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dgrdsv

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,885

Ra

Rap Genius
Moderator
Oct 27, 2017
12,207
Dark Space
6800xt had no caveats
6800 had smart access
6900xt had smart access AND rage mode

but yes, people get hyped seeing manufacturers charts immediately ,i dont understand why, the Ampere charts were misleading as fuck too and that was only like 2 months ago lol
6800 XT didn't? Damn I need to rewatch. This is why I hate ***graphs, they confuse the hell out of me.
 

asmith906

Member
Oct 27, 2017
27,399
why are people complaining about rage mode.

I doubt the performance is going to tank with rage mode off.

The fact that you can even get comparable performance at the high end I thought is what we all wanted.
 

Serious Sam

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,354
The "AMD optimizations from consoles" bit was proven to fall flat with this past generation, no? I don't recall any hand me downs translating to PC.
Did you forget that a ton of Xbox -> PC ports ran exceptionally well on cheaper AMD cards? Gears, Forza, etc. It took years for Nvidia to catch up to that performance, it was embarrassing. Same thing with Vulkan.
 

pulsemyne

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,641
While the cards maybe competative regarding rasterization performance we know next to nothing abour RT performance and that should be worrying because if it was competative they would have made a lot of noise about it. If the 6800xt is only as good as the rumour suggests (2080ti ray tracing performance) then the card is just not as good as the 3080 and not quite as future proof.
As for DLSS well that is just flipping black magic at this point. Watch dogs perfomance is hot garbage without it but with it, well the game is actually about to avergae 60fps with raytracing on medium on my 2070 at 3440x1440. Impressive.
 

dgrdsv

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,885
teraflop numbers? someone
6800
60 "CUs"
60x64x2=7680
At "game clock" - 7680x1815 = 13.9 tflops
At "boost clock" - 7680x2105 = 16.2 tflops

6800XT
72 "CUs"
72x64x2=9216
At "game clock" - 9216x2015 = 18.6 tflops
At "boost clock" - 9216x2250 = 20.7 tflops

6900XT
80 "CUs"
80x64x2=10240
At "game clock" - 10240x2015 = 20.6 tflops
At "boost clock" - 10240x2250 = 23.0 tflops
 

tusharngf

Member
Oct 29, 2017
2,288
Lordran
6800
60 "CUs"
60x64x2=7680
At "game clock" - 7680x1815 = 13.9 tflops
At "boost clock" - 7680x2105 = 16.2 tflops

6800XT
72 "CUs"
72x64x2=9216
At "game clock" - 9216x2015 = 18.6 tflops
At "boost clock" - 9216x2250 = 20.7 tflops

6900XT
80 "CUs"
80x64x2=10240
At "game clock" - 10240x2015 = 20.6 tflops
At "boost clock" - 10240x2250 = 23.0 tflops
Thanks.. is this boost clock works like ps5 ?
 

Bossking

Member
Nov 20, 2017
1,430
I see that the new AMD card is optimized for Ryzen processors. Any idea on how much intel users will suffer if they get a 6000x card? I have an i7-10700k.
 

eathdemon

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,690
yup hate to say it, but its a 3070 for me, not great from amd, and lets not forget their node advantage.
 

Shoichi

Member
Jan 10, 2018
10,456
Competition between the brands is good. Neither can relax and rest on their laurels

I'm still happy with my 3080 but that 6900xt seems very nice for the price for those interested in that card.(it's hard to beat EVGAs warranty with water cooling the card for me...)
 
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Gabbo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,567
Well I was hoping for lower price on the 6800XT, but I'll wait and see some real world/aib reviews for it and the 6800 before I decide where to take my next build.
my 970 will survive a while longer
 

McFly

Member
Nov 26, 2017
2,742
I'm here for this. People want high performance at bargain price but AMD is like nope.
 

Orayn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,972
I might be in for a 6800XT instead of an RTX3080 for 1440p high framerate. Increased chances of actually getting a card plus saving some money, but at the cost of DLSS and RTX. My Dell S2716DG is specifically a G-sync monitor, so I guess I lose my VRR too? Or has that situation changed at all?
 

Cronen

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,762
I have a GTX 970 and was considering a 3070, but I think I'll now wait until these come out.
 

caff!!!

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,031
I might be in for a 6800XT instead of an RTX3080 for 1440p high framerate. Increased chances of actually getting a card plus saving some money, but at the cost of DLSS and RTX. My Dell S2716DG is specifically a G-sync monitor, so I guess I lose my VRR too? Or has that situation changed at all?
Yep, no VRR on it unless you buy green
 

Night Hunter

Member
Dec 5, 2017
2,797
Ok, so as someone who is fine with 1080p or 1440p gaming, is there like a 6700 coming out some time, maybe early 2021?
 

maabus1999

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,962
Not seeing AMD picking up market share with these offerings at all. Somewhat underwhelming too since RT was ignored completely.
 

Ra

Rap Genius
Moderator
Oct 27, 2017
12,207
Dark Space
Did you forget that a ton of Xbox -> PC ports ran exceptionally well on cheaper AMD cards? Gears, Forza, etc. It took years for Nvidia to catch up to that performance, it was embarrassing. Same thing with Vulkan.
I don't know that AMD having better performance in some games had anything to do with console optimizations, and I'd never seen any reviewer claim as much.

I might be in for a 6800XT instead of an RTX3080 for 1440p high framerate. Increased chances of actually getting a card plus saving some money, but at the cost of DLSS and RTX. My Dell S2716DG is specifically a G-sync monitor, so I guess I lose my VRR too? Or has that situation changed at all?
The S2716DG has a G-Sync module right? That means no VRR with AMD GPUs.
 

Omeganex9999

Member
Oct 25, 2017
765
London
After being burned by the abysmal launch of the 3080 I thought I would postpone my purchase of a new GPU...

... I'll probably try to get a 6800xt at launch
 

Fireclad

Member
Oct 27, 2017
597
The Void
Need to see RT performance, a dlss competitor, and more reports of driver stability. I just switched from having an old 290x and the drivers constantly crashing drove me crazy. Made me absolutely hate PC gaming.
 

Adum

Member
May 30, 2019
925
I feel like AMD missed the mark on the lower end. The RX 6800 is compared to the 2080 ti, but we know that the 3070 is actually the better comparison.

3070: Starting at 499
RX 6800: Starting at 579

I think nvidia won here when they delayed the 3070 reviews. The 3070 is the king for the next generation in terms of value. On the flip side they crused the 3090.
Whether you misrepresented the data on purpose or not, this is how misinformation starts. The RX 6800 isn't just compared to the 2080ti, it shows better performance across the board. Even without smart access it'd still be ahead (since amd said that smart access only gives a small boost to performance in most games). On the other hand the RTX 3070 is just on par with the 2080ti with some games benchmarks showing it's very slightly behind in performance. There is no winning here. The RX 6800 gives slightly better performance with much a much higher vram capacity for $80 more while the RTX 3070 looks equally good with slightly lower performance and lower vram at a lower price point.


Thanks.. is this boost clock works like ps5 ?
From what we know about how the smartshift and GPU/CPU works in the PS5, it's something different from how discrete PC GPU clocks work.
 

PuppetMinion

The Fallen
Nov 1, 2017
2,299

Lol, I just remembered that my main monitor actually is g sync...(how the heck did I forget that) And after googling, you can't just use freesync on such an monitor with an AMD card...

well that put some water on my excitement over maybe buying an AMD card

*edit* I was wrong, free does work with my Asus MG278Q
 
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TSM

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,823
The S2716DG has a G-Sync module right? That means no VRR with AMD GPUs.

I bought an ASUS PG259QN which is a hardware gsync monitor, and it also supports freesync over displayport.

Edit: Looking into it Nvidia apparently opened support for freesync on gsync monitors at some point after November 2019:

www.tftcentral.co.uk

NVIDIA Open Up Support for Adaptive-sync/FreeSync for Future Native G-sync Module Screens - TFTCentral

Share this contentIn the last year we’ve seen a distinct change to NVIDIA’s approach to variable refresh rates (VRR) and their ‘G-sync’ technology. Historically there was a clear demarcation between....[click link for more]

So it's worth checking if your monitor was released sometime after that.
 

Cruxist

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,820
Looking good. I'd like to wait for reviews before picking a GPU, obviously. I know where the 3080 excels, and I feel like I need more info about this card's Ray Tracing. That being said, this looks like a good alternative. And after a certain point, I'll take what I can actually physically buy.
 

PuppetMinion

The Fallen
Nov 1, 2017
2,299
I bought an ASUS PG259QN which is a hardware gsync monitor, and it also supports freesync over displayport. So it's definitely worth investigating about freesync support for those with hardware gsync monitors.

And my hype is back. Just checked my version, it does support freesync. my earlier search was wrong
 

Okabe

Is Sometimes A Good Bean
Member
Aug 24, 2018
19,928
shiiiiit im so excited because when i purchase my build in two weeks everything will be cheaper <3

it's been a good month
 

Ra

Rap Genius
Moderator
Oct 27, 2017
12,207
Dark Space
I bought an ASUS PG259QN which is a hardware gsync monitor, and it also supports freesync over displayport.

Edit: Looking into it Nvidia apparently opened support for freesync on gsync monitors at some point after November 2019:

www.tftcentral.co.uk

NVIDIA Open Up Support for Adaptive-sync/FreeSync for Future Native G-sync Module Screens - TFTCentral

Share this contentIn the last year we’ve seen a distinct change to NVIDIA’s approach to variable refresh rates (VRR) and their ‘G-sync’ technology. Historically there was a clear demarcation between....[click link for more]

So it's worth checking if your monitor was released sometime after that.
Huh I had no idea Nvidia/monitor manufacturers did that. Thanks for chiming into the discussion.

I must have read an old review for the Dell because it said AMD support was a no go.
 

Big-E

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,169
Disappointed on price for the 6800. I don't see anything here to get me to choose that over the 3070 right now.
 

Ramathevoice

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,930
Paris, France
Color me intrigued! I'm thinking of building a new rig and I haven't had an all-AMD system since around 2006 or so (Athlon 64 + X1900XT), so I'm really curious as to how a 5600X + 6800XT system would perform.
 

Advc

Member
Nov 3, 2017
2,632
These new GPUs make the 2080ti look like the worst value card ever made. How did Nvidia got away with charging $1200 bucks for it for 2 years!? Bless competition. Glad to see AMD being competitive on the high-end GPU space! This was much, much needed to lower those terrible prices on the high-end field.

On the mid-range, the 3070 seems to continue being the best value right now. Looking forward for real world benchmarks anyways!
 

Polioliolio

Member
Nov 6, 2017
5,396
I don't know this world as well as others here. I wanted a 3080 but from what I can tell the 6800xt is the better choice, is that right?
 

Tacitus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,039
I don't know this world as well as others here. I wanted a 3080 but from what I can tell the 6800xt is the better choice, is that right?

AMD was very quiet on raytracing performance, so it depends if you want that from your new card. Also they have no DLSS competitor besides a promise for a future one. Nvidia has also traditionally had a better software/driver package. Things might be different for that this time, but we won't know before independent reviews.
 

Typhest

Member
Oct 26, 2017
43
These new GPUs make the 2080ti look like the worst value card ever made. How did Nvidia got away with charging $1200 bucks for it for 2 years!? Bless competition. Glad to see AMD being competitive on the high-end GPU space! This was much, much needed to lower those terrible prices on the high-end field.

On the mid-range, the 3070 seems to continue being the best value right now. Looking forward for real world benchmarks anyways!

I'm not suggesting that it was a great value, but you have to keep in mind that I've had 3070 performance for over 2 years now... there is a time factor to this too.
 

BeI

Member
Dec 9, 2017
5,982
I wish consoles didn't have to be the only "budget" RDNA2 options for the near future.
 

ravnelis

Prophet of Regret
Member
Jan 1, 2018
651
Is it me, or it's been a really, really long time since AMD competed in the high end? What was their last card to compete with the most powerful Nvidia card? 7970?

I'm excited to see more on Super Resolution. Seems interesting and potentially will also come to consoles, which makes it even more interesting.
 
May 31, 2018
303
Ohio
Definitely going to be in for a 6800xt upgrade from my 5700xt. The 6900xt is extremely tempting, but I'll need to see some benchmarks and a few AIB cards.

I have a Reference 5700xt, and will probably be getting a AIB model this go around. Does Gigabyte usually make AMD cards, or would something like a Red Devil probably be the best bet?