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Nov 2, 2017
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Ever? I mean right now all lighting is basically fake to make it look this good without RT, which requires a crazy amount of resources. It would make sense to move away from this eventually but I'd say we're still at least 15 years off haha


If you're being stingy about $50 for a $500 GPU only to play on 1080p there's something wrong with you lol
I don't agree. I think $80 is a pretty substantial price difference, especially when it doesn't gain you much if any performance. You could make the same argument about the 6800 vs 6800xt. Actually it's an even better argument as the gap between the 6800 & 6800xt seems quite a bit larger than the gap between the 3070 & 6800.

Compared to the 6800xt the 6800 seems pretty meh.
 

Readler

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Oct 6, 2018
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I mean, power efficiency, I guess we'll have to see how well these cards undervolt, because on 3080 you can remove 80 Watts for barely a hit on performance, and you have that performance margin in most games it seem. Efficiency depends on where manufacturers placed default frequencies & Volts. If RDNA 2 can undervolt as good, then yeah, I guess we can give them efficiency crown for pure rasterization.
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RDNA2 actually seems to run faster on an undervolt, due to lower temps, which allows the core to therefore clock higher.
Here the 6800X was undervolted from 1.15V to 1.025V.
 

Readler

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I don't agree. I think $80 is a pretty substantial price difference, especially when it doesn't gain you much if any performance. You could make the same argument about the 6800 vs 6800xt. Actually it's an even better argument as the gap between the 6800 & 6800xt seems quite a bit larger than the gap between the 3070 & 6800.

Compared to the 6800xt the 6800 seems pretty meh.
The 3070 is already running into problem with it 8 GBs of GDDR6 VRAM. I'm not saying that $80 is not a lot of money, I'm saying that if you're going for the 3070 - a $500 card - only to then play at 1080p, you are wasting you're money anway, since that is the only scenario + 1440p where the 3070 beats the 6800. I do agree that the 6800 should be slightly cheaper to make this an even stronger argument, I honestly just don't see why anyone would go for a 3070 unless they really care about some nice reflections (sorry, but that's all we're currently getting in terms of RT :( )
 

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Nov 4, 2017
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howdy, you've seen a bunch of benchmarks already, but here's my review published earlier this morning:

arstechnica.com

AMD Radeon RX 6800, 6800XT review: The 1440p GPU beasts you’ve been craving

Equivalent Nvidia GPUs beaten in significant cases—but not in ray tracing.

AMD isn't charging users a particular premium to enjoy a hefty pool of VRAM on top of everything else the RX 6000 series offers. It's not a ray-tracing champ by any stretch, and its 4K capabilities vary on a game-by-game basis, but I've seen a lot of people say they don't care about either of those PC gaming scenarios now or in the near future. AMD was clearly reading those comment sections when putting the RX 6000 series together, and the results on both of this week's new cards are good enough for competitive 4K gaming and overkill 1440p performance.

Now, it just remains to be seen how many of the comment sections about card availability Red Team has read.
 

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Damn, that's great.
But comparing my 3080, those are quite the voltajes. I currently run an UV of 850mV.
Isn't perf/W still more important? At stock, a 6080XT still pulls nearly 30W less than a 3080 does.

Probably not very power efficient at that point, as with all OC.

The idle power draw looked good from HWUB, which is something I'm a weirdo that appreciate, spending 99% of my time on the desktop.
It consumes about as much as a 3080 FE lmao
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Readler

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Maybe, but I can assure you that Ampere in general is pushed too far. My 3080 loses almost no performance and is "only" 260w.
Yup, that's the consensus. Ampere is already operating at its highest possible peak, which is why it's terrible for OC but also kinda good because you don't have to worry about that nonsense.
I guess 6800XT should perform similarly then, a decrease of 0.1V should reduce consumption by ~30W...I guess haha
 

RealDealRusty

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Jan 8, 2019
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I have a G-sync display and looking to upgrade my 1070 as soon as I can. should I go for AMD instead of a 3070? I was worried about losing out on G-sync.
 

mordecaii83

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Oct 28, 2017
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that and Nvidia is getting ready to release SAM on Ampere that will work on both AMD and Intel CPUs so that's anther box from amd unclicked
Wait, really? Excellent news! Do we know when it's being released?

On topic, I'm really glad to see the 6800 and 6800XT finally bring AMD back to being competitive again. The RT performance is disappointing as expected and the missing DLSS hurts, but this is the closest AMD has been in a while and it's really exciting to see where they go from here.
 

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Oct 28, 2017
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The 3070 is already running into problem with it 8 GBs of GDDR6 VRAM. I'm not saying that $80 is not a lot of money, I'm saying that if you're going for the 3070 - a $500 card - only to then play at 1080p, you are wasting you're money anway, since that is the only scenario + 1440p where the 3070 beats the 6800. I do agree that the 6800 should be slightly cheaper to make this an even stronger argument, I honestly just don't see why anyone would go for a 3070 unless they really care about some nice reflections (sorry, but that's all we're currently getting in terms of RT :( )
Which games are already hitting a wall at 8 gigs that aren't already compute limited at those settings?
 

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Wait, really? Excellent news! Do we know when it's being released?

On topic, I'm really glad to see the 6800 and 6800XT finally bring AMD back to being competitive again. The RT performance is disappointing as expected and the missing DLSS hurts, but this is the closest AMD has been in a while and it's really exciting to see where they go from here.

Unknown right now and may require AMD and Intel to support it. Currently SAM is locked into 5000 series Ryzen.
 

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Feb 3, 2019
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I was able to buy a 6800 from AMD's site this morning at 9. I would've preferred a 3070 overall but I don't foresee reasonable stock of that hitting Canada until March or April so you've gotta take what you can get.
 

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samred

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You posted in your review about HDMI 2.1 issues. Were you able to test any of the card's HDMI 2.1 features, like VRR, or did it just flat out keep failing?

VRR + 120Hz max + a 4:4:4 implementation of HDR-10 functioned as expected. (LG CX panels come with an AMD-specific toggle, which I used instead of default HDMI 2.1 VRR.)
 
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Ikouros

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Oct 26, 2017
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Did anyone else in the UK get a 6800 from AMD's site for only £535? My payment's gone through, VAT and shipping included, about £45 less than I expected.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Now the scalpers get directly supplied by the manufacturers.
The only two German retailers that got them, wanted 820 Euros for the 6800 XT and 740 for the 6800.
Fuck this...
 

Pulp

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Nov 4, 2017
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Went on at 9:03 and I didn't even get to see the cards available lmao. At least the biggest retailer here has implemented some anti-bot measures which is nice. Let's see how many AIB cards we get next week.
 

Big-E

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Oct 25, 2017
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I currently only have a 1080p screen but will most likely upgrade to a 1440p screen in the near future. In terms of these benchmarks, is the 6800 worth it over the 3070 at the lower resolutions or is the 3070 better for the price?
 

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I currently only have a 1080p screen but will most likely upgrade to a 1440p screen in the near future. In terms of these benchmarks, is the 6800 worth it over the 3070 at the lower resolutions or is the 3070 better for the price?
looks like it's quite better. some outlets show the performance per dollar better at 1440p than 4k
 

ShinUltramanJ

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Oct 27, 2017
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Damn...that 6800XT is looking really good. My heart still wants to hold out another generation though. I've never skipped a gen of GPUs and I really need to start doing so.
 

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Wait, really? Excellent news! Do we know when it's being released?

On topic, I'm really glad to see the 6800 and 6800XT finally bring AMD back to being competitive again. The RT performance is disappointing as expected and the missing DLSS hurts, but this is the closest AMD has been in a while and it's really exciting to see where they go from here.
They haven't said when but it will just be a software update. They have specified it will work on PCIe 3.0 systems and not be limited to new 4.0 systems and CPUs. They have it done in house already so I would expect it early 2021
 

oakenhild

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Oct 27, 2017
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Did any reviews look at the AMF (I think that's what AMD calls it) vs the Nvidia NVENC for hardware video encoding latency and performance?
 

Spoit

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Oct 28, 2017
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Computerbase I think. Pretty good site BTW but only german I think?
FWIW, the only tests that had a meaningful difference @4k there for the 3070 vs 2080ti were COD:MW and Gears tactics. And the former actually had the 3070 do better than the 2080ti when RT was turned on

www.computerbase.de

AMD Radeon RX 6800 und RX 6800 XT im Test: Die Taktraten, Benchmarks in Full HD, WQHD sowie Ultra HD und Raytracing

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT im Test: Die Taktraten, Benchmarks in Full HD, WQHD sowie Ultra HD und Raytracing / Testsystem und Testmethodik
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Impossible to get like the 3080. At the very least they are much cheaper than the 3080 here. A 3080 is about 1000$ CAD and the 6800xt was going for 850$ CAD.

Curious about how the AIB will perform especially Sapphire, Powercolor and the liquid cooled card from ASUS. I need a GPU to finish my PC and it's starting to be really annoying that I cannot get one.