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Sarah Silverman says she was fired from a movie for an old blackface sketch
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Didn't you know? No one here has ever told a racist, sexist or homophobic joke before. Never ever ever.
Comedians write jokes and sketches based on what they find funny.
Which according to you, they don't choose.
What's the difference?
Also Tropic Thunder and Always Sunny are poor examples. If you are swearing those off and "canceling" them, you might have been laughing at them for the wrong reasons.
I have, that's why I no longer find it funny.
Excuse me, but this show ran on a network and had a budget. Presumably the jokes and sketches are chosen based on what the audience would find funny. Thus making it a successful show and justifying the network's investment. It's not some purist expression or art. It's a television sketch show.
Sexism is a huge part of everything but I feel like comedians get more shit for doing blackface than comedic actors playing a role( even if they're involved with the writing). Its def a double standard but I see it a lot.
Like Billy Crystal and Jimmy Fallon also got a lot of shit online when their blackface bits happened/resurfaced.
I don't really have an opinion one way or another on modern Silverman. What I think is weird thought is... the job of comedians is to get a certain reaction from us. If we like that they make us laugh, we keep following them and giving them money. If we like that they make us think, we keep following them and giving them money. Their success depends on understanding how the audience reactions to different things and building the desired reaction based on that. If they're good at doing that we declare them to be a good comedian.
So, then, if a comedian makes a joke it results in them getting deemed as a racist, I don't why comedy suddenly distances them from their reaction. Isn't that just them failing at comedy? They wanted people to laugh and see them as insightful, but they ended up getting this other response instead. Doesn't that just mean that they failed to understand how people react properly?
So, then, if a comedian makes a joke it results in them getting deemed as a racist, I don't why comedy suddenly distances them from their reaction. Isn't that just them failing at comedy? They wanted people to laugh and see them as insightful, but they ended up getting this other response instead. Doesn't that just mean that they failed to understand how people react properly?
What do you mean? He apologized for his jokes and I believe he is remorseful. He is hardly the only comedian/director to use child abuse as material for jokes, I can't watch a single comedy special on Netflix without being triggered because the comic will inevitably make that sort of joke. I personally find them tasteless and unfunny because of my own trauma and how hearing them affects me personally, but I'm not gonna act like every single comic who uses humor to engage with that subject is some horrible human being. People deal with fucked up things differently. Also there is significant evidence to suggest Gunn was in an environment as a child where abuse was taking place, so I wouldn't be surprised if he learned to use humor to cope with that.
The sooner we stop worrying about what they think, the better. They'll just make something up if theres nothing available for them to use to make the line of attack they want. Need I remind folks that this is the same group of folks who lost their shit over a tan fucking suit?
I just saw a lot of people bringing up Tropic Thunder, but again, I think even without similar context with Silverman it's something that can be forgiven. She has changed, and she's spoken out against the sketch, and unlike someone like Roseanne, she's shown that she has changed.
Because you seem to find your own reaction completely fine but you're taking a snapchat of these people, one that never changes, and are applying your changing morality to said snapchat right now without allowing any possibility that they might have changed.
Do you want people to judge you now by the way you were 12 years ago or by who you are now? You give yourself so much leeway and excuses but don't allow the same for others.
Hey, I can't choose what I find funny! I've changed! Oh them? Yeah, they're canceled.
I find these kind of hunts to be more entertainment that anything an average comedian could come up with.
...which is the same fucking thing Silverman did. She also no longer finds it funny. You are the same. Stop throwing stones.
I ain't talking about RDJ and I never mentioned cancelling her. I'm just calling out the needless shade she threw at the person who replaced her
So.. Sarah Silvermann didn't write jokes she thought were funny, just jokes she thought people like you (back then) would find funny and that's her fault?
People disliking a thing or somebody is not new to any culture, offline or online. Material harm or consequence hardly comes to anybody who falls victim to "cancel culture".
Y'all get so triggered by the finality of the word "cancel" it's embarrassing.
A few in the thread made comparisons to Gunn being fired after his tweets resurfaced. Two people who made edgy jokes in the past being fired for them years later after disavowing them. I was just wondering if others found the comparison fair or not and for what reasons.
Like I said, the total lack of self aware is killing me.
This dude is just arguing for why he should be canceled.
Imagine being naive enough to think the Right cares about double standards or being hypocritical.
Except I'm an individual and it's my sense of humor.
This episode was written by 4 people:
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It's a production with multiple people besides Sarah behind it. That's light years ahead of a chuckle as far as intent goes
Bingo.
Most people are hypocrits. Nobody is born woke but everyone likes to act like they always held perfect views since childhood.
Why are we so eager to cancel anyone who made mistakes in judgement even if they aren't making those mistakes now? Are we afraid to admit we've all been flawed in one way or another?
I bet a lot of people here would not like to meet the person they were in high school.
People speaking out about how they've changed and learned and grown is really important to continue to encourage other people to do the same.
Sure, but the comedy isn't necessarily a reflection of their true views. Much like an actor, comedians are playing a part when on stage, a character. Also things that were once societally acceptable can become unacceptable over time. So comedians may have made a joke 10 years ago, majority of people found it funny and everyone moved on, then 10 years later someone digs up the clip and now it's inappropriate. Pretty impossible task for comedians to essentially 'read the room' ten years into the future.
I care about double standards and being hypocritical.
It being an ironic joke doesn't make it any less offensive and gross.
It's your sense of humour that was catered to, you found funny and are now cancelling people for despite them thinking it poor/back on reflection?
What does any of that have to do with anything? Comedians write sketches and jokes and routines based on what they find funny. You happened to, at one time, find that funny. You no longer do. Comedians are also allowed to, over time, no longer find the same things funny. This isn't that difficult to grasp, and you constantly interjecting budgets and writing staffs into the conversation is either trolling or a total lack of self awareness. The core principle is the same. You feel like you are allowed to evolve your sense of humor, but don't afford that to people who happened to write the jokes.
It's so strange listening to the Bill Simmons podcast and then seeing this delayed viral reaction just because some aggregator cut-and-pasted snippets of the podcast to post as an article (I fucking hate this kind of "journalism", but that's besides the point).
I would really suggest listening to the full interview, but seeing all the knee-jerk reactions, I doubt it.
I would really suggest listening to the full interview, but seeing all the knee-jerk reactions, I doubt it.
This seems like an odd comparison to make considering the issue being discussed happened on an episode of a TV show that aired on a basic cable channel.
I'm curious, anyone see that program of hers on Hulu? "I love you, America" I believe it was called? I never saw it and am somewhat curious if people have opinions on that. It sounded interesting, but people made it out to be some novel thing that people are treating Trump supporters with compassion when they get glowing articles in papers like the NYT weekly and nothing has changed.
Yep there's always a weird subtext of "how dare you not support this person who does stuff that you don't like or find entertaining" and it's basically the same weird argument as "but think about what will happen to the starving devs if you don't buy Spongebob: Battle for Bikini Bottom HD". I haven't been paying attention to Silverman -- and TBH the way that old TV show was marketed was part of why -- so it's not like she's particularly canceled to me now anyway, at least no more so than, say, Animal Collective is cancelled because I don't listen to their stuff.
Yeah because you don't choose what you find funny.
But a group of writers and a TV corporation DO make decisions about what to put on their TV show
Re: RDJ in Tropic Thunder. I never felt like it was making fun of people that look like me. It felt like they went through a lot of work not to make RDJ look like a caricature. People in the movie were always making fun of him for going so far with his character.
That Sarah Silverman picture just makes me sad to see. I don't care about the content. It makes me feel bad as a black person to see somebody represent my people like that.
I don't know anything about the content, but that's how I feel whenever people bring RDJ and Tropic Thunder up.
That Sarah Silverman picture just makes me sad to see. I don't care about the content. It makes me feel bad as a black person to see somebody represent my people like that.
I don't know anything about the content, but that's how I feel whenever people bring RDJ and Tropic Thunder up.
Please, go ahead and tell me what I care about. I'm sure you know better than I do.
You'd have to be a total fucking caveman to cancel Sarah Silverman over some old comedy bits that she herself disowned.
Gunn was the target of a right wing hit campaign, Silverman was just the victim of a studio getting cold feet because they are worried about possible Twitter backlash. They are different in that regard, but otherwise they are similar I guess. Both people have apologized and shown real remorse and no longer do those sort of jokes.
Hollywood would basically have to close shop at this rate. One thing is criminal behavior or having backwards ass views in modern society.
But using the time machine for people asshole behavior? No one in society would be able to move forward I feel. Everyone has baggage.
You don't choose what you find funny but you'll blame the people that made you laugh for doing so.
I mean, I'm sure you care when others are displaying double standards or being hypocrites but do you care when you're doing it? This thread would say that no, you don't.
Multiple people are calling you out on this but you don't see it.
You are having a double standard and being hypocritical right now in this thread.
The practice of punishing people for a mistake they made more than a full decade ago, and now regret, is all kinds of stupid.
Except that it plainly and obviously does?
It's a shame you don't seem to understand satire because you are great at it.
The latter past I agree with you with. But:
"Sure, but the comedy isn't necessarily a reflection of their true views. Much like an actor, comedians are playing a part when on stage, a character."
Isn't that also on her to establish? If she's being critical of the behaviour and not just reveling in it, isn't that also her responsibility to make that clear just as it's her responsibility to make the joke funny? As Sarah Silverman herself says, there's a definite habit of white liberals to just imitate racism with nothing to differentiate it and then declare it to be fundamentally different because they, the person performing, aren't racist. She's done it herself in her comedy before and been called on it before.
I don't really care about the movie's hiring process here, they can do what they feel is appropriate. They have no obligation to hire anyone. And again, I also feel that Sarah Silverman has grown and think that's worthy of praise. But I just feel like these sort of threads reflect a lot of anger from people who are asked to think about the things they do and say and choose to instead lash out because they won't want to expend that effort.
I just want to quote this so more people can read it. I recall the episode was actually quite brilliant satire and those calling to "cancel" Silverman would have a different opinion on it if they actually watched it. Despite blackface being a subject that always crosses the line no matter what context today, this episode aired twelve years ago on Comedy Central.
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