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Seattle police are retaking CHAZ
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
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I know plenty of people will point out the shootings but all that says to me is America has a gun problem.
I think this is the right thing to do. The longer this goes on, the worst it gets.
Although..... this thread, we have to get some better sources. Jack Prosobiec is literally a trump goon QAnon fuckhead conspiracy theorist. He advocates the white genocide conspiracy theory, was one of the early promoters of PizzaGate, and he works for OANN.
fluffydelusions please remove that tweet from the OP and get better sources.
Although..... this thread, we have to get some better sources. Jack Prosobiec is literally a trump goon QAnon fuckhead conspiracy theorist. He advocates the white genocide conspiracy theory, was one of the early promoters of PizzaGate, and he works for OANN.
fluffydelusions please remove that tweet from the OP and get better sources.
really wish that occupied protests in america weren't such unmoderated fucking shit shows. makes for incredibly easy material for the right
Basically.
The issue is that at the end of the day; the shootings will happen either way. It's not as if the cops are deterrents to shooting....see every high crime area in America and the police budgets they have.
Apparently in that specific area, there are very few gun issues over the course of a year. The situation the last week or so already saw a massive increase over the norm. So while there is a gun problem in the US, it's not like this aimless "zone" helped the situation at all.
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Never heard of the guy just saw it was the top tweet with a video. Deleted
CHAZ needed more up-twinkles
But seriously, this was fucking dumb and set back any """movement""" it was meant to support by years.
Go be fucking adults and buy an abandoned oil derrick in the middle of the ocean like normal people
But seriously, this was fucking dumb and set back any """movement""" it was meant to support by years.
Go be fucking adults and buy an abandoned oil derrick in the middle of the ocean like normal people
Here's a livestream of Seattle police retaking their district.
https://komonews.com/news/local/sea...chop-area-after-durkan-issues-executive-order
Not much action so far, the police already took and sealed off the area since 5am. And the current protester presence is lacking and scattered this morning. Handful of arrests, no real confrontations.
https://komonews.com/news/local/sea...chop-area-after-durkan-issues-executive-order
Not much action so far, the police already took and sealed off the area since 5am. And the current protester presence is lacking and scattered this morning. Handful of arrests, no real confrontations.
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Wait so what happened in the CHAZ that apparently set back the movement or w/e and is different from any other time something like this has happened?
I have a space they can buy and renovate if the CHAZ folks want to move to Floriduh
Aside from a group protesting police killings then being involved with shooting deaths was a bit too on the nose, don't you think?
Seemed (to me at least) that it diverted attention away from BLM protests when it was needed most and gave conservative media a nice boogeyman to focus on instead of police brutality.
I honestly haven't been keeping up, it was an honest question
Seattle: one teen killed and another injured in shooting in police-free zone
Six people have been shot in area of Capitol Hill Organized Protest zone in 10 days, prompting officials to look at dismantling it
www.theguardian.com
They also had no political leverage.
A lot of these movements don't really understand political power. You can only push against the state, with all its power, for a limited time if you brazenly break laws.
Idk about that. Occupy never had people getting shot in their vicinity. Occupy also had enumerated goals that were very possible politically. Journalists, academics, and such always were at Occupy.
I don't think the movement was really set back significantly — the autonomous zone as bogeyman thing never really caught on outside the Fox News fever swamp — but I also don't think it's crazy to think that when basic police and criminal justice reform is already a hard enough sell to the American public, putting a big chunk of left wing energy into defending an anarchist commune in Seattle isn't really a smart play, especially when it managed to have more shootings in a few weeks than the neighborhood typically has in a year, not exactly making a great case for abolitionism.
Good, this was a bad idea from the start.
Defund the police doesnt mean anarchy.
Most people want sensible policing, maybe a deconstruction and re-imagining of the different actions made by police by more specialized personnel, but not outright wild wild west.
Defund the police doesnt mean anarchy.
Most people want sensible policing, maybe a deconstruction and re-imagining of the different actions made by police by more specialized personnel, but not outright wild wild west.
Yeah so it ended up like every single occupied city block in a protest.Seattle: one teen killed and another injured in shooting in police-free zone
Six people have been shot in area of Capitol Hill Organized Protest zone in 10 days, prompting officials to look at dismantling it
Occupy had become notorious for sexual harassment/assault by the time it got shut down IIRC
Here in Philly, violence was routinely breaking out in the Occupy camp site. A woman was also sexually assaulted in a tent, which is what triggered the city to begin shutting it down.
Yeah this is where I'm at. It always came across as a bit too loony compared to where like 99% of the activists fighting for change were at.
Should have been re-taken after the first murder and assaults happened. What a stupid "project" this was was.
There are two groups who would be highly motivated to increase shootings in the area: right wingers and government agents (police, FBI, CIA). Even if these autonomous zones are inherently dangerous, I would expect to see gun-loving outside agitators coming in to shoot people to prove that they aren't safe (and kill some left wing people). I'm not saying this is what happened but we should be cautious in discounting one of the first movements of its kind. If CHAZ worked, it would radically reshape how we think about society.
I like how this post also could also apply to every police department.
The mayor gave them a lot of space but after 3 people (2 teenagers died) it was clear this wasn't going to be sustainable. The protesters can't deal with it, so someone else needs to. They should understand it's over, the protest doesn't stand for anything meaningful under this context.
It's very threatening to upset the natural/historic sense of the order of things. People wanted it to fail from the outset because they think it's inherently a silly premise, regardless if everything went 100% smoothly which it was never going to. It sucks that it went south to the degree it did, I think it did need more structure, needed better organizing, but any movement like this is always going to be a mess either by outside forces agitating or just by inexperience.
