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TooBusyLookinGud

Graphics Engineer
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
7,951
California
I am confused as to why it would appealing to upgrade to the 3090 ti from the 3090. The difference will be so small. Probably within less than 5%.
It's not an upgrade, its for a 12900k build that I want for testing purposes. I use my current 3090 FE 10700k build for the same things; It just so happens that I can game on them too. There are other factors that play into this as well because I'm not in the business of throwing away money.
 

Akronis

Prophet of Regret - Lizard Daddy
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,451
Will see how much better it'll be versus 3090 FE and maybe try to get one.
 
Nov 2, 2017
2,275
I am confused as to why it would appealing to upgrade to the 3090 ti from the 3090. The difference will be so small. Probably within less than 5%.
It's free performance + you make money with the swap. It always makes sense to try and buy an FE card.

450w is nonsensical. They should have stuck this in the quadro line.
Can we go back to 150-250w gpus.
Please.
Those exist though. 3060 TI & 3070 are both below 250W.
 

impingu1984

Member
Oct 31, 2017
3,416
UK
If I can actually buy the fucking thing I may actually retire my 1080ti ..... What an incredible investment that GPU all those years ago
 

Stacey

Banned
Feb 8, 2020
4,610
1200w is overkill they said. Look who's laughing now. Muhahahaha.

One things for sure, those transient spikes are gonna be four figures, yikes.
 

Reinhard

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,601
I assume the 10 million variants of 3000 products is just so they can charge double or more of the launch prices of the 4000 series of cards and not make it feel so egregious since they keep raising the prices of the newer 3000 series cards. My prediction: 4070 at $899, 4080 at $1499, 4090 at $2999 with a 4080 Ti launching at a later date for $1999. And those will be pre-scalping prices thanks to Ethereum delaying proof of work switch over yet again.
 

Zomba13

#1 Waluigi Fan! Current Status: Crying
Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,931
Sadly, I'm sure the scalpers are probably more excited than anyone bout this.

Looks like I'll be sticking to my 2080ti for another year or more. And to think- when I bought the 2080ti the experts thought it was a bad purchase... Best decision I made that year

I'm in the same boat. I bought the 2080ti because my 780 got fried after my power supply went and I had AWFUL luck with a string of EVGA power supplies so I got a 1060 as a replacement a bit before the 20xx launched beause I couldn't justify the price of those and needed a graphics card. My plan WAS to get a 20xx as an upgrade form the 780 but then it popped so I went 1060 as a stop gap and the plan was to wait for a 30xx eventually.

Then I could afford shit and saved and upgraded my PC with a valve Index and a 2080ti and all nice stuff a good 6 or so months before the 30xx launched which was prime "wait for 30xx" time but turns out was good because I wouldn't have been able to get a 30xx at that time, and then scalpers and shortages would mean even 20xx shit skyrocketed.

I mean, I could have gotten luck with a 30xx series but doubtful and the 2080ti has been serving me well thus far (I'm still at 1080p so can even enjoy the RTX).

Maybe the 40xx stuff will launch and be affordable and widely available or if not, the 50xx provided we're still living in a society and not Mad Max.
 

arrado

Member
Jan 1, 2020
1,639
It is true that prices are higher than they should be, but it's a bit silly to complain about not being able to buy/afford a 3090 TI. You (the average consumer) are not supposed to but this anyway. This is super high-end, like the Ferrari among GPU's. Ofcourse you're paying a large premium for that.
 
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Havel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
490
EVGA will release 3090Ti with up to 1275W power usage potential.

www.guru3d.com

EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Kingpin Spotted with two 16-pin connectors for up to 1275 watts

Yep, Ti. The new SKU utilizes NVIDIA's largest chip from the GeForce "Ampere" graphics architecture, the GA102, and pairs it with even faster 21 Gbps GDDR6X memory; however, these change...
Ampere scales quite well with increased power consumption and, as ridiculous as this sounds, even an Asus Strix 3090 with a 500w power limit still feels like it's being bottlenecked by the wattage. It's kind of a mess of an architecture the more I think about it.

If the Lovelace rumors are true with the flagship 4090 (?) being a 450w-500w behemoth, then it honestly feels like the 3090 Ti is simply a way of grooming the masses into accepting ~500w GPUs before the 4000 series release in Autumn.
 
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Havel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
490
What....in your personal opinion....are the chances that the 4000 series actually launches this Autumn?
Paper launch is pretty high given past releases. There's been a 2 year gap between architectures for the past decade. Now whether or not you'll get your hands on one is obviously another story.
 

hussien-11

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,315
Jordan
If the Lovelace rumors are true with the flagship 4090 (?) being a 450w-500w behemoth, then it honestly feels like the 3090 Ti is simply a way of grooming the masses into accepting ~500w GPUs before the 4000 series release in Autumn.

450-500W is too much, even 370W is a bit too much in my opinion. I don't really like this direction, especially after years of Nvidia outclassing AMD in efficiency and how it was a big advantage for them. The tables have turned it seems...
I have doubts about the reliability of those cards as well, 3090 failures stories are not that old.

Same, I want a new gpu badly. I don't know if I should just wait for the 4000 series at this point, lol.

I doubt 4070/4080 are gonna cost 500/700$ like they did this time though.
 

Timu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,556
Yeah, I gave in and got 3080 Ti a few months back from Microcenter. Not a great price, but it is what it is I guess :(.
On the bright side at least you can get to a Microcenter, heck it's too far away from my location!

I doubt 4070/4080 are gonna cost 500/700$ like they did this time though.
I did read that Nvidia is increasing the MSRP for them. But I'm more for the 4060-4070 at best.
 

Cels

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,772
450-500W is too much, even 370W is a bit too much in my opinion. I don't really like this direction, especially after years of Nvidia outclassing AMD in efficiency and how it was a big advantage for them. The tables have turned it seems...
I have doubts about the reliability of those cards as well, 3090 failures stories are not that old.



I doubt 4070/4080 are gonna cost 500/700$ like they did this time though.

it's gonna be 600/800 plus isn't it
 

hussien-11

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,315
Jordan
I did read that Nvidia is increasing the MSRP for them. But I'm more for the 4060-4070 at best.

If release schedule is comparable to past generations, we will get the RTX 4060 in 2023, while high end models launch first this year.

A simple estimation based on CUDA cores that may not be exact... I think the RTX 4060 Ti card should be equal to the RTX 3080 in terms of performance, while the 4070 should be slightly faster, more similar to 3080 Ti/3090 (if the 4070 chip is ~ 50-60% percent of the flagship chip).

I don't know what to think of the RTX 4060 though, it seems like they don't give those a big jump like the others, RTX 3060 is 2060 Super with bigger VRAM.

I think, if you want something to keep for a long time, maybe waiting is a good idea, or getting RTX 3080 now if possible, but if you do upgrade often (every 2 or 3 years maybe) then the RTX 3070/3060 Ti both are great.

it's gonna be 600/800 plus isn't it

Its Turing all over again.
 

Timu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,556
If release schedule is comparable to past generations, we will get the RTX 4060 in 2023, while high end models launch first this year.

A simple estimation based on CUDA cores that may not be exact... I think the RTX 4060 Ti card should be equal to the RTX 3080 in terms of performance, while the 4070 should be slightly faster, more similar to 3080 Ti/3090 (if the 4070 chip is ~ 50-60% percent of the flagship chip).

I don't know what to think of the RTX 4060 though, it seems like they don't give those a big jump like the others, RTX 3060 is 2060 Super with bigger VRAM.

I think, if you want something to keep for a long time, maybe waiting is a good idea, or getting RTX 3080 now if possible, but if you do upgrade often (every 2 or 3 years maybe) then the RTX 3070/3060 Ti both are great.
If 4060 ends up around 3070 performance but cheaper then that would be fine, although after the 3060 anything could happen. Seems if the 4060 Ti does exist it should be around the 3080 as you said which would be an insane upgrade from my 1070(heck I already consider the 3060 Ti-3070 to be a massive upgrade from my 1070 even and was aiming for those cards earlier). I don't have plans to ever get a 3080 so the 60-70 cards of either 3000 or 4000 series will have to do.

Price and stock is going to be another problem though.