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Rumored specs for NVIDIA's upcoming "Ampere" RTX 3000 series graphics cards (RTX 3060, RTX 3070, RTX 3080 and RTX 3090)
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Yes it is coming this year, although I would not be surprised if it was very late in the year with not the greatest availability.
Yep, AMD denied the rumors. It'll still be a 2020 release. Just in time to know how the consoles fare vs PC hardware.
I'm very happy with my 3950X chip, so I don't know how they can improve upon it's design.
Well good, hope it comes out around the same time as the TI/3090/whatever-the-fuck-theyre-gonna-call-it
I decided not to bother with upgrades now since none of them will transfer over - I'll just have to wait until the end of the year. It sucks, but I'm even holding off on playing some games like DOOM Eternal and Control. I want to see those for their first time in their full glory (and in 120fps in DOOM's case, I've never had a display over 60Hz and will be getting an LG CX).
There was one site that claimed that. From what I recall, there was no evidence, no one else has backed up their claim, at least one other site actively disagreed, and Zen3 is still officially set for this year as of a few weeks ago.
Doom at 144Hz is godly.
If you're planning to buy a Nvidia GPU (you're on this thread, so most likely lol), get either a G-Sync one or a G-sync compatible (select freesync ones) and you will get no tearing.
Oh, marvellous.
I'm guessing it'll be a simple case of higher IPC and higher clockspeeds. Hopefully it'll match the 10900K's single-core performance while improving multi-core performance even further. That sounds like overkill now, but it won't seem like it once next-gen games built to run at 30fps on a 16-thread 3.5GHz Zen2 appear and you want to run them at 120fps or more.
Way ahead of you. LG's CX (and B9, C9 and BX) OLED TVs are G-Sync Compatible. They also have Freesync and HDMI-VRR - a great all-in-one display.
If I remember I will tell you after I've actually built the setup :)
I usually buy an entire new PC, but this time I'm keeping my old case and some other stuff like SSD and PSU, so I'll have to have some time to build it, since during the process I will dismantle the old components and will therefore not be able to use the desktop PC.
I'm expecting huge boosts in CPU heavy games like X4, which I had to stop playing due to my PC lagging too much during late game big battles. But for most games I should not see a huge difference, since what I usually play mostly runs very fine on my 1080p display.
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55". My current display is 55" and I'd rather not go smaller.
I'm also not sure if the 48" is even coming out in Australia.
Yeah, I this is about what I expected. I think I made the right decision waiting. Thanks.
Now let's just hope Zen3 is good.
Zen4 have a chance of launching at the end of 2021.
Intel's 1700 socket should support PCIe5 as well and launch in 2021 with Alder Lake but we'll have to wait till 2022 and Meteor Lake to get CPUs with said support into this socket (similar to how it is with PCIe4 in socket 1200 and CML->RKL transition).
The major change we know about Zen 3 is that CPUs up to 8-cores will be a single monolithic die with a unified L3 cache which should help significantly with reducing latency. Clock speeds should increase too, hopefully infinity fabric speed will have as well for the CPUs over 8C.
I wish there were more AM4 ITX mobos that were a good deal, instead of pricey oldey boards. I really want to go ITX, but can't wait
Not trying to one up (one down?) you, but I'm coming from 4590 and a 280X going for a Ryzen 4XXX and 3070 this year. Super excited as well!
Ahhh, I see. So the 16-core would probably be a pair of the 8-core CCXs, and the 12-core would be what - 2 6-core CCXs? And maybe the lower chip will be one of them?
The other way around generally works better. With a 970 you are mainly GPU limited so having a higher end CPU will most likely do nothing more than maybe stabilize framerates a bit.
It will help with latency uniformity but a bigger cache usually means higher latency. The fact that the cache itself will likely stay the same size, just as a one chunk now instead of two (one per CCX) means that it's hard to say if there will be as high gains as there were with Zen2. I'm expecting lower average gains but better handling of edge cases - like those Far Cry games which still have a huge lead on Intel CPUs.
Perhaps, but I'm quite content with the 3950X, and I feel it's going to be a bit before games take advantage of what we have on the market. I could be very wrong on this assumption, but oh well. I'm the sort who's still content with 1080p/240Hz for my gaming monitors.
You know what I mean, smart arse.
Should we make a club or something ? X'D
Going from 4790K with 970 to a 10700 with a 3xxx GPU (will wait on prices and versions before I decide what I get).
Same here, I'm going to order the parts for my new PC in the next few weeks, but I'll be using my 970 in the new PC until the 3000 cards are out.
The new CPU, SSD's (I still use spinning drives!), and RAM will greatly benefit my video editing for my Youtube channel while I wait for Nvidia to release the new cards!
You might be right, but I do think the underpowered Jaguar chips in the PS4 and X1 have resulted in a generation where CPUs have a very easy time pushing framerates like 144-240fps. The CPU jump in the new consoles is going to be really phenomenal - but yes, I agree that it'll be a while before we see third party games really taking advantage of them. Even then, the 3950X should do well - I'm just concerned that even it won't be able to manage 240fps in a lot of later games, even if you use a 3080 and run at 1080p.
Did someone say the specs of the PC showing recent Cyberpunk gameplay were revealed? Can't find it.
I'll keep my 2600k another couple of years but I'll definitely replace my 280x
Yeah but I'm ok I think It can handle between 30/60fps. Thanks to Gsync.
It will struggle to get more than that but I don't need more than 60fps on AAA solo games.
The only concrete hardware that I keep hearing is a 2080ti.
It had a 2080ti.
With RTX on, the bottleneck is 100% going to be the GPU, so as long as you have a decentish CPU/RAM they should be fine.
My upgrade path was the other way. Basically started with:
3570k + 8GB + 780: Worked really well for 1080p at 2013 until I started running into games I could no longer max out. It was either games demanding heavy CPU utilization (results in low minimum framerates, microstuttering), more ram (stuttering) or a better GPU (lower overall framerates. Limited 3GB vram also affected some games like Gears from loading textures properly)
Gaming laptop with similar GPU performance but a better CPU (6700HQ + 16GB + 970m): Probably closer to your question. Games ran fairly similar but with slightly lower max, avg framerates (the 970m was just slightly below my 780). The better CPU and RAM did help a lot with stuttering and gave me a much more stable experience with newer games. I ran into a multitude of unfortunate issues though with the laptop and decided to sell it after a year and just get a new GPU instead.
3570k + 8GB + 1080 Ti: Improved max and average framerates a lot and could again max out games even at higher resolutions. This didn't help at all though with minimum framerates and stuttering. Games like Final Fantasy 15 were still a mess. The laptop gave a much more stable gaming experience despite the significantly weaker GPU.
3570k + 16GB + 1080 Ti: Didn't exactly help as much as I was hoping, though I was only really comparing with Final Fantasy 15 since that is what I was playing at the time that was extremely demanding.
3700x + 32GB + 1080 Ti: Demolished any game I threw at it.
Gsync barely helped when I was running into games that needed faster CPUs.
Wasn't it streamed through GeforceNOW servers, or was there another demo tested on local hardware?
Would be nice to have 2080 Ti-tier hardware with GeforceNOW (or 3000 series). I just know that the fastest configuration can still run into framerate issues with games like Metro Exodus at the highest RTX settings @ 1080p.
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See I'm still on a 4670k with 8GB of RAM, with a 1070. Every once in a while I think about getting another 8GB but at this point I don't know if it's worth it if I might rebuild this year. My motherboard isn't compatible with DDR4 so I don't know if it's worth it to grab another 8GB of DDR3 and only use it for a few months.
I have this hooked up to a 1080p TV, so my ceiling is 1080p60fps, and I don't think I'll be moving up to 4K this year. I downscale when I can get away with it. There are already a few games like Modern Warfare, Kingdom Come, and AC Origins where I'm pretty badly CPU limited. I actually don't know if it's the CPU or RAM with Modern Warfare, I just know the game will repeatedly lock up for a few seconds. I heard Red Dead II had similar problems with older i5s. Other AAA games like Resident Evil 3 and Doom Eternal run just fine, but I'm scared of having to run Cyberpunk on this.
Depending on when the 3070 comes around I may even first rebuild but keep the 1070 for a little bit. The game I play most is actually Arma, and even though I've accepted it will always run like shit to some extent, I've heard it really benefits from faster RAM and CPU clock speeds. I just want RTX, DLSS, and integer scaling as soon as I can get it at a reasonable price. I haven't started looking up CPUs yet but I am considering going AMD for the first time.
Advice?
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A 3070 won't make much sense tbh. It will be massivly bottlenecked by the CPU and the slow DDR3 Ram.
Yeah I wasn't thinking about putting a 3070 onto my current rig. I would definitely rebuild everything else first, but it's a matter of whether I actually rebuild everything else sooner and just wait a while before I get any new GPU. And I'm wondering if it's worth it for me to buy more DDR3 RAM between now and when I decide to start the rebuild.
So, I suppose my dilemma is that there is a new PC platform on the horizon but that won't get around until after Cyberpunk 2077. On the other hand, I've had the same CPU and RAM since 2011 and it seems like these upcoming 4000s and 3000s would be the right time to upgrade right before (hopefully) 2077. Though, I suppose that will also depend on how expensive (or performance-worthy) those future Ryzens and RTXs will be.
I also read up about the early pitfalls of new architectures so maybe it would be better to invest in the very best this current generation of technology has to offer.
I also read up about the early pitfalls of new architectures so maybe it would be better to invest in the very best this current generation of technology has to offer.
Not too familiar with Intel architecture now, but current Ryzen CPUs are more than capable of what's coming down the pipe. I have a 3700X and in Control, Gears 5, Forza H, DMC5 etc I have not seen the CPU taxed beyond 10%, and usually at 3%. The GPUs are the main bottlenecks if you are using a Ryzen and DDR4 ram (even Ram amount/size is not THAT important).
Damn, Sandy Bridge is easily among the legendary tier of Intel CPUs.
Probaably not if you want 60FPS.
Apparently the main demo that streamers played was running at 1080P using DLSS from 720P. It had everything turned on except RT reflections. Though reports were that it was running in excess of 60FPS. And it's possible it was lower resolution to make streaming easier.
My guess is 3080Ti/3090 will be able to do 1440P with DLSS everything on and hit 60. Without RT it should be able to hit native 4K like the B roll footage that Digitalfoundry used in their analysis. But I'm purely speculating at this point.
I don't regret buying the 2500k, it nearly lasted through an entire generation of targeted console games, if not for later VR titles maxing it out. I don't expect the Zen 3 series to last as long and anticipate an upgrade in 6 years, though I hope to push 8 for a build after PS6/XBSX2
Yeah I guess we'll see when we actually get the hard specs and benchmarks, but that seems like the reasonable assumption. I'm sure it'll look glorious though in either permutation with RT, man that lighting is clean. But I think I want that 60fps.
Usually new hardware is never quite good enough to play the most demanding and newest games completely maxed out on higher resolutions (especially 4K) at a playable (might come down to each individual taste what qualifies as playable) framerate.
A friend of mine bought an RTX 2080 Ti Lightning Z and overclocked it to 2100MHZ and it still wasn't quite good enough for Control and Metro Exodus completely maxed out (with RT on) at 1440p.
And if I am not mistaken is RayTracing rendered/calculated per pixel and higher resolutions are extremely demanding.
Completely speculating here, but I would guess to play Cyberpunk 2077 in 4K with RTX and all other settings to the max and 60+ fps then you need 3-4x the performance of the 2080 Ti.
Which does sound mighty unreasonably with me saying it like that, but only a very small part of the actual RTX 20 die is actually dedicated to RayTracing compared to the rest. So we can hope that RayTracing performance gets a gigantic boost with the newer generations that are yet to come.
(As an owner of an RTX 2080 and 1440p monitor I am pretty disappointed in how current RTX games run on that hardware)
A friend of mine bought an RTX 2080 Ti Lightning Z and overclocked it to 2100MHZ and it still wasn't quite good enough for Control and Metro Exodus completely maxed out (with RT on) at 1440p.
And if I am not mistaken is RayTracing rendered/calculated per pixel and higher resolutions are extremely demanding.
Completely speculating here, but I would guess to play Cyberpunk 2077 in 4K with RTX and all other settings to the max and 60+ fps then you need 3-4x the performance of the 2080 Ti.
Which does sound mighty unreasonably with me saying it like that, but only a very small part of the actual RTX 20 die is actually dedicated to RayTracing compared to the rest. So we can hope that RayTracing performance gets a gigantic boost with the newer generations that are yet to come.
(As an owner of an RTX 2080 and 1440p monitor I am pretty disappointed in how current RTX games run on that hardware)
From what I understand, both RT and 4K are things that are still so expensive that basically no hardware can max them out for modern games yet. We're still probably gonna be relying on stuff like DLSS, VRS, and other forms of upscaling for a while.
Yep, and current RT is just a hybrid solution. And then you get into questions of what counts as "maxing out" - 60fps? 120? 144? Whatever the case, native 4K with ray-tracing is brutal on any rig. Like, a 2080Ti can probably do it with Metro Exodus if you're ok with 30fps or medium settings since it apparently uses a rather light implementation, but for games with multiple RT effects it's just out of the question.
Thankfully, the DLSS 2.0 Quality Mode seems to effectively give you different-but-equal image quality plus a 60-70% performance boost, and the Performance Mode doesn't look much worse and ups that to 130-140%. I don't think you'd ever really want to stop using DLSS - if you can hit native 4K, then you could do 8K DLSS Performance Mode and downsample instead.
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