka, Tesuya Mizuguchi, Noriyashi Ohba, Yukio Futastugi amongst the biggest names) and there's no doubt that the market and production costs have changed since then. In any case, the restructuration efforts started by CEO Haruki Satomi in 2015 start to be visible now, hopefuly they'll keep walking in the right direction!
Yeah, i didn't even include all the re-released classics, but they are doing a good job with that too. With AGES, but also Sega Forever, the MegaDrive Mini and the MegaDrive Classics collection.
True, most of their output doesn't light the charts on fire, but that doesn't mean everything's a flop either. IP's like Sonic, Total War and Persona are moneymakers, but they are missing a true blockbuster title like Resident Evil, God of War etc.
I don't think Sakura Wars will be that title. Nor would Virtua Fighter 6 be, tbh. Shin Yakuza might, though. And who knows what else the future holds, after they complete the 'Road to 2020'
I don't see it.
People who like specific teams, developers, or a company culture and ethos probably.
Probably to be really angry at people who make fun of Sonic.
People who like specific teams, developers, or a company culture and ethos probably.
Probably to be really angry at people who make fun of Sonic.
About Mania/Forces, according to Gamestat Sonic Forces has sold a million copies in PS4. Now that Mania has been in PSN Plus, it has multiplied the numbers, but the numbers of Mania were worse than Forces.
While it's nice to see some old franchises coming back, that's certainly the total opposite of becoming "weird" again. SEGA was a company that, besides maybe Sonic, didn't care about franchises and threw just about any kind of concept they could until the Dreamcast era. Few series of the company got past the third game and even Sonic Team didn't want to get stuck doing Sonic games (a big reason why they didn't do one for the Saturn).
For SEGA to be that kind of company, in the current landscape, it's impossible. At least in my opinion. But I'm not going to complain about getting more Yakuzas and the new Sakura Wars being made, that's for sure.
It would certainly be healthy to see more "weird concepts" (maybe some arcade stuff from AM2) together with the sure fire sellers but I'm not holding up hope for that.
For SEGA to be that kind of company, in the current landscape, it's impossible. At least in my opinion. But I'm not going to complain about getting more Yakuzas and the new Sakura Wars being made, that's for sure.
It would certainly be healthy to see more "weird concepts" (maybe some arcade stuff from AM2) together with the sure fire sellers but I'm not holding up hope for that.
The past two years has been a step in the right direction. They need to do more though with so many more of their franchises.
I listed a bunch of things in an attempt to explain why some people care specifically who makes games. I am sorry if that threatens your snarky posts.
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How accurate is that site? The numbers are reasonable for every game and they match with available date, but according to that Team Sonic Racing has 230k players, if that's true then great, I thought it'd done much worse.
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I hope you find peace in me disagreeing with you???? lmfao go away
You literally asked who cares, I responded that some people do for this and that reason. What do you disagree with? The fact that people care? I hope for your sake you are doing performance art or something.
I disagree with a game's authenticity of being a SEGA product only matters if it has legacy staff that's backing the product — which is what the point of the post I responded with 'who cares' was about. It was a fucking nonsensical comment fortified by a popular fallacy that a lot of enthusiasts like to champion around whenever projects like Monster World, Sonic Mania or SoR 4 exists.
This idea that the same legacy staff can produce a product just as brilliantly as their legacy is such a ridiculous notion when there's no evidence supporting it.
Not even Sonic Mania? Man, I was so hyped. Still watch the reveal live reaction once in a while. Epic
What I loved about Sega: games that pushed the technological envelope and constant new IPs with unique mechanics. A bunch of cheap out-sourced ports, IP resurrections and retro re-releases isn't Sega back to its "weird and wonderful self", it's just coasting on nostalgia by a directionless company (Sega of Europe excepted). They're not attracting new fans, those of us still in the hobby and who can remember when Sega were great is ever dwindling and I can't see how this is sustainable so unless they pull out of the bag a new IP that resonates as well as Yakuza did, the slow decline is going to continue until it becomes terminal.
I love current SEGA. Their output on PC has been phenomenal. Their new game at Gamescom looked really interesting.
Total War, Football Manager, Two Point Hospital. I dig it all.
Total War, Football Manager, Two Point Hospital. I dig it all.
Out of all their old IP's, I think those 2 have the biggest chance of being a succes.
Let one of Sega Europe's studios make Shining Force 4 and let Japan concentrate on Phantasy Star 5.
Oh and let Evening Star produce Sonic 5! We can keep dreaming ;)
You're crossing arguments here. Wanting to see more out of Sega's sizable internal talent doesn't mean only sequels from "legacy staff" are of value, it just means we'd like to see RGG Studio do something outside the Yakuza assembally line or Sonic Team succeed in general for a change. And your 3 examples are confusing since only one is an actual Sega product (Mania), which gets to the larger point: games like SOR4, Monster Boy, Rez Infinite, Shenmue III, Bayonetta 2, etc aren't Sega games not because of "legacy staff" (actually most of them have some legacy staff involved). They're not Sega games because Sega has almost nothing to do with them. They're just licenses, like Madden, Spider-Man or Goldeneye. You don't credit the original license holder with those games, you credit the companies that actually made the games.
I've been saying for years how this would be an easy to make, low risk, low budget game. The fact we never got a single sequel (the GBA game doesn't count) from Sonic Team is amazing
I agree but during last gen, Sega released over fifty new IPs and many fans didn't care, claiming sega was dead until the comeback of JSR3, VF6 and the usual suspects. Fans are as guilty as Sega.
Sega just tried to responding fans with IPs revivals in 2016.I think it is still necessary for a few years.
Hopefully, Sega didn't stop new IPs. They are just giving more space to the past IPs.
Are Sega World Drivers, Soul Reverse, Humankind, TCA's immersive FPS, RE Fantasy old recycled IPs ? Nope.
Even when Sega decides to push the past, they don't give up fresh blood.
Forgot about that one. If they ported this, the new Daytona and HotD Scarlett Dawn to consoles and localize Border Break, i think a lot more people would say Sega is 'weird and wonderful' again. Not sure if it would sell though.
It's been brought up before but Sega putting a priority on arcade to console ports again would do so much for their portfolio and standing with longtime fans. We've gotten nothing from the AM side this generation except a f2p Border Break conversion (itself really being a last gen arcade title) and some Miku games.
As long as SEGA is willing to license its IPs, especially the dormant ones, to passionate developers, it's all good in the hood. Also, the Megadrive Mini (or putting a crapload of Megadrive games with extractable ROMs and freaking mod support on Steam) are indeed SEGA efforts and equally as wonderful.
Also, PSO2 and almost everything RGG Studio makes (Judgment is incredible).
Yes, some of their IPs haven't seen games in a while. But come on people, it hasn't been that long since freaking Daytona HD. That shit was incredible, an impossible dream come true with flawless execution. And Sega Rally Online Arcade / Outrun Online Arcade weren't so long ago either. Or how about the enhanced Outrun 1 ports for 3DS and Switch?
Also, PSO2 and almost everything RGG Studio makes (Judgment is incredible).
Yes, some of their IPs haven't seen games in a while. But come on people, it hasn't been that long since freaking Daytona HD. That shit was incredible, an impossible dream come true with flawless execution. And Sega Rally Online Arcade / Outrun Online Arcade weren't so long ago either. Or how about the enhanced Outrun 1 ports for 3DS and Switch?
Don't have enough privileges to open a new threat, so using this one to point out that... 2020 is gonna be a good year for Sega fans.
And 2019 isn't even over yet, we still have Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, Space Channel 5 VR and the switch port of Alien Isolation coming up.
But let's focus on 2020 (in the West):
- Yakuza Like a Dragon
- Project Sakura Wars
- Phantasy Star Online 2
- Yakuza Remastered Collection
- Olympic Games Tokyo 2020
- Two Point Hospital (console ports)
- Hatsune Miku Project Diva for Switch
- Humankind
Pretty sure they will also release console versions of ChuChu Rocket Universe. And it's about time Creative Assembly's new IP releases aswell.
And let's not forget the outsourced projects:
- Streets of Rage 4
- Panzer Dragoon
- House of the Dead
Not bad at all, right?
And 2019 isn't even over yet, we still have Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, Space Channel 5 VR and the switch port of Alien Isolation coming up.
But let's focus on 2020 (in the West):
- Yakuza Like a Dragon
- Project Sakura Wars
- Phantasy Star Online 2
- Yakuza Remastered Collection
- Olympic Games Tokyo 2020
- Two Point Hospital (console ports)
- Hatsune Miku Project Diva for Switch
- Humankind
Pretty sure they will also release console versions of ChuChu Rocket Universe. And it's about time Creative Assembly's new IP releases aswell.
And let's not forget the outsourced projects:
- Streets of Rage 4
- Panzer Dragoon
- House of the Dead
Not bad at all, right?
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Probably? Being the cynic that I am I'd say its a remote possibility at best, does't really seem all that likely at all. We'll see...
These are licensed projects, not outsourced. Sega has literally nothing to do with them other than collecting royalties.
SEGA is a worthless company to me until they make an Alien sequel. It's the only thing they could do that matters
This is me hoping it would but the biggest reason I think it might be on the way is that they localized everything they can and there is only Kenzan, Ishin and thr PSP games to localize.
Bring back Jet Set Radio, the 90s/00s nostalgia is right there. Capitalize on it!
Well they have a lot of beloved franchises people want to return. It's not their fault that Sega ran itself into the ground and was unable to work on any of the titles that weren't a surefire way to sell copies for a really long time.
Well, there's also whatever is coming after RGG7, I can see them looking forwards to future games first. Like I said, we'll see but I certainly don't see it likely that we'll see an Ishin announcement next year, but that's just me.
Wait there is something announced after 7???
I must have missed this. Hopefully a brawler!
Might want to go ask Fromsoft if you want a sequel to that one ;)
Not yet, but Yakuza sequels usually get announced around about TGS every year, so by that I just assumed that whatever comes next (unless 7 destroys the series so bad the entire series is cancelled completely) we'll probably hear about a new game sometime next year, even if its not coming out in 2020 like we've done for every Yakuza game for the last 10 or so years.
Weird Sega gave us Sonic Forces. I need Sega to get on the mood stabilizers so they can give a proper, well-made Sonic game.
These are all the known upcoming Sega western bound (and likely western bound) console projects by production division:
SEGA AM1
SEGA AM1
- none
- Hatsune Miku: Project Diva MegaMix (NSW)
- Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz HD (NSW/PS4/XBO)
- Yakuza: Like a Dragon (PS4)
- Yakuza Remastered Collection (PS4)
- Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020 (NSW)
- Olympic Games Tokyo 2020: The Official Videogame (NSW/PS4)
- Project Sakura Wars (PS4)
- Sega Ages Fantasy Zone (NSW) developed by M2
- Sega Ages G-LOC: Air Battle (NSW) developed by M2
- Sega Ages Herzog Zwei (NSW) developed by M2
- Sega Ages Puyo Puyo 2 (NSW) developed by M2
- Sega Ages Shinobi (NSW) developed by M2
- Sega Ages Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (NSW) developed by M2
- Sega Ages Thunder Force AC (NSW) developed by M2
- Phantasy Star Online 2 (XBO, TBA)
- Alien: Isolation (NSW) developed by Feral Interactive
- Football Manager 2020 (NSW/GSD) developed by Sports Interactive
- Two Point Hospital (NSW/PS4/XBO) developed by Two Point Studios
- 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim (PS4) developed by Vanillaware
- Etrian Odyssey "next stage" (TBA)
- Persona 5: The Royal (PS4)
- Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers (NSW/PS4) developed by Omega Force
- Project Re Fantasy (TBA)
- Shin Megami Tensei V (NSW)
- Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (NSW) published by Nintendo
- Bayonetta 3 (NSW) Nintendo, Platinum Games
- Panzer Dragoon (NSW, PS4, XBO) Forever Entertainment, MegaPixel Studio
- Panzer Dragoon II Zwei (NSW, PS4, XBO) Forever Entertainment, MegaPixel Studio
- The House of the Dead (NSW, TBA) Forever Entertainment, MegaPixel Studio
- The House of the Dead 2 (NSW, TBA) Forever Entertainment, MegaPixel Studio
- Shenmue III (PS4) Deep Silver, Ys Net, Neilo
- Space Channel 5 VR: Kinda Funky News Flash! (PS4) Grounding Inc, Land Ho!
- Streets of Rage 4 (NSW/PS4/XBO) Dotemu, Lizardcube, Guard Crush Games