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curious about Sony's mounting system. NVme drives are not the easiest to fit - oh just put it in at the right angle, pin it down, screw into place, strap a heat sink on top. And they seem pretty flimsy for people not famliiar with building PCs. I hope sony have a simple and relatively foolproof way to mount them, and obviously some access to heat dissipation internally to avoid throttling.
Wasn't there one by Aorus that's supposed to be even faster? We don't have the price for that one yet though
Huge markup as expected with all proprietary peripherals. Storage expansion is going to be very expensive for both consoles (since the PS5 only supports high end SSDs).
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Given the size of the unit, I'm kind of hopeful of a fairly sizeable bay surrounded by good airflow. Going with a fixed-size small expansion card probably helped Microsoft a little with their box form factors.
Well a 980 pro for my PS5 next year it is then.
The expansion SSD is made to Microsoft's spec and as long as it keeps up with the integrated SSD then that's fine with me but I definitely think a price drop will have to come sooner than later now.
The expansion SSD is made to Microsoft's spec and as long as it keeps up with the integrated SSD then that's fine with me but I definitely think a price drop will have to come sooner than later now.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16087/the-samsung-980-pro-pcie-4-ssd-review
The Firecuda 520 is also in the charts.
Real world in gaming probably won't be much of a difference, but time will tell.
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Damn I was basing my post of a story that was written a day or 2 ago and its already out of date!
I think the PS5 just has a slot at the back that you just put the SSD into. No screws required, as far as I know.
damn lol look at the size of that heat sink. wonder if the M.2 drive bay will have any issues with drives that big?
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Maybe, but we won't know for sure until either the PS5 comes out or Sony put out a "How to add an SSD to your PS5" video.
Doesn't it have less parts in it (NAND flash, but no memory controller right?). Wasn't the memory controller in the system and not the custom SSD?
Ya lmao seagate SSD's suck. I work at a computer shop and when we sold those they had such a high failure rate
The screw is only there because the M2 port on the mobo is angled by default to make it easier to insert, so it then has to be held in place.
We don't know how Sony's doing it on the PS5, but there a plenty of toolless ways to go about it. We'll see what they went with later I guess. Doubt they'll make you have to open it up and insert it straight on the mobo, so it likely won't be exactly the same process as if you were putting the drive in a computer.
There are multiple potential options for third party storage on PS5 afaik, which is great.
This is not true. Cerny said specifically you won't need to match the PS5 SSD speed necessarily.
From the benchmarks and real world testing I've seen seems like gen4 isn't really utilized to its full potential sadly.
Where did he say that? It's quite the opposite from what I can remember. 3rd party SSDs will have to have a higher speed to compensate for some other stuff.
But anyway, what counts as a high end SSD today won't be so high end and expensive tomorrow. End of 2021 you'll probably get an EVO with those speeds in a sale for 150 or less.
Yeah, PC needs something more than the fast drive. Maybe we'll see if games designed for these type of drives will help, but I doubt it will much.
It's important distinction, because storage of SD card variety (including Vita cards) is hilariously slow compared to Xbox expansion card.
Comparing this situation to Vita cards situation is far fetched imo. Sure, price could be slightly better, and I think it will with time, but for now it's fine. People with XSX won't even need to buy this card for at least 6-12 months.
The XBox SSD is a bit of a rip off. A weird choice to add PCIe 4.0 but only use 2 lanes instead of 4 - obviously a cost cutting measure.
Yea . Read is important for ps5 not write speed and it has to be minimum 7gb/s to keep up with ps5 ssd due to ps5 having 6 priority levels vs 2 in normal ssds
I don't see how it's ridiculous for someone not wanting to buy a product being produced by a company known for high failure rates but what do I know? People in here already have complained about how they've had drives fail from said company. I've experienced it also.
They're known to have high failure rates. The 360 was years ago, Seagate is known for it every year, so what are you even doing? I don't see the point.
I thought that not only you have to match it, but exactly because the external drives use less lanes than the 12 lanes of the internal drive, the drives need to be even faster than the internal.
I feel like we don't even really know if sequential speeds will even matter for games. It's entirely possible that even a SATA drive would be more than sufficient.
Well yeah I'm comparing specs of vita cards with SD, not specs of vita cards with this expansion obviously. The expansion card is being compared with NVMe drives which is a reasonable comparison. Making an analogy to Vita is not farfetched, it's the same question of proprietary cards that can only be used for one purpose vs a standard form factor which is shared with other platforms. Standardized SSDs become cheaper due to brand competition and economies of scale. Form factor for these things is pointless if they're not being carried around with a portable console.
Their SSDs have high failure rates? News to me. I tried doing some searching and all I found was HDD failure rates sadly. Could have missed something. Thought there were issues from their HDDs from five or so years ago.
What am I doing? Thinking that anecdotal evidence is silly and pointing it out by using a ridiculous example. The reason I used the 360 was because it was years and years ago.
I'm pretty sure that Quick Resume feature heavily depends on sequential speeds.
It's actually pretty much 3x the speed, but yea, disappointing the XS expansions are as expensive as they are, especially given the performance.
Being proprietary also means you can't really use them for anything else, whereas the Samsung SSD you could always swap to your PC if you ever needed to.
Being proprietary also means you can't really use them for anything else, whereas the Samsung SSD you could always swap to your PC if you ever needed to.
The "hot-swappable" nature of any drive is an OS feature, not a hardware feature. If sony wants the drives to be hot-swappable, then they will be.
I can't think of a single reason why MS went with their kinda SSD expansion choice... then again, I can. Even a standard NVMe 3.0 SSD would have been a better choice and offered similar to better performance.
You can literally get a Samsung 1TB 3500MB read and 2500MB write SSD for around $160 right now.
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I mean. But it does. SSD reliability is way higher than HDD reliability, and anecdotes about one type of product tend not to be super applicable to another type of product. Seagate's tested and documented SSD reliability is actually higher than most manufacturers, especially in recent years. But, people will default to stories and memories instead anyway lol. Oh well.
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Oop. Bad double post, underestimated the speed of this thread.
At this point, I think we're all making guesses in the dark until Sony confirms what their external solution is specifically and what drives will work with the console. Maybe it IS more than we expected and they figured out a way to get by with far less advanced SSDs. Or maybe not even these drives will work. Interested to find out.
For the PS5??? That would be crazy. Would somewhat undercut their own narrative about the primacy of a ridiculously fast SSD, but.. I guess that'd be good news for most of us.
I mean.. but not entirely. If you have to, say, unscrew and rescrew a new drive, then it doesn't matter how many OS features you have - you'd be hard pressed to call that hot-swappable, no?
At this point, I think we're all making guesses in the dark until Sony confirms what their external solution is specifically and what drives will work with the console. Maybe it IS more than we expected and they figured out a way to get by with far less advanced SSDs. Or maybe not even these drives will work. Interested to find out.
I have three friends who Seagate SSD failed on them within a year of buying it. One of them went through 3 replacements.
It is faster, and should be in order to be compatible with the PS5. External drives have to be faster than the internal SSD because they use less access lanes.
That's not actually true. Up to 970 Pro Samsung used MLC (multi level cell) storage, now they changed to the way less stable TLC (triple) storage. TLC is faster and cheaper as MLC, but therefore the performance drastically drop if the buffer runs full, which happens e.g. faster if the drive is full. Still the Samsung drive has impressive numbers, but this has just nothing to do with drop of NAND prices, they just use a cheaper solution.
It may be possible that you are confusing the meaning of the term hot-swappable.
It simply means you can replace or switch a drive without having to first turn the system off. If you have to screw anything, open an enclosure...etc, has nothing to do with it.
It's also kina easy knowing what kinda drives would work with the PS5, based on what sony has said. You need an SSD that is faster than what the PS5 SSD is, to compensate for the slower access times that that SSD would have in comparison to the internal PS5 SSD. Makes a lot of sense if you think about it.