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Schiffs closing speech of the impeachment hearings. Bringing those chills.
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Schiff's stuff has been so powerful over the last few days that now that it seems like it's over it really does leave an empty and anxious feeling like the real shitbags are gonna take the reigns. If it's true a House member acts as the prosecutor in the senate, i really hope it is Schiff.
Phewwwww, what a moment. I haven't been able to follow the impeachment directly 'cause of work, but clips like this... that's powerful stuff.
A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies but once.
Plus some are less cowardly and more quite correctly terrifed...
That thinking is a part of why we're here.
Alos, Schiff is on the shortlist for Speaker once Pelosi steps aside if the rumors are true.
That weaponization of issues, both domestic and abroad, has been a hallmark of the Kremlin-sourced psy ops these last 5(+?) years. Find a wedge issue (BLM, guns, abortion, etc), slam in the crowbar of inflamatory pieces, useful idiots, and provocatuers over microtargeted social media, and start cranking! And today we see its next form: reality vs complete fantasy, the rule of law vs mafia states (shoutout to Krishnamoorthi for mentioning Firtash today given that he reps a Chicago district I guess).
THIS. I have had nothing but the highest respect for Schiff as a legal professional and his moral principal, but have been annoyed by his naivity of his Republican counterparts and his passivity at their continued success at the ballot box and evisceration of Congressional protocol and political orthodoxy. Makes me wonder why I even bother supporting Democrats half the time.
On the larger whole, this country is finished. It will still continue and push onward, but the decline is apparent now with Trump and the open rot that conservatism has across this nation. Can't trust Republicans by default, and can't rely on moderate Democrats and centrists on their prolonged promises of "incrementalism." By the time we finally begin pushing major social, political and economic reform will be too God damned late. I wish I still had any hope or energy in the tank left to hold this man's speech on the higher regard it deserves, but I'm done.
We got a genius here.
Oh, that's right, actually we don't. The opposite in fact.
Great! You saved me the time of actually trying to bother with a response to such an asinine comment. Try again, though.
Asinine is actually a great descriptor of the sentence you wrote. Thanks.
And being a jackass is reading one sentence and ignoring the entire context of the paragraph it was written with, and pretending that mockery is somehow a substitute for a comment. Try again.
The rest of your post didn't provide much context however, and that sentence after all stand on it's own, and quite frankly im sick of people spreading that bullshit.
The rest of my post discussed why I believed Democrats would face hurdles even if we get reform and continued Republican domination, but its pretty obvious that you seriously didn't read my post carefully or at all. And I am sick and tired of a bunch of nobodies mouthing off about people facing struggles as a result of this political debacle we are facing, including myself. You are more than free to ignore or move onward if my minor comment annoys you so much.
Republicans have a nasty habit of just always sounding like abusive fathers.
"DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE DONE FOR YOU? HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?!"
Nah, i'll continue to call out people that spread the poison that Democrats are in some way just as bad as the other side, and therefore such folks wonder why they bother supporting such a group. The opinion of 'Schiff is naive with his Republican colleagues' is probably the last conclusion to be gained from viewing these last few days, but alas, the poison spreads.
Yep, you definitely didn't bother reading my comment at all. Quote me where I suggested "both sides," because nothing I said remotely indicated that. Nothing in my comment even suggested that I don't vote for Democrats or refuse to vote in 2020, since my comment never indicated any of the above. Schiff doing brilliantly with this impeachment testimony doesn't paper over close to three years of him under Trump (before Democrats won in 2018), or even his years under Obama with Republicans running the House. To say nothing about the respect I already posted I have for the man personally. Being frustrated and even critical of Democrats is not the same as being against them, and that is a pretty stupid ass conclusion you drew from my comment. So, please continue to run your mouth and look foolish at something I never said.
Nah, you're right, i apologize. Just please refrain from going on about how you wonder why you support Democrats. You know why, and election season is coming up, and the internet is national. We need a unified front. Criticize individuals, but not the party. We know why the party is better.
Fam, its all good. I understand why people get jittery about division, but I am so damn frustrated. I had two cousins deported under Obama, and three under Trump. Two are already dead returning back home. My entire family are immigrants, I have close to $20,000 in medical debts from surgeries last year, and have been looking for a job for ages now. On top of my student loan debt. To say nothing of being a minority, and from an immigrant family. I have no privileges to speak of, and I lived in Florida for 14 years. My vote was basically a waste, and I still voted and volunteered with getting people to vote. I just want the Democrats to get their act together, because a lot of stances on issues affecting minorities and countries overseas ain't great. As bad as Republicans? Hell no, but that isn't a good standard for me or anyone in the hole to be hopeful toward. That is why I get pissed when people try calling me out like I have no clue how vital Democrats are in this electoral debacle.
I love you, and I hope you take my small advice into consideration.
I got love for you too, and I'm sorry for the tone I used. I just take thing so personally since my personal life is in such chaos, and I'm always teetering on depression, anger and giving up. You're right, though.
If he runs it will be many years from now, and as far as we know it will be the last day for the intel committee and move onto the judiciary committee with Nadler, who isn't quite as good, but they could shake some things up with lawyers and even it out. From there they vote in mid-December and it goes to the Senate, which is completely up in the air. They say the chief Supreme Court justice Roberts will rule over everything and conduct a 'fair' hearing, but Repubs control the senate and will dictate it's flow most likely, so untold shitshows might await.
Hopefully zero, he's extremely pro-war and pro-Israeli settlements, among other gross as hell stances. This dude was one of the many dipshits that flipped out over Ilhan Omar tweeting "It's all about the Benjamins baby". Please stop overlooking the history of awful people who stand to gain from speaking out against a deeply unpopular president.
I have absolutely zero faith in the Senate unfortunately.
They've knocked it out of the park with these hearings, and everyone's proven to be guilty. But they have their head in the sand and have become less like politicians and instead are tax payer funded Trump Defense Force cronies.
When a party embraces anti-intellectualism as a main platform we end up with trash like him and Jordan.
This, basically.
Your average Uncle Clarence will spend five seconds on his MAGA-fied Facebook feed and that will be a wrap on whatever these remarks could have accomplished.
There's no middle anymore. With someone as vile as Trump, anyone who still needs to be "convinced" of his vileness is already irredeemably lost to any and all moral or rational appeals.
Hopefully this speech does motivate the 46.9% of the electorate who didn't bother to vote in 2016, though.
So I get this, but I also hate this because quite a few of these non-voters are victims of decades of oppression in their home states. There's a reason why just a few states, all with insane election laws spurred by republicans after 2010 with the express targeting of disenfranchised communities, were able to decide the election with the smallest of margins.
Motivation, yes we need it. But we also need to actually protect our elections, from foreign and domestic terror elements, with one of those terror elements being an entire party of the USA. We're going to need a whole lot more than a motivational Schiff closing speech to truly reverse our present downward course.
It's why I want the Dems to continue the 2016 election crimes no matter what happens with the current Ukraine focus. Which means Mueller. We can't make good decisions without knowing how bad it got, and we're still galaxies away from truly understanding what happened and who was complicit in selling our election out to foreign interests and how complicit they were. In other words, follow the money Congress. Follow the money.
Fiona Hill today was all about constantly reminding everyone of the Russia threat that you talk about with Mueller and 2016. Most of her responses talked about it. Republicans hate this. THey want that. She actually embraced many of the republicans on the committee talking about how unfair it all was, and presented them with the solution of coming together in defense against Russia, and you can tell these assholes were like 'fuck.....well thanks', cause they want that Russian interference to get them elected, while trying to act above it all.
I'm only a couple mins and haven't been following the hearings much but Trump is referring to Russian collusion with his campaign during his daily nonsensical ramblings about the Russian hoax, not that they didn't interfere. At least most of the time that's what he's referring to. The guy can barely form a coherent opinion.
The 2016 election and inauguration alone could probably jail half the GOP. RICO was made for them given that they're clearly just a mob at this point, worse in fact given they're a transnational crime syndicate. Literally bullying allies at war with our enemies and subjugating their democracy and rule of law in order to then subjugate our own democracy and law.
They GOP are all criminals and it's no coincidence that a lot of these ridiculous grifters and spies seem to be in a lot of pictures and very involved with all sorts of GOP power.
So yeah, they not only want to get elected (again) with dark money and black propaganda courtesy of the fucking Kremlin, but they also just want to stay out of the light and definitely out of prison. They need Trump to truly avoid a potential firestorm with a Dem administration. Not to mention all of the state crimes they all also likely broke, which then not even conservative across-satan's-aisle Dems can obstruct on.
Like Nunes? That mofo is fighting for his life basically. He's so far in it that he should get a cell next to Manafort after Manafort is rightly put back in a proper prison. Nunes needs Republican control; so we're just seeing how pathetic this dude is, along with his GOP cohort, in fighting evidence of literal treason from coming to the light.
Finally got through the whole hearing after watching parts here and there at work.
This closing speech thread should stay on the first page!
At least Schiffs' future great grand children can look back with pride....
Where as Nunez's great grand kids might change their names...or get into politics to make up for this dipshit.
This closing speech thread should stay on the first page!
At least Schiffs' future great grand children can look back with pride....
Where as Nunez's great grand kids might change their names...or get into politics to make up for this dipshit.
As bleak as that sounds, I think that the USA missed their chance(s) at meaningful change into a mixed electoral system and instead the decisions to double down on partisanship, gerrymandering, political judges, voter repression, propaganda networks allowed to run "news", hardly checked predatory capitalism, proven lies in school textbooks etc. will lead to its downfall now that huge parts of the population are "lost" and their disproportionate power allows them to stop changes to the outdated framework of the whole government.
At least you can still make sure you get a mild version of Putin's cleptocracy every couple of years with failing "reformers" in between instead of full on Hitler. Which kinda sounds like the status quo coming from "trickle down economics".
Please prove me wrong, vote out Trump, jail Jordan, Nunes, Moscow Mitch, tax the super rich and companies, ban literal fake news, ICE camps, make voting day a notional holiday etc., really, PLEASE prove me wrong.
Yeah. Include removing the electoral college, rework the first 2 amendments.
Or make the pres a figurehead and go to a parliamentary system with meaningful oversight and control mechanisms for opposition parties. Federalise more (with an emphasis on hyper-professional career people like Hill, Kent or Taylor having power instead of small town legislators) OR fully embrace "state rights" and let saner states improve their lot independently from ultra-conservative states that want to wallow in their self-made misery.
It's amazing how this is all happening because people really wanted to be on the white side of history. Or to keep human beings as property, if you want to go further back 🤷‍♀️
I always wonder about people who say stuff like this.
Constitutional amendments (of any real significance) are functionally gone. Straight up. 3/4th's of the states need to ratify them, and even if you color every state that's ever looked a tiny tinge purple sharp blue, you can't get there.
The country is simply not capable of making those kinds of changes, not for a long time. It has nothing to do with how "motivated" we are. It's a broken system which unfortunately doesn't allow for its own modification, and nothing short of violent revolution can possibly change it at this point. And that won't happen until shit really starts to break down.
The way he describes how other nations, particularly those suffering under deeply authoritarian and corrupt regimes, view this circus is spot on.