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Sidebuster

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Oct 26, 2017
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Just saw a poll on msnbc saying 70% of Republicans don't believe the election was free and fair. This...this is getting closer and closer to a legit constitutional crisis.
Yeah, it's starting to become clear they're really going to go for it. There's still time for them to kick rocks and say "next time", but sure as shit doesn't look like it's heading that way.
 

RiOrius

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Oct 27, 2017
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So what is he implying with that 'states elect' comment? Faithless electors?
No, worse. "Faithless electors" specifically means when the duly chosen electors decide to swap their vote. He's alluding to the possibility of state legislatures changing their rules at the last minute to just appoint electors directly. Some states might also have provisions whereby they need to certify their own election results and can choose to, in case of emergency, appoint different electors from those the public chose. There are cases where some states might end up sending two slates of electors to the electoral college, in which case Congress gets to pick which ones are the real electors.

The whole process has a lot of "checks and balances," intended to ensure fairness and transparency and handle emergencies, but when one party decides to just jump on their side of the scale it can throw the whole thing out of whack.
 

HaL64

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Nov 3, 2017
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The fact that you can't figure out if he is joking or not is intentional. Trump get's his ego boosted, and Pompeo can later deny it was a joke (when he feels safe to).
 

Flex1212

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Joke my ass. I don't trust any of these people. Treasonous weasels who will do anything they can to stay in power.
 

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As far as people thinking he's joking or misspeaking, let me pull out this cliche quote for you:

Maya Angelou said:
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

I don't give a damn about any of this when his words (with no context or nuance) are going to be printed. This is a soundbite. Trump diehards are going to run with this no matter the context.
 

Spock

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Oct 27, 2017
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You don't make jokes like that from his position in this situation. They're telling you what they're doing.

And we should take them at their word.
They trying to do a hostile takeover before our very eyes.

People are taking some of this to lightly. It's getting very fucking obvious.

They are laying the foundation down to fundamental denial of the democratic process to a degree we have not seen since the formation of said process.

I mentioned this earlier in thread, even the wording of founding fathers called the structure an experiment and I literally think the results are coming in.

The irony is they are destroying that Democratic constitutional idealism they claim they protect.

One of the problems is that we have already hit the tipping point or are going to where the entire Democratic process can be questioned to a degree that makes it untrustworthy to either side.
 

Rats

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw a poll on msnbc saying 70% of Republicans don't believe the election was free and fair. This...this is getting closer and closer to a legit constitutional crisis.

It's not. The Constitution is unambiguous about what should be happening and so far the actual structures in place have been doing their job.

That's not to downplay the seriousness of their actions and how dangerous their rhetoric is. But effectively it has only amounted to bluster so far.
 

Lylo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man, it's crazy to think that democracy might be at risk in the USA. Of course it's not going to happen, but you guys might need international intervention on this matter at some point.
 
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III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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This clip gives the question. It is even less funny like this.

Question:

Is the state dept currently preparing to engage with the Biden transition team, and if not, at what point does it delay or hamper a smooth transition or pose a risk for national security?

 

Kschreck

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Oct 27, 2017
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We must rely on our conservative judges, courts and many conservative electorate to do the right thing and declare Biden the next president of the United States come December. What else can we really do? The entire Republican party is working with Trump on this attempted coup. They have the money, the resources and nearly half of the American people backing them.

Either the courts and electorates uphold the law or we get more Trump. My anxiety daily is through the roof.
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
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People here have been laughing at Trump's pathetic attempts at fighting the results in court, but you really should stop thinking it's funny. Seems to me the Republicans are pretty serious at stealing the election.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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But we're making excuses for them "oh they're just joking." History has shown that not to be the case with these people.

These aren't excuses. And I don't think he's joking.

He's sucking up to the Trump base. Again, this is someone with political aspirations who evidently, wants to run in the south.

Look at it through that lens, and nothing he says is that shocking.
 

ZW33

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Oct 25, 2017
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They're just openly plotting a coup against the incoming President now.

This is literally treason.
 

16bits

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Apr 26, 2019
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it's just as predicted.

tbis isn't over, wait till one state doesn't ratify the will of the people, and change the outcome in December.
 
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Question:

Is the state dept currently preparing to engage with the Biden transition team, and if not, at what point does it delay or hamper a smooth transition or pose a risk for national security?

This is the key question. I really don't expect there to be much of a transition at all, tbh. We might hit a point in a month or so after the election is certified and final where Trump & co. kind of half-ass a concession and sort of pretend to cooperate with the transition, but there's no reason to think they'll take it seriously or be much of a help at all. As for the national security risk- I think we're already there. We're vulnerable from now until January 20th. Any foreign power who has recently considered any destabilizing hostile act against the US has to be wondering if there's going to be a better time than the next two months to pull the trigger.
 

Garp TXB

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Apr 1, 2020
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Tired of all the pundits and articles telling us to calm down, this is just Trump and his cronies throwing one last hissy fit for a week or two before it all blows over. No, it's not cute or funny anymore. In fact it never was, it's dangerous as hell
 

Shadybiz

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Oct 27, 2017
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These aren't excuses. And I don't think he's joking.

He's sucking up to the Trump base. Again, this is someone with political aspirations who evidently, wants to run in the south.

Look at it through that lens, and nothing he says is that shocking.

Yep. He also gets a handful of extra paychecks up to Inauguration, as opposed to being fired over Twitter by the toddler.

There is a concern that some of his idiot supporters will hear this stuff and get violent, but as far as Pompeo goes, he's just looking out for himself.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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At what point do you start calling this a coup?

When you do you start calling these people traitors?
Biden's victory isn't officially voted on by the electors until December, so I guess he has that long to throw his lawyers at it. Then the vote is officially certified in January. Until then, Biden hasn't formally won the election, so Trump can basically say whatever he wants.
 

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Also important to keep in mind:

I'm trying to find sample size numbers for that but couldn't find any? I don't doubt some Republican voters are running with Trump on this but the headline sounds a bit sensational to me.

EDIT: nevermind,

The POLITICO/Morning Consult poll was conducted Nov. 6-9, surveying 1,987 registered voters. Some interviews were done before the race was called, but the majority were after the official call. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.

Really small sample group.
 

Cygnus X-1

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Oct 28, 2017
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These bunch of corrupted, power-hungry assholes need to be escorted out of the premises put in jail, and throw the keys away
 

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Even if there's not a coup, no smooth transition to the next administration hampers Biden way more than it does Trump.