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Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can y'all say supreme court precedent?
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Can someone please give a quick note summary on the decisions. I thought there were supposed to be 2, but there seem to be 3 regarding this issue? The Breaking Tweets are rather vague.

There are still basically two issues. The House Committee subpoenas were sent back to the lower courts, giving Trump another opportunity to make his case. The state prosecutors case (Vance) he lost flat out.

The cases are Trump v. Mazars USA, LLP (the accounting firm) consolidated with Trump v. Deutsche Bank AG and Trump v. Vance. Mazars and its companion bank cases (henceforth Mazars) involve four subpoenas issued by three House Committees: the House Financial Services Committee, the House Intelligence Committee and the House Oversight Committee. Vance involves a subpoena in aid of a grand jury investigation served on behalf of Cyrus Vance, the District Attorney for the County of New York, on Trump's accounting firm (Mazars) seeking the same documents the House committees requested.

They also differ in that Trump's immediate risk in Mazars is almost entirely political since the information sought could affect voters' views of him. In Vance, however, there is at least some risk that the information sought might support a criminal indictment. However, President Trump is almost certainly immune from trial until after his term in office has ended, and the question of whether a sitting president can be indicted has never been answered. Grand jury secrecy should mean that any documents turned over to Vance will not come back to haunt Trump politically, but as one justice pointed out in oral argument, leaks from grand jury proceedings have happened.
 

grand

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Oct 25, 2017
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The AP article I read said this was a victory for Trump since he gets to keep his records private for now. Thread seems a bit premature.
Releasing the records publicly doesn't really matter at this point since they'll only reveal a complex tax situation that will sway no one. What Trump's been worried about is prosecutor's getting a hold of the returns as they will be exhibit A in his trials. Presidential immunity being neutered also is a big blow to Trump
 
Oct 30, 2017
15,278
my feelings about gorsuch's and kavanaugh's heel turn on trump

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RoKKeR

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Oct 25, 2017
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All the news organizations carrying water for Trump on the congressional decision. "MAJOR victory for Trump, Congress and Public won't see his financial records (because the SC said a lower court needs to review oh and the records are being turned over to SDNY)
 

Fractology

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'd be surprised if anything comes of this till after the election.
Nothing will, but that's part of the agreement/point. The supreme court does NOT interfere or give the appearance of interfering or any hint of possibly pulling an election in any one direction or the other.

This is still amazing news. I'm glowing!!
 

Casa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Analysts on msnbc saying this is actually quite a good day for Trump politically. Gets it all punted until after the election and it's a blow to Congress's ability to subpoena these sorts of things in the future.
 

Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's to stop Trump from not complying? It's not like the laws mean anything to him.
That's the thing. He was trying to block subpoenas over material he had absolutely no control over. The accounting firm Mazars already said they would comply pending court decisions. It was a two sided attack for the same material and one (for now) was 100% successful, no ambiguity. It's over.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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Why would Trump be worried? He got nothing to hide.
/s
 

Malleymal

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Oct 28, 2017
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His tax records should be made public yesterday ... he used immunity for the last 3 years when it was important.
 

Finalrush

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Dec 7, 2017
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Analysts on msnbc saying this is actually quite a good day for Trump politically. Gets it all punted until after the election and it's a blow to Congress's ability to subpoena these sorts of things in the future.
"Here's why good thing bad"

Look, we all wish this ruling would happen and immediately Trump's taxes would leak and flood the internet taking him down once and for all, but we need to stop spinning partial wins as total losses. Just yesterday many were insisting the courts would rule in favor of Trump and destroy our system of checks and balances. It's all about perspective.
 

JCG

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Oct 25, 2017
2,537
Analysts on msnbc saying this is actually quite a good day for Trump politically. Gets it all punted until after the election and it's a blow to Congress's ability to subpoena these sorts of things in the future.

That's debatable. The court rejected Trump's actual arguments and did set specific standards that could let Congress access such information in the future.

Just not all the time or by default.

It also criticized the way the House did things, yes, due to balance of power reasons, but didn't endorse the absurd views of the administration's lawyers.
 

Charcoal

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Nov 2, 2017
7,517
Looking at his Twitter...he's fully off the rails. And not by a few inches - it's miles away.
 

thuway

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Oct 27, 2017
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The case Trump didn't want to lose - the one against New York- he lost. This is the one that's going to bring him down.
 

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
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This man is so fucking dumb that he doesn't even realize that SCOTUS threw him a huge-ass bone and gave him a do-over

Not a do over. New York state prosecutors are on his ass.

He has no legal argument against Congress either, his boys just punted for him to buy him time for this election.

It ain't over, but he got that ass tapped today.
 

Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Analysts on msnbc saying this is actually quite a good day for Trump politically. Gets it all punted until after the election and it's a blow to Congress's ability to subpoena these sorts of things in the future.
All of it isnt getting punted though. The House case was punted but NY was after the same material. NY is going to get it. Are they setting a timeline for leaks?
 

MechaX

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not a do over. New York state prosecutors are on his ass.

He has no legal argument against Congress either, his boys just punted for him to buy him time for this election.

It ain't over, but he got that ass tapped today.

I was just referencing the Congressional situation with the do-over

He's fucked with the state criminal investigation