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SCOTUS sides with a high school football coach in a First Amendment case about prayer at the 50-yard-line
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Favoritism is inherent in doing this so publicly.
It being standard for public schools doesn't make it correct.
He pressures them by simply doing it.
They square it by saying that none of the players were "required or expected to join in." That and throwing out the Lemon Test.
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Only a generation? I don't think the country will ever be the same.
If this court can make a ruling that brings us closer to a white authoritarian oligarchy using religion as its pretext, whether the distance pulled is an inch or a mile, they'll take it.
The only way they'll stop is if that power is forcibly taken away from them, one way or another.
The only way they'll stop is if that power is forcibly taken away from them, one way or another.
The fact that the Court had to overrule the Lemon test to do this is kind of a bigger deal than it initially seems (spent a pretty significant portion of Con law and 1st Amendment law courses going over Establishment clause stuff, only for the court to nuke 50 years of jurisprudence)
The downward spiral of this country is obvious and Dem leadership sits around and shrugs. This is going to set a path towards prayer and religion in school and soon to be "teacher rights" on who they decide to coach or teach.
The US is unique in how it puts religion on some high fucking pedestal to the point where you have to allow it to do whatever it wants. "Religious freedom" has been as misinterpreted as much as the second amendment.
The US is unique in how it puts religion on some high fucking pedestal to the point where you have to allow it to do whatever it wants. "Religious freedom" has been as misinterpreted as much as the second amendment.
Definitely, they also don't understand group dynamics at all it seems. Hence, interpreting "well regulated militia" as an individual right.
This is a really big takeaway.
The Lemon Test being gone is not good.
Pretty much this. Conservatives understand the boiling frog metaphor very well. Expect a ton of small actions done very swiftly. They can't upend everything in a single day so they'll drag it out for years on end.
Unfortunately expect it to work too. People have short memory spans, people will keep scratching their head but adapting as they can and before they know it they won't even be in the same area code anymore.
Seems like Santa Fe v Doe was for prayers during games (aka school functions) whereas this one gets a pass because the school function ended.
Except the image clearly suggests that the school function hasn't ended.
I'd argue using power and authority to coerce the unwilling is kind of like this court's whole thing.
Shit, they threw out Lemon for this? I haven't had time to read the ruling. That's a big deal. Fuck.
Geez I wonder if this would apply to a Muslim coach doing the same thing hmm. Let me take a wild guess….nope.
Fucking historical practices again. Popping up as the new bullshit subjective standard in every goddamn case. And it obviously makes no fucking sense.
Public School Employee
On Public School Property
Acting in his official job as a Public School Employee.
Uh no. No you can't pray on public school property as a public school employee while you're doing your job as public school employee and try to get students to pray with you.
On Public School Property
Acting in his official job as a Public School Employee.
Uh no. No you can't pray on public school property as a public school employee while you're doing your job as public school employee and try to get students to pray with you.
Religion will always be a tool for the elite to cultivate and control the masses as the court is showing. And their denomination continues to sit by and watch their principles be stretched fanatically in a perverted way as long as they are on the same teams as them. No matter which nation or side of the world it is.
I'm far from a Christian and I don't see a problem with praying, but I do have a problem with them pushing it in others. Don't force people do believe or participate in it and you'll be fine.I'd have a huge problem with any coach making my son pray. I'd be freaking livid.
What do you think happens with millions (billions) of kids?
There is so much more to the headlines than it appears. The problem was that multiple people felt their playing time was reduced and they were punished for not joining the cult prayer. The problem is that it's subjective on playing time and almost impossible to prove maliciousness if he doesn't flat out say it. Not a great precedence to set
Big Christian coach wants to have prayer circles on the 50-yard line.
Meanwhile, in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 6, Verse 5:
"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward."
Throwing out the Lemon Test to affirm this grandstanding is incredible to me.
Looks like, as usual, the GOP is only against Activist Judicial Review when it goes against their own agenda.
Meanwhile, in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 6, Verse 5:
"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward."
Throwing out the Lemon Test to affirm this grandstanding is incredible to me.
Looks like, as usual, the GOP is only against Activist Judicial Review when it goes against their own agenda.
By the way, anyone else remember back in the old days of...like two and a half weeks ago, when concerned talk about teachers "indoctrinating" kids at school with their own ideals was The Biggest Problem in the country? Remember how against that the right was?
Understandings based on "history" indeed.
Understandings based on "history" indeed.
I was wondering when this shoe would drop and now I'm waiting to see how the anti-CRT counter arguments many states put in place can get used against these pro-Christian decisions...
All I was saying is that he did not verbally coerce or order any player to join in prayer. The school district believed that the pregame (predated Kennedy) and post game group prayer rituals were in violation of the Establishment Clause and there was no way to square the behavior with the law.
Player led prayer is fairly common in high school and college team sports (even if it is (was?) unconstitutional as per Santa Fe).
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As an atheist, this is very very worrying! Also the not part of our "history and culture" reminds me so much of the "liberal" (conservative) success of right wing parties in Japan at establishing or blocking statute. And additionally historically revising out everything they don't like, akin to anti-CRT movement here. It's scary, because that line has been super effective there! They revise our history to eliminate minorities and their suffering, and then turn around and bludgeon us with it. The potential is frightening.
I'd be on the other side of this, suing because my kid was being coerced to pray.
As others have said here, wiping the Lemon test is a big, big deal. Using a "history and tradition" test is just opening the floodgates to a whole pile of bullshit, is prone to cherry-picking examples (like we've already seen), and is totally unworkable. This court is absolute trash.
Honestly leaving however you feel about organized religion itself aside, shit is mad inappropriate. I'm just imagining a supervisor at work calling an impromptu office meeting and then starting it off by leading a prayer.
And not joining you means the team and the boss will target you. In the case of the football team, perhaps they miss a defensive cover that leaves you open to getting hurt.
And I hope TST goes ham with this. Bring Baphomet to the 50, druids in robes, a whole spectacle.
