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Chiaroscuro

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Well, I guess he should have went for the real thing in Game of Thrones then.

Edited: his final scene of course. I am joking but with Game of Thrones you can understand something completely different.
 

blackw0lf48

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Something that the actresses of The Deuce said was that the sex scenes were hotter because of the intimacy coordinator. As it let the women more freely express their sexuality because they felt safe.
 

Siggy-P

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Even if we be extremely generous to him here its still a bad thing for him to say. He's advocating that they aren't needed, which they are, just because he personally doesn't feel he himself has ever done anything to warrant one. Maybe that's true but it's... well its just simply irrelevant.

Many celebs, directors and producers have used the "spontinaity" he describes as a vehicle to take advantage of what are essentially their employees who won't mention if they're uncomfortable to keep their careers. Thats why they exist. Because there was so much of it. So, so much.

Perhaps this is all just poor wording on his part but its not something he should be wording poorly. All other aspects of acting have co-ordinators to keep people safe.

And this is all extremely generous to him. He's speaking on other people's behalf and making claims he can't verify. Perhaps we may hear from a lot of actresses who ahve worked with him over the next day or so. Perhaps not but perhaps we will?
 

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Even if we be extremely generous to him here its still a bad thing for him to say. He's advocating that they aren't needed, which they are, just because he personally doesn't feel he himself has ever done anything to warrant one. Maybe that's true but it's... well its just simply irrelevant.

Many celebs, directors and producers have used the "spontinaity" he describes as a vehicle to take advantage of what are essentially their employees who won't mention if they're uncomfortable to keep their careers. Thats why they exist. Because there was so much of it. So, so much.

Perhaps this is all just poor wording on his part but its not something he should be wording poorly. All other aspects of acting have co-ordinators to keep people safe.

And this is all extremely generous to him. He's speaking on other people's behalf and making claims he can't verify. Perhaps we may hear from a lot of actresses who ahve worked with him over the next day or so. Perhaps not but perhaps we will?
We already heard from Lena Hall, who is his co-actor mentioned in the article:
3. Sean is an awesome actor and made me feel not only comfortable but also like I had a true acting partner in those bizarre scenes. It was us against the world and we were gonna tell that story.
4. If I feel comfortable with my scene partner and with others in the room then I won't need an intimacy coordinator. BUT if there is any part of me that is feeling weird, gross, over exposed etc... I will either challenge the necessity of the scene or I'll want an IC.
 

Asklepios

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That's a dumb and rather tone deaf take in a post metoo world. Bean seems like an okay guy according to his co-actor Hall but he is experienced enough to know there are tons of creeps in Hollywood. Very selfish.
 

nonoriri

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Like I guess I get "not being a fan" ( Jamil's take is spot on though, it's your job my man) but considering all of the horrible news that has come out of Hollywood, why would you ever say this? Surely, he knows why they are there.
 

mael

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I thought he was talking about the dating scene and was like why would anyone pay for a coach that extent to date someone.
Then I realize it's about acting and I'm like "wait, they don't put people to make sure the actors are doing their jobs correctly without putting others at risk and all?"
This is like being against safety people in stunts scenes at some point.
 
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Even if everyone involved is on board for a more improvised scene, there's a huge benefit to having a dedicated person to facilitate the discussion of boundaries beforehand and then monitor things.
 

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Ok so something I've always wondered but are love making scenes in movie like...actual love making scenes or just simulated?
 

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Ok so something I've always wondered but are love making scenes in movie like...actual love making scenes or just simulated?
…you're asking if actors in non-pornographic movies are actually having sex?

Outside of a very few exceptions (which you and most people have very likely never seen), no, no actual sex is transpiring.

Probably the best known recent-ish examples of this would be in Blue is the Warmest Color, Brown Bunny, Antichrist, and Nymphomaniac (kinda).
 
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TheHunter

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…you're asking if actors in non-pornographic movies are actually having sex?

Outside of a very few exceptions (which you and most people have very likely never seen), no, no actual sex is transpiring.

Probably the best known recent-ish examples of this would be in Blue is the Warmest Color, Brown Bunny, Antichrist, and Nymphomaniac (kinda).
Gotcha.
 

Vonocourt

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…you're asking if actors in non-pornographic movies are actually having sex?

Outside of a very few exceptions (which you and most people have very likely never seen), no, no actual sex is transpiring.
I've watched some Von Trier films thank you very much, though admittedly those scenes were done with body doubles who were actual porn actors.
 

Strings

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Something that the actresses of The Deuce said was that the sex scenes were hotter because of the intimacy coordinator. As it let the women more freely express their sexuality because they felt safe.
Yeah. Something like Bound, which was the film debut of the Watchowskis, had Susie Bright in an early iteration of this role.
 

Oreiller

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…you're asking if actors in non-pornographic movies are actually having sex?

Outside of a very few exceptions (which you and most people have very likely never seen), no, no actual sex is transpiring.

Probably the best known recent-ish examples of this would be in Blue is the Warmest Color, Brown Bunny, Antichrist, and Nymphomaniac (kinda).
Blue is the Warmest Color's sex scenes were simulated as well using prosthetics. Kechiche's next movie does feature non simulated sex scenes though, and he had to get his actors drunk to convince them to go through with it.
 

Vonocourt

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Blue is the Warmest Color's sex scenes were simulated as well using prosthetics. Kechiche's next movie does feature non simulated sex scenes though, and he had to get his actors drunk to convince them to go through with it.
That's awful. Looks like an actor accused him of sexually assaulting her too.

Guessing it's a good thing his last film is in purgatory because his production company went belly up.
 

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Blue is the Warmest Color's sex scenes were simulated as well using prosthetics. Kechiche's next movie does feature non simulated sex scenes though, and he had to get his actors drunk to convince them to go through with it.
Is that where it landed? I knew their was some controversy, I might have not remembered the final outcome of what the shoot was like.
 

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Blue is the Warmest Color is odd duck about non-simulated sex.

Actresses were made suuuper uncomfortable by shooting process because director spent hours upon hours reshooting just sex scenes, supposedly he wanted them to be "perfect". Some say sex scenes are real, others (including Lea I think?) say they were simulated, but also in some sex scenes viewer has short moments of seeing skin on skin contact.
 

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Personally hoping the success of Top Gun Maverick will start a new trend where Hollywood realises sex scenes aren't required for success.

If there are going to sex scenes though, then intimacy coordinators are absolutely required.
 

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Sean's an actor; maybe he should try exercising his creative muscles and imagine how it might feel to be an actor or actress who isn't entirely comfortable doing intimate scenes with someone who wants to be "spontaneous".
 

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Personally hoping the success of Top Gun Maverick will start a new trend where Hollywood realises sex scenes aren't required for success.

If there are going to sex scenes though, then intimacy coordinators are absolutely required.
I mean, considering how sexless most Marvel movies (and Jurassic World, Star Wars, etc.) are, I think that might be a lesson they already learned.
 

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If all parties involved in the scene are ok without intimacy coordinators then I don't see the problem. I think Emma Thompson spoke about this as well with her new movie and how both actors decided to make the scene without coordinator. But it was mutual decision.

I guess problem to solve is how do you deal with situation where bigger star says no to the coordinator and how it can lead in situation where junior star will have difficult time to ask one for the scene.
 

J2C

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I would leave it up to the two artists to decide how they want to handle a scene, and the director and cinematographer. For a marvel production sure. But I just think both artists and actors can decide how they want to perform their scenes or tell stories. As Lena pointed out. I think there is validity in considering how any on set approach changes the film you get on screen

But also think denouncing a practice that works for other productions and performers is kind of insensitive and dumb
 

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I think Hollywood has too many "Sean Bean's character dies" co-ordinators.

It really takes me out of the scene and makes everything look fake.

They should take away the co-ordinators and just go with what feels good at the time when dropping that satellite on him or swinging that sword.

Keep it real, you know?
 

phazedplasma

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Ok so something I've always wondered but are love making scenes in movie like...actual love making scenes or just simulated?
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Vonocourt

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I went in to see it fully expecting another one and was pleasantly surprised, that's why it came to mind. TV seems to be the main home of unnecessary sex scenes now.
Sure there are shows that get gratuitous, Game of Thrones' brothel scenes come to mind, honestly, a lot of how Game of Thrones deals with sexual content is kind of tiring, but I think it's a matter of specific executions that should be critics than just a blanket-wide dismissal.
 

TechnicPuppet

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Sure there are shows that get gratuitous, Game of Thrones' brothel scenes come to mind, honestly, a lot of how Game of Thrones deals with sexual content is kind of tiring, but I think it's a matter of specific executions that should be critics than just a blanket-wide dismissal.
I just find there is a lot of women came out after the fact and said something they had to do made them uncomfortable. It's hard to know if what you are watching was coerced in some way.
 

Dan Thunder

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Just the idea of it ruining 'spontaneity' makes me laugh. It's almost like he's saying "If I'm in the moment and my character wants to grab some titties, I should be able to grab me some titties!"
I would leave it up to the two artists to decide how they want to handle a scene, and the director and cinematographer. For a marvel production sure. But I just think both artists and actors can decide how they want to perform their scenes or tell stories. As Lena pointed out. I think there is validity in considering how any on set approach changes the film you get on screen
I don't think it's necessarily about setting the performance in stone. There'll likely be the ability to change things on-set to convey different things in the scene or for technical shooting reasons but it's more about making sure that the boundaries of the performers are noted and respected and that they're not co-erced into doing something they're uncomfortable with. So if a performer isn't comfortable being nude from the waist down they then can't be forced to perform in that manner on the day if the scene's changed.
 

DarthMasta

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Personally hoping the success of Top Gun Maverick will start a new trend where Hollywood realises sex scenes aren't required for success.

If there are going to sex scenes though, then intimacy coordinators are absolutely required.

I'm not sure any of the top movies of the last 10 movies have featured any kind of risque sex scenes. Hollywood has realized that a long, long time ago.
 

Dan Thunder

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Personally hoping the success of Top Gun Maverick will start a new trend where Hollywood realises sex scenes aren't required for success.

If there are going to sex scenes though, then intimacy coordinators are absolutely required.
Just curious where you've got that view from? Out of the top 50 films of all time the only one with (mild) nudity is Titanic so I'm not sure why you think Hollywood believes sex scenes are necessary for success?
 

KingM

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Personally hoping the success of Top Gun Maverick will start a new trend where Hollywood realises sex scenes aren't required for success.

If there are going to sex scenes though, then intimacy coordinators are absolutely required.
The highest grossing films of the last 40ish years have had very few, if any, sex scenes and maybe a handful of sex scenes. There are successful movies that feature sex, but I think all of the top grossers are fairly sexless outside of ones that advertise that they are very clearly erotic thrillers like 50 Shades of Gray or sex romp comedies.
 

CloudWolf

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Ok so something I've always wondered but are love making scenes in movie like...actual love making scenes or just simulated?
Here's a list:

Any movie that has a sex scene that is not one here has simulated sex. And as you might notice, the movies that are on there usually are either very low-budget fare, borderline porn movies or only have body doubles and porn actors (or non-actors) perform the sex. The amount of movies containing well-known actors performing actual sex is very low.

Sometimes there are movies where sex scenes are so realistic that it's rumored it's real, for example people in this thread mentioned Don't Look Now and Blue Is the Warmest Colour as having real sex, which is not true. Though the scenes are very realistic and I can understand why people would think this is the case.

The last movie made by the director of Blue of the Warmest Colour did have a scene of unsimulated cunnilingus and that is actually a great example of why we need intimacy coordinators as the scene was apparently filmed against the wishes of the actress while she was drunk. It's the main reason why the film has only been shown at Cannes and will probably never release for general audiences (also the movie itself is apparently incredibly shit, even outside the fact that it contains actual sexual assault).
 

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Here's a list:

Any movie that has a sex scene that is not one here has simulated sex. And as you might notice, the movies that are on there usually are either very low-budget fare, borderline porn movies or only have body doubles and porn actors (or non-actors) perform the sex. The amount of movies containing well-known actors performing actual sex is very low.

Sometimes there are movies where sex scenes are so realistic that it's rumored it's real, for example people in this thread mentioned Don't Look Now and Blue Is the Warmest Colour as having real sex, which is not true. Though the scenes are very realistic and I can understand why people would think this is the case.

The last movie made by the director of Blue of the Warmest Colour did have a scene of unsimulated cunnilingus and that is actually a great example of why we need intimacy coordinators as the scene was apparently filmed against the wishes of the actress while she was drunk. It's the main reason why the film has only been shown at Cannes and will probably never release (also the movie itself is apparently incredibly shit, even outside the fact that it contains actual sexual assault).
Thank you.

I follow the box office, not as much the making of the sausage itself so these things I've always wondered. I didn't think it a silly question considering the crazy shit other actors/actresses have done (Tom Cruise literal existence).
 

Fevaweva

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Personally hoping the success of Top Gun Maverick will start a new trend where Hollywood realises sex scenes aren't required for success.

If there are going to sex scenes though, then intimacy coordinators are absolutely required.

...A new trend? Did you stop watching films in like the mid-90s and then started again this year with Top Gun Maverick?
 

Unaha-Closp

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The simulated sex scenes in Blue is the Warmest Colour were so successful in making them look real that I felt voyeuristic watching that movie. Great fucking movie, but damn, felt grubby af and only later found out that the actors weren't happy with the Director's methods. Doesn't sound like he hired an intimacy coordinator for his following movie either, jesus. Everyone should be comfortable on set, everyone, not just old white men.
 

CloudWolf

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The simulated sex scenes in Blue is the Warmest Colour were so successful in making them look real that I felt voyeuristic watching that movie. Great fucking movie, but damn, felt grubby af and only later found out that the actors weren't happy with the Director's methods. Doesn't sound like he hired an intimacy coordinator for his following movie either, jesus. Everyone should be comfortable on set, everyone, not just old white men.
Well, at least the pushback he got for Mektoub My Love Intermezzo and how he treated the actress was so bad that he's probably never making a movie again.