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[RUMOR] Sony to acquire Bluepoint Games very soon
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lmao
The hypocrisy on this forum about acquisitions and exclusives is so transparent and pathetic that I don't know how any of y'all have the gall to be indignant about it, ever.
Earlier in the year when Sony was going on that timed exclusivity roll, Xbox fanboys were crying bloody murder while PS fanboys were laughing and saying deal with it. Then the Bethesda acquisition happened and everyone just 180'd their positions. And since it's just so ridiculously transparent, some people on both sides came up with all these weird ass rules and justifications about how one thing is A-OK while the other is VERY BAD: Company's struggling (even when there's no evidence), old working relationship, oh it's coming on PC day and date so consolidation is fine, etc etc...
It's all bullshit teams sport mentality and everyone knows it, so let's just stop and grow up already.
Does it suck having to buy a system other than your main preference so you don't miss out? Sure. But that's the point. They want you on their shit.
Consolidation in the industry is pretty harmful for it, but what the hell are you gonna do about it? These companies are scared about Silicon Valley coming in and scooping up all the good stuff, and it's not like governments will regulate any of this.
It's the way things are, the only real thing is how much redundancy these big mergers cause and the staggering number of people that will lose their jobs. But it's not like many are concerned about that at all here. They're more agitated about waiting 6 months or buying another plastic box.
I don't think there's much to wait and see about this. Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Bend, Naughty Dog and to an extent Media Molecule all followed the same path. Having a close relation with Sony and making exclusive games for them before being eventually acquired.
Makes sense, and the 'right' way to do things really - just a shame someone might gazump them!
I'm just surprised this didn't come sooner, SotC was a great example of what they can do - not sure DS does anything new other than have a bigger fan base? Either way a great move by Sony and hope it goes through.
All these companies simply look at purchases as the acquisition of talent and/or IP. The only people that make some distinguishing factors are people on this forum.
Yeah, I don't get it either. By all means clear it with mods whether it's okay to post, but if this doesn't pan out or the announcement is delayed by a few months, or something else happens then there's no need to eat a ban.
Does this mean the people who spread the Silent Hill/Japan Studio should get banned as well?
MarsipanRumpan I hope you don't get a ban pal as that would be a shame. If you go I will try to carry on some of the PS All-Stars 2 hype for you!
Well, if I recall correctly, those were actually checked upon and sanctioned by the mod team, they proved that what they were saying was true.
I have no other comment other than .... remember when ya'll rode the pole of RaD so damn hard?
I remember.
I remember.
The Legend of Dragoon is the best game to get the remake treatement by Bluepoint Games because it's the opportunity for them to dabble in remake territory ala Final Fantasy VII Remake. The game is too outdated to do a 1:1 remake so it's the perfect stepping stone for them before they get themselves involved in an original game.
I think a large multi-platform publisher is a much different situation to a small independent studio which specialises in one particular thing and probably needs considerable publisher support in order to grow and branch out into making other types of games.
Bluepoint have made exactly two games that were not for Sony since their inception: MGS Collection in 2011 and a downport of Titanfall to the Xbox 360 in 2014. Of the 11 games they have released 9 have been for Sony. Their last 4 releases have been for Sony; 3 of them were pretty big deals (Uncharted Collection, Shadow of the Colossus and now Demon's Souls). Regardless whether an acquisition takes place they are for all intents and purposes almost a first party developer at this point anyway so I don't really know why you think there's some double-standards going on.
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Tembo the Badass Elephant and GIGA WRECKER are Game Freak developed games but nobody would be crying consolidation if Nintendo acquired them because they're the Pokemon developers.
Mergers and acquisitions are a case-by-case basis.
There is a massive difference between one company securing a timed exclusive that will come to other platforms in 6/12 months and another company purchasing an entire publisher with multiple development studios with dozens of cross platform IPs that will most likely now become console exclusive and prevent an entire console audience from ever playing those games again unless they purchase another console/device.
To even try and compare them or say they are the same thing is ridiculous.
I never said there wasn't a difference, that's not even the point. The point is the response to all deals and acquisitions and the hypocrisy on display.
But by you saying there is hypocrisy in the reaction to those situations, you are making that comparison.
If you had given 2 situations that were comparable but got different responses would be fair enough, but the situation with Sony potentially buying bluepoint and Microsoft buying Bethesda rightfully deserve different reactions.
How exactly did Sony affect what the people at RAD or QD wanted to do? RAD chose to sell for Facebook/Oculus and QD remains independent while receiving investment from Tencent and starting a publishing venture.
Sony acquiring Nihon Falcom would be an absolute power play. That being said, that's the sort of acquisition that's more eqivalent to Microsoft acquiring ZeniMax Media.
Like I said in one of the PlayStation threads when acquisition talk was all the rage, just because we, the consumer, may be hearing rumblings of an acquisition, doesn't mean that acquisition talks just began. A lot of the time, these deals were in the works for months, and as things started to become more locked down, more people began to be pulled into the loop, and information can start to leak.
Bluepoint is practically a no-brainer for a potential acquisition by Sony. They've literally been working on Remasters/Remakes of Sony IPs for over a decade now:
God of War Collection (2009)
Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection (2011)
PlayStation All Stars (Vita 2012)
Flower (2013)
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection (2015)
Gravity Rush: Remastered (2015)
Shadow of the Colossus (2018)
Demon's Souls (2020)
Out of the 11 games they've developed, only 3 have been non-Sony owned IP. They clearly have a really positive working relationship with Sony, and they are immensely talented, and not a gigantic studio (90 people worked on Demon's Souls last I heard). Leveraging such a strong relationship, and officially integrating them into Worldwide Studios would just be good business.
I wouldn't be surprised if the courting process didn't start back when Shadow of the Colossus released, and Sony saw the potential in the Bluepoint engine, and the studio itself, and then the game was also critically and commercially well received.
I can easily see the longterm goal for Bluepoint within Sony being to have them continue to make high quality remakes of some of their legacy IPs, and then, much like what we saw with Insomniac, and Sucker Punch, put them in a position to become top class studios known for producing quality work, which, to be honest, Bluepoint already has that pedigree (at least in my book). I do think the incredible work they did on Demon's Souls is the tipping point. The game is fantastic. It looks fantastic, and plays fantastic, and is a beloved IP. I feel like, because it's the marquee exclusive on PS5 (I'd say Miles Morales would be the big one, but it also released on PS4, whereas I feel DS being truly PS5 exclusive will get more eyes on it from those buying the PS5; even those that may not be big into the Soulslike genre, simply because of how much of a visual showpiece it is for the console; i know one of my best friends is considering picking it up, and he doesn't like Souls games at all because he hates how hard they are, but he's blown away by how amazing DS looks, and is tempted).
One more stellar Remake like SotC and Demon's Souls, coupled with them now being a part of the same worldwide studios as Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Insomniac, and Bend, is enough to boost any studio's profile.
I already stated why it's vastly different.
One restricts a game to one console for 6/12 months before coming to other consoles, the other makes multiple developers games permanently console exclusive.
Sony has bought a publisher.
Microsoft has an agreement to buy a publisher.
Sony has mastered the art of timed exclusives.
Microsoft was really egregious in their pursuit of timed exclusives, more so in the 360 era.
Both Microsoft and Sony have built their first party outfits by acquisition.
Where is the difference?
Bluepoint should remake inFAMOUS 1 and 2. That is all.
I'd love to see Empire City and New Marais realized in their incredible engine. Considering how well received the first 2 inFAMOUS games were on the PS3, I find it curious that it never got the HD Remaster treatment, and was instead released on PS Now.
I'd love to see Empire City and New Marais realized in their incredible engine. Considering how well received the first 2 inFAMOUS games were on the PS3, I find it curious that it never got the HD Remaster treatment, and was instead released on PS Now.
I never said either company hasn't done all the types of deals being discussed.
The point was that the example previously given was comparing two different things and judging the reactions as being hypocritical even though the outcomes of each example were different and as such deserved different responses.
Are you really being this obstinate?!
One removes a whole publisher's slate of future games from a rival console.
The other business pretty much continues as-is.
Difference is Bluepoint has already been working closely with Sony and Sony exclusive IPs; they're practically a first party studio while Bethesday is a 3rd party publisher.
It is.
Why on earth do people want Microsoft to compete on timed exclusives when we have been told that they deal with a higher asking price?
What makes people think that Xbox users love missing out on stuff? It is a means to direct narrative.
Sony has done this before. Where is the difference?
And this is coming from someone not against timed stuff or acquisition.
Because people are talking about the Bethesda vs. Bluepoint acquisitions and calling out other members for hypocrisy. We're not comparing the acquisition of Bethesda to that of Psygnosis 25 years ago.
It's obvious there's a vast ocean of difference between buying a mid-sized independent developer and a multi-platform publisher worth over $7 billion with half a dozen studios under its belt.
I honestly don't know what point you are trying to get at.
You seem to be conflating the business reality of the situation for Microsoft and Sony with what people have a problem with.
From a customer perspective it would be better of any exclusives are timed because it means they will eventually have access to them on their platform of choice.
From a business perspective, Microsoft are having a hard time compared to Sony in securing timed exclusives because they have weaker bargaining power because of the gulf in market share with Sony.
From the users perspective, the second point doesn't matter to them because they simply want access to the games.
As for your last point, who the hell has said Microsoft fans want to miss out?
Seriously, your entire argument seems nonsensical and driven by personal bias.
Eh okay. Until I see how their original games are I will get more excited. Their remakes/remasters are very well done but at the end of the day that's still someone else's game. Original games are the test for me.
This case it makes sense. It would be like Nintendo acquiring AlphaDream or Intelligent Systems. They already develop almost exclusively for Sony so it wouldn't make much of a difference. Not the same as them acquiring a Sega or a Capcom.
I hope you are proven right, OP! I don't want anyone getting banned for something that seems pretty obvious and likely.
Sometimes they make sense. If it's the natural extension of an existing partnership (i.e. Playground Games) or clearly a developer who is in financial need (i.e. InXile or Double Fine) then nobody reasonable has any qualms about it. But when you're talking about buying a big publisher which will likely deny a huge part of their audience access to their games because they won't appear on a rival console, then it becomes more problematic. The fact that some people are asking what's the difference between the Bethesda acquisition and a potential Bluepoint acquisition is a laughable bullshit strawman.
*claps* all of this! Please turn this up and say it LOUDER for the people in the back. The side swipe fanboyism pretending its anything but is so annoying.
Yup, completely agree. I feel a PS racer with Sony and third party reps that is similar to Racing Transformed would be a good game in general.
Can you list the BluePoint IPs other platforms will no longer have access to if Sony acquires BluePoint?
The difference is why you are seeing a difference, thats the point.
MS acquires a Dev ...... especially one that has been mostly tied to their platform, don't care.
MS acquires 3rd party publisher with a history of almost complete platform agnosticism and I care, would feel the same if Sony bought a 3rd party publisher.
Unfortunately someone started this and is publicly proclaiming to do more, all that can happen following those actions is reciprocation.
Era is against the acquisition of giant publishers and instantly locking a huge chunk of the industry (which was previously multiplat) onto a single platform.
A pub buying a single small studio that has only made exclusive games for them anyways really isn't a big deal. Stop trying to equate the two
what games are they keeping away from xbox players by being acquired? There is a difference. They aren't even close to being comparable to a giant publisher. But go ahead and overreact. Got em!
Believe it or not, nuance exists and the world does not exist in black and white. People can think one acquisition makes sense/isn't a big deal while criticizing other acquisitions, and that isn't hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy would be if someone said "man it would be awful if someone acquired Rockstar" but then started cheering when their secret pub of choice ended up acquiring Rockstar. Because that would be them talking out both sides of their mouth regard the exact same studio.
If someone endorses the Playground acquisition because it makes sense and has little impact on the multiplatform landscape, while simultaneously criticizing the Bethesda acquisition because it has a huge impact on the multiplatform landscape, that is not hypocrisy. That is just called critical thinking and not blindly praising or demonizing an action.
Should have snatched them up years ago. Everything they done has been top quality. Uncharted collection, gravity rush, SOTC, and Demon Souls all within 5 years. That's a hell of track record.
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