I don't know why people talk about sprint in a vacuum as if it's the only contributing factor to Halo 5 feeling like a faster paced game than its predecessors. Lots of different things contribute to game feel.
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Rumored HALO INFINITE leaked image & info (Grapple Hook, Semi-Open World, Etc)
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Also, you know, don't have that shit in cinematics. Halo 5's intro cutscene was awful, because it shows your Spartans doing shit they'll never be able to do in-game, especially on higher difficulties.
Haha, yeah people love to look back at Halo 3 but seem to forget how inconsistent that thing was, especially depending on netcode.
Part of me just wonders if deep-down, people just want Halo to be the Zeitgeist it was with the original trilogy. I feel like people just want Halo to be the game they can go back to playing with their group of friends every night like they did before.
I may be wrong, but for those who prefer Bungie's games/no sprint, if Halo Infinite became a huge phenomenon but still had sprint, would you be happy or leave Halo behind? Genuine question.
Halo 3 MLG settings is the best version of any Halo.
Honestly, all I ask for Infinite is for them to remove sprint permanently, remove armour abilities/spartan abilities from RANKED playlists (can keep that trash in social if you want), and for them to remove power weapon spawn messages in ranked. If they just give me this I'll play Infinite for the next 5 years straight just as I did with Halo 3.
Oh and finally give us some good maps on par with The Pit and Guardian for example.
Honestly, all I ask for Infinite is for them to remove sprint permanently, remove armour abilities/spartan abilities from RANKED playlists (can keep that trash in social if you want), and for them to remove power weapon spawn messages in ranked. If they just give me this I'll play Infinite for the next 5 years straight just as I did with Halo 3.
Oh and finally give us some good maps on par with The Pit and Guardian for example.
You'd vastly limit the amount of things that can be done in cinematics if everything has to translate to gameplay.
tactics and positioning heavy isn't mutually exclusive with fast paced. Weapon switching and strafing is so fast in Halo 2, not to mention BXR stuff, and Halo 1 has like the fastest kill times in any Halo.
So basically just give you Halo 3 again
yeah ya'll gon be disappointed as fuck in Infinite lmao
If something was detrimental to your favorite series you'd wine too.
I still think btb and campaign should have sprint but the main arena modes should permanently lockit out
I'm not saying that. Some things are fine being cutscenes. I enjoyed the walk and talk segments in H5, but they easily could've been cutscenes. I'm saying if you have a cutscene including your Spartan team killing dudes, let us do the actual killing.
That opening battle was useless and ludicrous and could easily have been playable. The ending cutscene of that level also somewhat falls into the same pit. You don't fight M'dama, you get to see Locke fighting him instead. At least there they showed the Spartans doing actual Spartan stuff, rather than them somehow being Avengers.
I'd be happy with social having sprint, ranked not having it
If adding shit like sprint and spartan abilities is the only thing 343 can think of in order to make Halo feel new and not repetitive like CoD, then maybe they should give the game to someone else since they're obviously incapable of doing it themselves.
t - someone who probably barely played Halo.
Sprint should be scrapped for higher base movement. I shouldn't be able to run away and I shouldn't have my weapon unusable anytime apart from reloading, fragging or using melee.
Exactly. It's not like the anti sprint brigade is a group of five people yelling at clouds. Lately I am viewing the Sprint debate through the lens of impeachment. One side makes its argument with facts and evidence. The other side looks at said evidence, smirks, nods and then goes "But muh speed".
I've played plenty of Halo, sprint was fine in H5.
Yeah i think they can't just remove it
I loved halo 5 but it was a game that came out unfinished - been playing a lot of mcc and also some halo 5 with classic settings (no sprint) and I am ready for the main arena mode to go back to this design
On the other hand i want btb to be bigger and more insane - they can push the envelope there in terms of abilities
Except it's my lore lol. I'm a lore guy, I'm staring at like 25 books or so. The games do not have to mimic what spartans are in lore. It doesn't make sense to me.
Nobody has argued that sprint doesn't work in Halo 5. The argument is that the introduction of sprint as a whole has had a negative impact on many aspects of map design, balance and combat.
Sprint is fine in Single player and the lore. I personally do not think it works from a multiplayer gameplay design perspective. To the point that I cut Halo off five years ago. I quit Reach after two weeks and H4 after one.
Sprint was the best version of itself in Halo 5. I don't think it ruined the game or anything.
True, I guess I feel that the overall pace of the battles isn't much difference between them, even though TTK, switching and strafing may have slowed down across the series.
Like, the rhythm of each battle has remained the same and is still glacial compared to something like CoD.
Sounds like a fun idea that adds another sandbox element for strategy, especially for objective and larger game modes.
it'd be a good element of change that doesn't pertain to changing the core of Halo.
a smoke grenade sounds good. Like the flare from Halo 3, but not completely garbage and unpleasant to use this time
Just imagine a smoked out hill, then a warthog just flies through splattering your teammates. FALL BACK!!
Especially not in MP, which is why I still think that Halo 4's attempt to bring lore into MP was unneccessary.
Halo lost its relevance to COD simultaneously with adding sprint though... 🤔
I feel like if it's a grenade type, it should have a damage property.
Maybe a gas/toxic grenade? Thick green cloud that obscures vision like a smoke grenade, but can still deal damage and kill.
Halo can easily have cool grenade types than just the standard frag and sticky, but they always change the extra grenades every game.
Did you play Mythic Arena when it was featured im Halo 5? It kept thrust send ditched sprint. It was glorious.
Oh, c'mon. Sprint won't go away anymore anywhere, it's 2020 and it's OK.
H5 Multi formula was also ok, I would just wish it to be a bit more streamlined and simplified + applied to much more interactive, open and destructible (NOT-FORGE) environments.
For Campaign a semi-open world level design similar to Crysis 1 would be incredible for a game and pace like Halo.
H5 Multi formula was also ok, I would just wish it to be a bit more streamlined and simplified + applied to much more interactive, open and destructible (NOT-FORGE) environments.
For Campaign a semi-open world level design similar to Crysis 1 would be incredible for a game and pace like Halo.
Because they arent QoL features of they remove elements of the game that people prefer.
Like being able to grab onto a ledge and climb up isn't bad in a vacuum. But if maps are designed such that you HAVE to stop shooting, face the wall, and get trapped in an animation in order to reach higher places, then the QoL hasnt improved for players who value being able to ascend the to higher places whilst simultaneously being able to look freely and engage the enemy.
The theory of clamber is a QoL improvement. But the way it's been executed in Halo makes it, like sprint, more restrictive than the alternative.
The sad part about clamber is that if jumps were designed around crouch-jump height instead of base jump height + clamber, it would actually be a QoL improvement.
You're missing what people's actual objections are. Being ABLE to clamber isnt as objectionable as REQUIRED to clamber in order to navigate effectively. Likewise, being ABLE to run isn't as objectionable as being REQUIRED to put the gun down and lock into single direction in order to move quickly.
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Mythic is just a secondary playlist as SWAT and others. It's cool to have it, but that's it...
Remember when Halo's innovation and ability to compete with other games was less from changing up the formula of the base game and more of adding features that were rare, especially for a console game at the time? Forge, Theater, in-game friends lists, matchmaking, new modes and gametypes, etc.
Played way better than base 5, and I LIKED base 5.
Mythic just showed I didn't need any of that extra stuff and especially not Sprint. Thrust is okay since it really doesn't break flow as bad as Sprint did
Seems prototype stuff as something like this:
But unlike the promethean knight above, there's nothing to see here...
Oh, i remember this.
Bungie almost totally overlooked the competition when developing the Halo saga, and they mostly went straight with their own path.
This allowed Halo to be so unique and innovative in many areas (with the features you listed), but this made it also lag behind competition on other aspects (bland in-game storytelling and emotional characterization, a less mature and realistic tone and style, outdated sound effects, an overly iterated game engine, much less movement freedom and fluidity).
Those aspects were rightfully addressed by 343 with H4 Campaign and H5 Multiplayer.
The only thing 343i did wrong was too much mimic CoD MP formula hoping to cater a big chunk of the CoD fanbase to Halo, but this just resulted in loosing a lot of core Halo fan in the meantime...
Plus they really went too far hoping to smoothly pass the Master Chief main character torch to a new un-flashed guy like Locke and his uninteresting Co-Op friendz (except Buck).
Both things already addressed with Infinite :)
Now they really are on the right track for a truly next-gen Halo, especially considering the bold decision to step back to a more classic visual and audio design, while keeping most art style advances achieved with 4/5.
To make the Halo Combat...Evolved again, what it's missing and it would be amazing are exactly those most open area to explore and to fight in, more rich with life and details and beauty to just look at, alterned by a much bigger all-out war between different factions, and a much more big battlefield scope.
Mythic shits all over Vanilla arena. It shoulda been the default.
i'm all for it - because i'd imagine theyd have to eliminate the radar to implement it :P
Works in gears of war. You gotta use other tools like enemy foot steps, tac com, right click to Mark enemies, and good Ol situational awareness.