Yes, the same thing goes for the Sunny episode.but wasn't RDJ the butt of a joke the whole movie for his blackfacing method acting ways?
Yes, the same thing goes for the Sunny episode.but wasn't RDJ the butt of a joke the whole movie for his blackfacing method acting ways?
Apparently it's now controversial that she thinks she was sticking her neck out despite the consensus in the thread that her humour was indeed edgy.I thought she just meant her career of naturally riskier shock humour.
It's amazing that we've created such a community full of people that have never made mistakes in their lives.
Seriously though, she seems remorseful about the situation, and seems to be an ally on the right side of history. But so many people here are content to have this never forget, never forgive attitude. One fuck up, and you are done. Career over. You deserve no chance at a successful life, or form of redemption. Stay out of my sight line, and out of my entertainment.
Give me a fucking break.
People make mistakes, they change, they grow, they become better people. Is that really not allowed anymore?
Yeah I never made any claims of a 'cancel culture'. I'm just talking about general forgiveness and empathy.Okay, but that still doesn't mean "cancel culture" is a thing. People are aware she is a human. If she changes or has changed, people will support her. Some won't, but that would be true at any point in history regardless of the internet or social media being a thing. It's not a culture specific to this point in time, you're just talking about general truisms regarding forgiveness.
Can you quote who said it wasn't allowed please? How would another human being even disallow that?
Yeah you kind of are. If those affected want to continue to hold it against her it doesnt matter how many times its brought up how much she's changed. Sometimes the consequences of someone's actions last forever no matter how much someone has changed. You are free to do you, but unless you know the scope of the impact there's is no justification for you lamenting the fact that people would still be upset.That's not at all what I'm saying.
See my above post, you can hold it against her if you want. That's your option.
The bullshit is the fact she apologized and we still got niggas out here ready to throw her off a boat over some shit she apologized for and was a decade plus back.It's probably not the best idea to refer to people who dislike blackface as "copping an attitude about bullshit".
Of course she did. She just phrased it poorly. She makes it sound like if you aren't doing edgy, offensive humor that could easily be confused with basic bigotry, that's the equivalent of not taking any risks. There are ways to push the envelope without doing blackface. I think she's legitimately remorseful, but the insinuation that her replacement is only there because they played it safe is not the best look.I thought she just meant her career of naturally riskier shock humour.
Are all of y'all saying that you make a conscious decision every time you find something humorous?
Or are all of yall saying that writing jokes for a television program is just as unintentional as a sense of humor?
Because those are both ridiculous
You know exactly what I mean. No, her career isn't over, but there's plenty of people that I'm sure would be happy for it to be. My post spoke more in a general sense. It was a suggestion of people's line of thinking in these situations. Can't believe I actually have to explain this.
They will when WB finally releases the Snyder Cut.
Regardless, I'll always be wary of people who dig up shit from 10+ years ago done by people who haven't since behaved like complete shitheels (à la James Gunn). Most likely this type of people is just looking for fake outrage to undermine progressive efforts and distract us from the true unrepenting shitheels.
Yes but you seem to be missing the point. There was a time where both you and Silverman found blackface funny. Now neither of you find it funny, and that's ok for you but not for her. People are taking issue with the pretty obvious double standard.
Interesting you respond this way to someone's blackface creating consequences and ban-bait yourself. Oh well.Well, me and my girl finally sat down and watched Ralph Breaks The Internet this past weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it. So I guess I should expect a ban coming any second.
Regardless, I'll always be wary of people who dig up shit from 10+ years ago done by people who haven't since behaved like complete shitheels (à la James Gunn). Most likely this type of people is just looking for fake outrage to undermine progressive efforts and distract us from the true unrepenting shitheels.
I don't think any number of apologies can take away the fact that she profited from dehumanizing minorities.
The clarity of this statement is refreshing. This is indeed obviously diversion tactics at play here, and I'm sad to see that it... works.
If I saw this thread two days ago, I would've suggested putting a different movie on. Or at least done something highly distracting so no one would enjoy the movie.Interesting you respond this way to someone's blackface creating consequences and ban-bait yourself. Oh well.
Did she?Era almost immediately making her point for her.
If someone is willing to own up and admit they were wrong and denounce that previous behavior, it's silly to start reaching for your cancelation pitchforks
"So they hired someone else who's wonderful but who's never stuck her neck out."
""I don't stand by the blackface sketch," she told GQ last year. "I'm horrified by it, and I can't erase it. I can only be changed by it and move on."
Seems like she's not super into that sketch anymore so why `cancel` her?
I've read this entire thread and what I've taken from your discussions is that 12 years ago you found skits like that funny. Today you no longer find that funny.
12 years ago she and the other writers found it funny too and made their skit based on what they found funny. Today she no longer finds it funny and regrets making it.
It's okay that you found it funny 12 years ago and learned from it and regret finding it funny.
It's not okay that she found it funny 12 years ago and learned from it and regrets finding it funny.
It all blows my mind because at the same time you claim that you can't control what you find funny.
This. A super outspoken woman against Trump who seems to understand how hurtful and stupid doing black face was, will now be eaten alive and shunned by her own.
It's what they fucking want.
And that's the rub. Silverman's portrayal of blackface is rooted in a history of minstrel shows and taking the humanity away from people who look like me. It's the visual version of calling me the n word.
I can't say the same thing about RDJ in Tropic Thunder. If people want to get mad about Tropic Thunder, then I'm not going to say they can't. But to me, Silverman's representation and Tropic Thunder aren't similar at all.
Folks racing to talk about "cancel culture" is just a way to shout down conversation
Tropic Thunder was and is still fucked up but no one on this forum is gonna dare cancel Iron Man.
And people say satire is dead.
Pretty much. "Why can't you negroes forgive her?"Folks racing to talk about "cancel culture" is just a way to shout down conversation
He gets called racist throughout the entirety of the movie, and it's revealed that he actually CAN'T shut it off, even when he's aware that it's racist.Tropic Thunder was and is still fucked up but no one on this forum is gonna dare cancel Iron Man.
Did you even watch the movieTropic Thunder was and is still fucked up but no one on this forum is gonna dare cancel Iron Man.
You can't control what you find funny when you're watching something you didn't make. I made a funny song once and I listen to it regularly. It's silly and wholesome and I know I'm gonna laugh because I made it. So I'm in control of what I'm laughing about because I produced a song that I found funny.
It's funny because from that side of the fence, to them it seems like anyone with the opposite opinion can be put in the same convenient box of "well it's a personal failing on their part, they are just outraged, it's not meaningful in any way", but by just throwing "cancel culture!" out there they are themselves not making a meaningful examination and are just parroting something that to them explains everything.Folks racing to talk about "cancel culture" is just a way to shout down conversation
What did she mean in your opinion?
Those Twitch threads are all seeped in weird Twitch culture that is borderline obsessive. The threads about people like Alinity give me GamerGate flashbacks. Not really comparable to this topic about a prominent comedian that has done black face.I just can't see both of those twitch threads about mistaken identification of racial slurs and take the statement that "cancel culture isn't real" seriously.
"Sticking her neck" sounds like the actress as daring or provocative as Sarah in her mind. Like black face was fucking experimental in 2007
LOL, you would have to be a straight up dope to not realize that the characters of that show are ignorant, racist, trash people in like the very first episode.
Won't stop me from watching.
I would read that as more she was broaching a taboo subject."Sticking her neck" sounds like the actress as daring or provocative as Sarah in her mind. Like black face was fucking experimental in 2007