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That $55k a year comes out to to around $4583 a month. $3383 after you've paid your $1200 for your bunk, and after all the rest of the price gouging I'd be surprised if you'll have two cents to rub together by the end of the month. Madness.
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That $55k a year comes out to to around $4583 a month. $3383 after you've paid your $1200 for your bunk, and after all the rest of the price gouging I'd be surprised if you'll have two cents to rub together by the end of the month. Madness.
There will probably be another massive cultural correction within the next 20 years or so when the millennial generation decides crowding into cities is not "worth it" and they flee to the burbs en masse. There's some rumblings of it already.
However, the trend of the day is still "get your ass to the major cities".
However, the trend of the day is still "get your ass to the major cities".
I'm dead serious. Who the fuck would want that "life"? You work your ass off to live in a bunk bed with a bunch of people - you can't own anything because you don't actually have a house to put stuff in, you can't have a relationship, you can't have kids, etc.. Yeah people want different things from life, but if THIS is what someone wants, that is seriously sad.
Sounds like an ideal arrangement for people who need to commute and want a place to nap or sleep in case they don't feel like driving home.
They'll steal anything. There was that interview I saw with a dude living on skid row in LA. Said biggest thing stolen are shoes, even if they are dirty old and smelly.
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What doesn't kill you makes you stronger? They should charge extra for making your immune system stronger.
Median income in Columbus, OH is $79k. Seattle is $82k. DC is $82K.
The corporations won't have to do shit, people will gobble up a measly existance and defend it just fine without them.
The future is dimmer every day.
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Median household income in SF is a bit over six figures. Almost double the highest range in that chart.
"It's not what you make, it's what you save" is why some folks might find this setup appealing. Just out of college. Little to no possessions. Six figure job. Cheap (by SF standards) room.
I've known plenty of folks who treat it like a tour in the military (but better paid). They work a solid job in SF for 4-5 years. Get their equity. Dump most of their paycheck into investments and savings. Then leave for somewhere cheaper. Buy a house with 50-100% down and don't stress about money going forward.
Someone who is renting a one bedroom apartment at $3600/month is going to be fine on that same six figure salary, but they're also spending 3x as much on housing and won't have the same $$$ to save/invest.
It really all depends on personal goals. I wouldn't do this now, but if I were right out of college? I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't consider something like it.
Oh yeah I meant by plane it goes as low as like $70 for a round trip 1.5 hour flight.
For me other than SF and NYC I couldn't live anywhere else in the USA and I've moved around quite a lot in the past. Guess it's just different depending on the person.
There is but folks don't have the stomach for it anymore. But hey we get 5G while Carl clips his nails, Lou snores, and Frank watches Sailor Moon on full blast...
To be fair, some of the more extreme surburbia-hating socialists have given me the impression that this is what they want. Save the environment and stuff.
Eitherway, something definitely isn't working here.
I don't know much about Columbus but as far as I can remember Seattle and DC also both have housing "crises". They're not as bad as SF but it's not sunshine and roses there either.
It takes time for companies and the public to respond to these trends. If you went into college for web development because there's web dev jobs in SF, and then left with a degree 4 years later, you're not going to be able to suddenly choose between DC, Seattle and SF (I'm aware of Seattle's tech industry, this is just an example) unless the jobs already moved in the time you were in college. Skills are not universally transferable across the country.
this should be the level of state-funded shelter for the homeless
make sure you wear flip flops in the shower, that drain keeps getting backed up
I would encourage you to volunteer at a homeless shelter to understand that this is silly.
If you're single and never plan on having any sort of social life, sure this seems like a great idea.
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I can't speak to this anecdotally but it does make sense. If you're willing to live in one of the cheaper states for the rest of your life, it still makes sense to go to SF early on to build up your spending power and then flex it in middle America, or even in another country! Some people might prefer this to working 40k in Iowa for all their life.
It's really not that bad. Usually the people staying there are other young people if it was anything like my time working in Japan while living in similar guest houses.
Lots of nice younger out of college people working and hanging out together parties and stuff. Not something you do long term but a good fit for the right person.
With that said it's probably nothing like the ones in Japan and there ain't no love hotels here to go to when you get some action.
Capitalism makes idiots of us all, but these pod people are definitely leading the pack.
I was just thinking this. Skip the roundabout fashion and just go full coffin hotel.
In my experience ppl usually did that stuff under the covers quietly, in the restroom in the middle of the night or in the shower. There's a reason ppl use shower slippers at those places.
Yeah it's nasty I tried not to think about it too much while staying at guest houses in Japan but I can only imagine the amount of sticky that was in the restroom and shower.
Distance is distance, though. Admittedly, yes, air travel beats a 12-hour car ride, but by the same token here in NE Ohio I have Chicago, DC, NYC, and Toronto all available by the same flight time.
But yea, different folks with different ways. Admittedly, my absolute #1 spot is Washington DC and I get crazy looks when I mention it.
Fair point, and one worth considering, but then I have some issues with going into a field with such specialization that you become so heavily limited to a few precise locales. I get that that isn't really here nor there, since people did go into those fields and will continue to do so and that they did so for myriad reasons. My younger brother starts college this fall for computer science.
If anything, this gets more into the realm of fuck startup culture for not spreading out more than it did. I have the same issue with certain other cottage industries (one closer to my own interests is publishing, which has tons of smaller tentacles throughout the country but is still based primarily in NYC for no good reason).
'Toilet Paper and Noodles' is the name of my favorite prog-rock group
"One" of the cheaper states? SF is literally the most expensive city in the most expensive state in the country. Everything else is cheaper.
There's a... lifestyle element baked into startup culture which creates these kinds of problems I think. Startup culture wants a lot of infrastructure, services, amneties, that tend to centralize around urban centers. Fashionable restaurants, high end shopping, night life, and so on. These things won't be present in middle America.
And the reason startup culture wants these things is because young adults, especially college grads, want these things. They want the cosmopolitan/bohemian life, and they also have the skills to sustain tech, so tech capital sets up shop where there's a lot of these things, SF, NY, Seattle, and so on. This creates an unfortunate feedback loop that punishes all the locals who aren't in tech, and also the latecomers since now you need to tolerate even worse conditions and for even less pay if you're a college grad who wants to go into tech.
I mean if you envision living out your retirement in Idaho or Haiti, it makes sense to go to SF, build up wealth, then spend your savings in a cheaper state/country. You can hit that threshold for retirement much faster by working 10 years in SF than 30 years in Idaho.
This is why we have a lot of those "retire at 35" articles for yuppies. A lot of young adults don't want to work up to 60-65 like their parents did.
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i'm in the northeast where the situation isn't this dire yet, but still the second highest rent/mortgage and highest state taxes in the country
But if push came to shove, i'd rather live like this than move to a middle of nowhere desert red state with nothing in it and live among middle Americans
the 2 coasts are expensive for a reason
I can see this being an option if someone has $100,000 in student loan debt and they can get a job that pays six figures in San Francisco and they just need 2-3 years to get a comfortable start on life. But still, someone in that position should be able to get a job in NYC and live in Brooklyn or Queens and take the subway into Manhattan, and they won't have to live like this. There's other comparable examples where they could achieve the same head-start and it still be a good city. There's six-figure jobs for the young and ambitous in dozens of American cities. I guess the allure of San Francisco is just that strong. Like, it has to be that city.