Yeah, "Here's what we're gonna do. Either you vote in support of it or don't and we run against your vote in a couple years"
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Sanders: "I don't think our reaching out should go on indefinitely"; plans to use new role as Chairman of SBC to sidestep GOP obstruction on key bills
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I would say some did. Others are having to be bullied or dragged to get shit done.
Here is hoping Sanders can finally get his dream of some form of universal healthcare.
This the energy they must have. We do not have any time to be played around with some moderate darling trying to feel cute and neuter shit that can't afford to be underwhelming.
There was a correspondent on NPR that was whining about trying to get everything possible in the time they have as it would seem like a smash and grab. I sat there listening like, some progressives still want to play footsies with the fucking GOP, are you serious right now?
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Emergency Universal Healthcare might be considered a bit of a stretch.
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Check my post history if you think I'm biased against Sanders. I can guarantee you that several people on this forum would argue that I'm biased in favor of him. Wording aside, I was trying to be objective and provide context within limited space. Sorry if it came across the wrong way.
Having Harris serve as a barrier to "Vote-A-Rama" would be a badass move. One that the R's can't spin as easy as a vote against a poison pill amendment.
Its certainly risky, but since "Vote-A-Rama" really harms Dems, I think its a wise play.
Also, the R's tried to undo the ACA via reconciliation (literally via Obamacare Repeal Reconciliation Act), might as well try to expand it via reconciliation too, but to your point, it really drives home how fragile healthcare legislation could be.
Budget reconciliation abuse is the second least likely way around the filibuster and it has always been such, imo. I'm not sure why Bernie's stuck on that, and I'm not sure why people cheer that as a particularly good suggestion. I mean, budget reconciliation was likely to be used at least once before the current situation, but... Biden, even during the primary, had suggested the most likely way: changing the filibuster rule so it can't be used to indefinitely block bills. It gives cover to those that are against abolishing it and allows any type of bill to pass without having to worry about court challenges nearly as much.
Either way, if McConnell keeps up blocking people from being appointed to committees, then I think an outright filibuster nuke is probably going to happen, and before his stunt I'd say that's the least likely scenario.
Either way, if McConnell keeps up blocking people from being appointed to committees, then I think an outright filibuster nuke is probably going to happen, and before his stunt I'd say that's the least likely scenario.
OP isn't biased, he's concerned. The ACA has stood up to a series of legal challenges, but none of them was if the bill was passed properly.
Had the Obamacare Repeal Reconciliation Act (ORRA) passed it would have been challenged in courts as a miss-use of reconciliation. Now I don't think that would have won out at the Supreme Court*, but thats a process without a sure outcome. That could and will also be true if the ACA is modified via reconciliation. Its a risk.
* The entire reconciliation concept was an invention of congress, any attempt to subvert/change it by passing a bill that skirts the official limits may not trigger response by the SC, because its Congress deciding its own rules. Even so, I expect lower level courts may rule against any ACA exemptions via reconciliation, so AVA ends up in limbo while it works through he courts. This is real how the sausage is made stuff.
Definitely. Though the idea of Bernie and Warren in cabinet positions was one birthed of a vision of Democrats taking back a solid majority in the senate. With a tie-breaking majority, all those options were taken off the table.
legally dubious? the senate sets its own rules. Do you think the courts are going to intervene? as long as it's a majority of senators present and there is a least 50present. If the GOP objected then the dems who would just change the rules with a majority
Feels like this thread tried to throw some shade at Sanders based on the poll wording and it completely backfired.
I mean if your thinking is he's going to use it to get M4A and GND on Biden's desk, you might want to adjust your expectations. He's largely been pushing for the same stuff that Biden has.
Bernie's actually pretty well-versed in the restraints of reconciliation and what they can or can't include - I remember him convincing the parliamentarian to chop off a number of provisions in the ACA repeal bill the GOP tried to shove through. The fact that they're including the $15 minimum wage in this bill suggests they think they have a case for its inclusion, although like has been pointed out, nothing is stopping the VP from overruling the parliamentarian, either.
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Aye no lie, having brainchild back makes me more willing to engage in era again. :)
Remember the despair election night? Now we got Biden in the WH, a majority in both chambers, and bernie gets to spike bills with delicious progressive items.
Feels like you don't know who brainchild is. No but seriously he's the last person id label a Bernie hater.
I view this as a backup plan if nuking the filibuster doesn't happen. It's good that Bernie has the chair and will try to jam things through, but it's a lot messier and time consuming to do pass stuff this way.
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All facts.
Despite his ideologically "leftist" rhetoric, Bernie has always been pretty pragmatic as an elected official behind closed doors (he just doesn't market himself as a pragmatist).
Wow, I've been seeing this thread, but didn't notice the op until now when I just glanced at the avatar, and was like, "Oh wait, brainchild is back?"
When did you get back? :D
When did you get back? :D
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It's like stepping into the twilight zone whenever I see someone suggest I have a negative slant against Bernie, hahaha.
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Ah, guess you haven't posted much on this side since I didn't even notice until now, lol.
Welcome back. ;)
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Thanks, yeah I haven't posted much on this side since I've been back, but I definitely read a lot more content on this side 🙂
Well, yeah, I don't know everyone on this site, sorry.
It was just a really weird way to phrase it the poll, as it makes it sound like he's doing something shady and illegal.
Count me as a third vouching for your Bernie love.
...though you failed to catch the Miis in Breath of the Wild connection, so you're dead to me. 😛
Slightly more on topic, I can't fucking stand any rhetoric about Democrats needing to be bipartisan or reach across the aisle. The GOP literally encouraged an armed insurrection! They are the ones who need to "reach across the aisle" groveling for forgiveness.
Good. Democrats have been needed to move on from the "introduce good legislation that gets watered down severely until it's shit" for the sake of being able to say they 'reached across the aisle'
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Dana Bash repeatedly accuses Sanders (starting at 3:46) of being a hypocrite for alluding to abusing the budget reconciliation process despite lambasting republicans for doing the same thing.
Thing is, I have no objection with the accusation of hypocrisy, but what was she actually hoping to accomplish by doing that? It just seems like another one of those CNN "both sides" moments that really was a waste of time.