Ending for-profit prisons is long overdue.
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Sanders unveils plan to fundamentally transform US criminal justice system
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Ending for-profit prisons is long overdue.
I sigh. This should be the default position. But yet, you will have people saying we can't do this, because it's hard.
I'm down for all that except this bit. Excessive bail is indeed a problem, but what does he mean by "an end to cash bail?" How would someone get bail otherwise?
The judge would decide whether a person could go home to wait for trial or was too much of a risk. Charging bail has two problems, first it means poor people don't get equal chances to go home and work on their defense as richer people, and second even innocent people can go into debt to stay out of jail because bail can end up quite pricey if you don't have cash onhand - imagine having to either take out a payday loan or go to jail (and thus not be able to work at all), and then the bail bondsman charges a percentage of the bail money if you can't afford it so even if you don't run you don't get that money back.
California already passed a law implementing this, though it got delayed because the bail bonds industry got a referendum into the 2020 vote, so they delayed the law going into effect until it gets voted upon.
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These all seem nice and reasonable. They don't actually solve police violence or systemic prison issues, but they at least hit the most egregious parts.
I think it means having some sort of collateral? Liquid cash is much harder to get.
I think it means having some sort of collateral? Liquid cash is much harder to get.
For me, Sanders is not a bad 2nd choice if my Queen Warren doesn't get the nom. I'll vote for Biden if I must. Fuck Trump.
Hey, she is proud of her work as a prosecutor, it's not about some fancy opinion on a stage but when they're in the position to actually make a decision, what do they do, and she is proud of her decisions!
pls dont
Well in New Jersey for example one of the things the state does is have a separate individualized hearing to determine if there is any reason why the accused should not be allowed back home.
In a single year when the law took effect in 2017, there was a 17% drop in jail population and cash bail had only been asked for in 33 out of roughly 33,400 cases.
I agree with everything in the op except outlawing the death penalty. Some people need to die after commuting some of the acts that they do. And I'm not saying wait years to execute them either. If you're a mass shooter or you've taken someone else's life without justifiable reason and there's photographic or video evidence that corroborates eye witness statements, oh your ass is gone within a week. Controversial I know, but whatever. People have to understand that killing another carries severe consequences.
basically the idea is that they fine you if you don't come back, you don't have to pay the money up front. someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Can't wait to see him put this in action without abolishing the Filibuster.
I love my boy and he's my number one but seriously how the fuck does he think he'll accomplish a fraction of his legislative agenda if he doesn't reverse his stance on this?
I love my boy and he's my number one but seriously how the fuck does he think he'll accomplish a fraction of his legislative agenda if he doesn't reverse his stance on this?
you guys have the death penalty and people still kill each other? it isn't a deterrent.
I see, sounds good to me.
I mean we don't really live in Hammurabi's code anymore so a idea of a death penalty is dumb
Name me any current candidate that is as well versed on policy than her. Second, she's a woman. I'm sick of old white men running shit. At least in debates, Bernie is a fucking broken record. He repeats the same shit I heard in 2016. Don't get me wrong,I like that shit, and like I said, he's a good 2nd choice.
yeah because shit's been fixed since then. what a dense thing to say lol
he's not touring for his new stand up special, he's running for office.
There is no need to bail. Either you are dangerous and you get to stay in a cell or you can go home and prepare for your defence.
This paying thing never made much sense American brothers
Yeah. Most of the people who do things like mass shootings and stuff of that nature are far beyond being scared off by that. Many of them go into it with the intention of committing suicide by cop anyways.
That doesn't really work for the mass shooter who is also counting on being killed by the cops. Sure if they stand trial and get the death penalty, let's say even quickly, at the end of the day they still get pretty much what they wanted in the first place and the damage has already been done.
Factual determination of their flight risk/danger to the public.
Obama managed to pass the ACA (Obamacare), and in a way that's been really hard for Republicans to take apart. A big part of it is getting enough people voted into Congress with you who will agree with you, and if he can manage to not get one of the sides actively going against everything he wants just because of who he is (which happened with both Obama and Trump), he could try and convince others, or give them concessions in exchange for votes or whatnot.
Just trying to implement things like this is a good start, even if you can't get them done it gets the idea out there, and shows how many people are interested.
This is all fine, but a major issue with our criminal justice system is that our prisons are garbage and employ garbage people. There are a lot of people who commit armed robbery and assault and deserve to go to prison but like... they don't deserve to be tortured in prison with these horrible conditions. Prison should be a time for violent criminals to learn life skills and self control, not to worry about getting raped or assaulted.
By not having bail. Like either going to risk or not at risk.
Vengeance isn't really a justification for lack of objective results. It's always much better to let some bad guys go than ruin a single innocent person. The death penalty is expensive, it's expensive because you have to get it right (and we still don't). It's cruel and it's unnecessary and it doesn't not act as a deterrent. Expediting it does not help anyone. What difference does it make if they are separated from society? Same outcome, but a much less corrupt system and much more of a fail-safe for error.
This kinda goes back to the philosophical discussion of what prison is in this country. Whether the populace believes it to be an institution for punishment or one for rehabilitation. Currently I'd say most people view it as the former.
It means no cash bail. Why is having wealth what determines if you can leave prison?
If you abolish prisons entirely, how do you isolate dangerous citizens from society? It's not like you can enforce house arrest for everybody.