I think we'll see them backpedal over the weekend. There seems to be a lot of anger by green/fdp and even some SPD backbenchers for the goverment not doing enough
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edit: Okay, sure. Maybe explain why. Not everyong is native english.
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Ukraine is under attack in part because your political class perused a decades-long, naive policy towards Russia, thereby enriching their mafia state despite all indicators pointing to it as being an adversary.Germany gave ukraine up to 1.8 billion over the last years. I know some people are unhappy with Germany right now and I want them to do more as well. Having said that trying to paint a narrative of Germany just doing nothing, when that's not the case is weird.
Germany’s wide-ranging and long-term commitment to Ukraine
Germany is very keen to see a stable, democratic and economically flourishing Ukraine, which is why the German Government has provided the country with such a high level of support.www.auswaertiges-amt.de
The fact that NS2 got built despite what is happening in since Ukraine 2014 makes your country even more complicit.
Why do you think the attack happened when it got finished? Because Putin was (and probably still is) convinced that the gas will flow no matter what happens in Ukraine.
Have those 5000 helmets been shipped yet?
The Western nations talked before that gas would be provided for Europe from elsewhere if Russia went this far and big choices had to made but there hasn't been a peep since so I dunno.
Also, there are enormous new gas fields in the North Sea that are still being planned. It's partly why the UK has been more bullish than EU nations - but it could supply a large need in the bloc until renewables crank up more and other sources are found.
It also explains why the UK government has been so determined to push through with shale gas and north sea expansion despite enormous opposition domestically.
To be fair "the Ukraine" is a favourite phrase of Putin and his cronies, so it is a bit of a sore spot.
Why you should call the country "Ukraine" and not "The Ukraine"
It's nothing to do with English - calling the country of Ukraine "the Ukraine" is the way it was referred to by the Soviet Union and how Russia refers to it. It's a quite important distinction.
How do you install a puppet government in a country that for the most part does not like you very much, even less now that you've blown up their cities and killed their people.
There are like a million ways this will backfire on Russia. Guerilla warfare for one.
Get off your high horse. You're in a thread about Russia invading Ukraine and oppressing it's people, using terminology from an era when it was under Soviet control. It's insulting.
Plan seems to be with executions and a liberal amount of wishful thinking.
"the Ukraine" is how Russia refers to Ukraine to delegitimize it as a sovereign nation, the distinction matters.
Constant crimes against humanity to shatter their will to resist.
Russia is already sending in death squads and cluster munitions. Wouldn't be surprised if chemical weapons follow.
Using "the" confers on it a status as an area of land, like "the steppes" or "the urals". It removes the country.
Let's face it, europe is with Putin, with the exception of eastern europe and some countries surrounding it.
No one wants to face the economical backslash with real sanction + most countries already deals with lots of "internal" problems too
No one wants to face the economical backslash with real sanction + most countries already deals with lots of "internal" problems too
The threat of Russia's nukes are heavily over-stated. Russia would have to be truly desparate to use them as it would mean their mutual destruction; they'd likely only use them if Russia were being directly invaded by NATO.
The real reason no one was stepping in is because world leaders believed there was no appetite in their home countries to send troops to Ukraine and potentially end up in a shooting war. Basically, they thought directly protecting Ukraine was bad for winning elections.
The attack happened, because Putin wants the Russian empire back. If we won't buy gas he still would've attacked ukraine.
Btw I already said I won't forgive germany for being so dependent on Russia. But that doesn't excuse you lying about Germany doing nothing and now (if I understood you right) implying Germany could've stopped the attack when not buying gas.
more or less.
also, remove the members who joined it since 1999.
Eh, if they want to waste loads of money in useless accessories, I don't really see a problem, specially when their assets should be already frozen.
Jesus fuck. Germany has been bad, but at least there is massive economic and social issues with the supply of gas to consider, so it's shit but at least fractionally understandable.
This though, this is just fucking pathetic.
Not replying to you directly, Potterson, but a general note on the comment you're replying to:
I keep seeing people being pedantic about this and it really is getting to me. Saying or writing "the Ukraine" may be grammatically incorrect, but there are no intrinsic negative connotations to it, as some people have suggested.
Anyone suggesting there are is just showing how ignorant they are about languages other than English and how the usage of articles before nouns is employed in other languages.
Seeing that this conflict is happening in Europe, you're going to see a lot of people chime in that do not speak English as their primary language. Can we please try to keep that in mind?
Like I legitimately did not know about that Kiev and Kjiv spelling issue - as in German it's always Kiew.
So thinking about Erogan, his Russian anti-air S400 purchases just went completely to shit, didn't it?
With new sanctions he won't be able to buy missiles, parts, and so on. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
It's about letting Russia get away with loads of shit because of said gas that got us to this point. Sure, it may have happened regardless but kids gloves were in play because of gas and sure nukes so who knows. It did leave Europe with one hand tied behind their back.
Problem with that is that you'd have thought the Russians more than anyone would know that that does not work. Short of just killing everyone.
If Europe isn't going to help because countries want to carry on selling and buying shit to and from Russia, the Ukrainians should take things into their own hands and blow up those gas pipes running through their country.
Might be painful for citizens of the eu and uk but at the end of the day, our leaders our failing Ukraine (and us) right now.
Might be painful for citizens of the eu and uk but at the end of the day, our leaders our failing Ukraine (and us) right now.
I mean the problem is we haven't even come close to freezing all of the oligarchs or their families. So Italy is being pretty pathetic
Well maybe they hope for a french revolution style anger from the population, like rich people can still access their luxury goods, but we have to suffer. Like "why don't they eat cakes".
Still in the big scale of things, this is rather minor, if not disappointing. People should not be surprised though, we still living under Capitalism unfortunately.
Ukrainians dying in indiscriminate bombings and EU states be like "Yeah, but our economy. We can't live without trade to a fascist regime!"
We learnt nothing from WWII.
We learnt nothing from WWII.
I mean... It's clear no one will do anything if he decided to kill every Ukrainian man woman and child.
What's a little genocide to get in the way of profits?
kinda suprised they havent done that yet. asset dinial is part of war, and the EU cant complain lol.
You really can't.You could argue that Ukraine was basically swindled by the US / UK and betrayed by Russia:
Why Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons — and what that means in an invasion by Russia
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world. A lot has changed since then.www.npr.org
That's not how security guarantees or mutual defense pacts are written. They are not implied, they are explicit. The US and the UK never committed to using military force in defense of Ukraine. I wish they had, but they did not.
It is the unity.
Sacrificing unity to peddle luxury cars and clothing.
Do you see how putting your own economic interest over peace or genocide means that suddently, every EU country can go karen and demand their preferred sector to be excluded from sanctions?
These sanctions always meant jack-shit, watered down bullshit for overpaid politicians to clap in the assembly hall pretending they do anything productive. The day of invasion should have been the day where all trade and services between EU and Russia stops.
Germany should never-ever have control of EU exective position again, they compromise both climate and peace for their wealth.
Not even WWII, we still are in the middle of a deadly pandemic, and while people were dying by huge numbers it still was "but the economy". Capitalists will always value money over lives.