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RX 6800 ($579)/6800 XT ($649)/6900 XT ($999) launch on Nov 18/Dec 8

MrKlaw

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Lump said:
Pretty interesting and tempting raster competition to Nvidia's offerings.

Nvidia is the preferred card for games that do RT / DLSS, but those titles are still only a handful right now. DLSS is just not available for the majority of upcoming titles.

If you're a user who wants extremely really fast raster performance and you feel like you want to wait another generation or two for RT performance to mature across the board, AMD seems the way to go. Maybe you have a 4k/120 display and want to prioritize that performance over RT - that's a perfectly understandable position to have.
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well the differneces in performance and price (at least for 3080/6800xt) don't seem that dramatic. Would'nt it seem more likely that you'd see the 3080 as the safer bet as you get similar rasterisation performance and the beneift of a relatively mature DLSS solution that will hopefully start to be much more adopted across games?
 
Tygre

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Say it with me:

Never. Trust. Internal. Benchmarks.

Wait until these things are in the hands of independent testers to see a true picture of what's ahead and where.
 
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vestan

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6800 XT is horrible value, like at that point why not just get a 3080? (don't reply to this post I know why)

6900 XT is really fucking good though
 
nogoodnamesleft

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Galava said:
The 6900xt might topple 3090 at raster, but RT perf is where's at, and they haven't showed that.
I have a bad feeling about this.
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as a 3080 owner, i rarely turn that shit on. it looks great for stills and the shinies but at the moment i still dont want the performance hit it entails.

i still think we are at least 2 generations where full RT is viable without having to rely on dlss for 1440p ultra gaming and, ofc, 4k ultra with 60+fps
 

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Steve talks about DLSS and ray tracing at the 14 minute mark.

Steve talks about Radeon driver issues at around 22:30
 
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ILikeFeet

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the 6800XT is looking mighty fine. I think their super resolution solution will be performant enough. the 6800 is...eh? hard to say until we know just how much smart boosts increases performance and if it's available to Zen 2/1 owners. the 6900XT is poised exceptionally well, unless you need all that ram and compute for non-gaming purposes

the lack of RT performance is disappointing, especially when games will be using more of it going forward. and as an artist, I want good RT performance above all else
 
Xiofire

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Bryant21 said:
I feel like AMD missed the mark on the lower end. The RX 6800 is compared to the 2080 ti, but we know that the 3070 is actually the better comparison.

3070: Starting at 499
RX 6800: Starting at 579

I think nvidia won here when they delayed the 3070 reviews. The 3070 is the king for the next generation in terms of value. On the flip side they crused the 3090.
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It has double the VRAM, which will help it a lot in 4K benchmarks over the 3070 I feel.
 
Linus815

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The 6800 seems the worst value to me of the 3. Seems only a few % faster than 3070 while costing more. The extra VRAM is nice, though.
 
Ryhian

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vestan said:
6800 XT is horrible value, like at that point why not just get a 3080? (don't reply to this post I know why)

6900 XT is really fucking good though
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Yeah, why not just buy a 3080 cause thats not too tough. But jokes aside, I feel like they may have come in at higher pricing due to the shortage of Nvidia supply, which might or might not work out for them. Who's to say in Q1 if/when Nvidia actually have a working supply AMD doesnt slash prices of these cards (aside from the 6900)?
 
Kingpin Rogers

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Was never going to be interested in an AMD card due to have a gsync tv but seeing this I don't feel bad about missing out on AMD.
 
RazieltheShifter

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Lump said:
Pretty interesting and tempting raster competition to Nvidia's offerings.

Nvidia is the preferred card for games that do RT / DLSS, but those titles are still only a handful right now. DLSS is just not available for the majority of upcoming titles.

If you're a user who wants extremely really fast raster performance and you feel like you want to wait another generation or two for RT performance to mature across the board, AMD seems the way to go. Maybe you have a 4k/120 display and want to prioritize that performance over RT - that's a perfectly understandable position to have.
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Honestly, I think that's most sensible analysis of current situation. It will be clearer when benchmarks are released.
 
Trago

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So the takeaway here is that, they've pretty much caught up in terms of rasterized performance, but they've got some work to do in terms of software/features.

AMD being competitive in the GPU space is really good to see.

16GB of VRAM is fuckin' ace.
 
Herne

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Something should be written in the OP that there is a DLSS alternative, we just don't know anything about it yet.
 
Anomander

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No mention of ray tracing means it's inferior to Nvidia's. But that 6900XT is definitely a better value than 3090.
 
jukeboxhero2396

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I don't really care about raytracing, but the performance boost is nice. I know RT eventually will be the future but these cards seem nice for 1440p ultrawide.
 
Serene

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6800XT only $50 cheaper than the 3080, even if the similar performance is true, when AMD is so far behind on the software/driver side is not enough to me.
 
Nooblet

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Linus815 said:
It means that you're only getting that performance if you have a 5000 series ryzen. Everyone else will have slightly lower perf, as explained by AMD. Smart access boosted fps by 13% in a game.
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Apparently that's only for the 6800, for 6800XT they didn't use smart access and were competitive with 3080.
 
Ravager777

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Do we know yet the dimensions of the cards, 6900 XT in particular?

Edit: Found it on AMD website.

Dimensions for 6900 XT
Length: 267 mm
Slot Size: 2.5 slots

Seems small enough to fit in the NZXT H1
 

ratsrepus33

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I'm sure more variants will come out from both parties, but up in Canada, the cheapest AMD offering will probably be $799 (6800) and Nvidia $700-750 (3070).

Here's hoping for the 3060 and 6700 sooner than later!
 
LightKiosk

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I really wanted to see their DLSS equivalent in action. They kinda skimmed over it as well, so yeah, quite interesting.
 
theAllseeingEYE

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Dr. Doom said:
Those prices are shit. I'd rather buy a 3080 or 3070.
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It's hard to argue with the Nvidia 3000 RT and DLSS performance, but $579 for significantly better than 2080 ti/ 3070 performance of the 6800 is very appealing. Also, the performance boost these cards get when paired with the AMD 5000 cpus is very interesting.

AMD easily has the best choice for the high-end in my opinion. The 6900 XT price blows the 3090 price out of the water. Given that DLSS 2.0 still has weak adoption, that would mean the vast majority of games will run just as good or better on a 6900 XT.

Looking forward to seeing reviews and RT benchmarks. Hopefully they match 2080ti there
 
djplaeskool

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It's competition, I'll say that, but it's not the kill-shot I was hoping for. AMD needs to catch up on the software side, and fast.
 
finalflame

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It still makes no sense to me to get a 6800XT over a 3080 for a $50 price difference, given you could actually find a 3080, which is a big if. The 6900XT is definitely twisting nVidia's arm on the 3090, but they are different cards, with the 3090 definitely being more geared towards workstation tasks with an additional 8GB or VRAM. I think 6900XT is the better gaming card, but it lacks DLSS and RTX, so.

I will be excited to see what happens with AMD next year once their DLSS competition is out. I suspect nVidia will still stay ahead with DLSS, they have a huge first to market advantage.

The 6800XT would have been a huge win at 599, and 6800 at $499, but alas.
 
Serious Sam

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Bryant21 said:
I feel like AMD missed the mark on the lower end. The RX 6800 is compared to the 2080 ti, but we know that the 3070 is actually the better comparison.

3070: Starting at 499
RX 6800: Starting at 579

I think nvidia won here when they delayed the 3070 reviews. The 3070 is the king for the next generation in terms of value. On the flip side they crused the 3090.
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I think the way you compared these cards is very shortsighted. You have to keep in mind that whatever GPU optimizations developers will do for next-gen console games will directly benefit RX 6800 and all other 6000 series cards. Also, twice amount of VRAM. Basically you are set for entire next gen with RX 6800 as far as VRAM is concerned. So because of these factors I think these 6000 cards will age extremely well.
 
Davilmar

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jukeboxhero2396 said:
I don't really care about raytracing, but the performance boost is nice. I know RT eventually will be the future but these cards seem nice for 1440p ultrawide.
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Don't remind me on the monitors. I'm agonizing on whether to get a monitor now and be chill for years, or wait for a 4K ultrawide monitor that might come with HDMI 2.1.
 
gothmog

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Gotta see actual real world benchmarks, but I really don't think AMD would price these cards this way if they didn't feel they represented the value vs the competition. The pricing is just too odd to be random.
 
Ra

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All of the benches being shown with Smart Access enabled puts asterisks on everything. We'll have to wait for professional reviews with Intel based systems.

I hate to be that guy but it is what it is.

Serious Sam said:
I think the way you compared these cards is very shortsighted. You have to keep in mind that whatever GPU optimizations developers will do for next-gen console games will directly benefit RX 6800 and all other 6000 series cards. Also, twice amount of VRAM. Basically you are set for entire next gen with RX 6800 as far as VRAM is concerned. So because of these factors I think these 6000 cards will age extremely well.
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The "AMD optimizations from consoles" bit was proven to fall flat with this past generation, no? I don't recall any hand me downs translating to PC.
 
Pulp

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Not that concerned about RT performance to be honest. It will probably be worse than Nvidia for sure, but so far the RT seems to be way to costly for me to consider it in games. As for DLSS, we can assume that AMD will have something like that down the line.
 
BAW

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I am extremely happy with the competitiveness AMD showed here, competition is good for us consumers

BUT

In the 6800XT vs 3080 showdown, which is key for us enthusiasts, the 3080 is the better choice obviously.
 
Linus815

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K.Jack said:
All of the benches being shown with Smart Access enabled puts asterisks on everything. We'll have to wait for professional reviews with Intel based systems.

I hate to be that guy but it is what it is.


The "AMD optimizations from consoles" bit was proven to fall flat with this past generation, no? I don't recall any hand me downs translating to PC.
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6800xt had no caveats
6800 had smart access
6900xt had smart access AND rage mode

but yes, people get hyped seeing manufacturers charts immediately ,i dont understand why, the Ampere charts were misleading as fuck too and that was only like 2 months ago lol
 
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