I keep reading stuff like "Trademark and IP are different things" and others nonsense so I'll quote myself again:
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RUMOR: Nintendo has plans to revive a 'Dead and Buried' game (Update: Possibly Scalebound?)
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Scalebound on Switch specifically was a rumor
All I'll say about it. And I'm not vouching for its credibility. Could have been a false rumor (lots of fake things are passed around all the time)
I'm simply saying, yes that existed and it's interesting to see it popping back up
Man, if this thing is real, then who the fuck is directing it ? Because it's definitely not Kamiya.
I would LOVE a new Super Monkey Ball in the vein of the GameCube titles. I'm sure there are other Chads out there who miss the series.
Great, thank you for the clarification.
What makes you say that? He's currently supervising Astral Chain but that appears to be nearly done, what else is he specifically doing?
Imran said the game kamiya worked on might not exist anymore. He speculated that Kamiya took over Bayo 3, but probably doesn't know that.
Exactly. I'm also fascinated by the way one person finally speaks up... and then a butt ton suddenly follow up claiming they've heard the same thing.
Nothing, that's the point. I've heard a lot about the situation of Platinum Games back in late 2018 and one thing was made very clear to me: Kamiya was not directing anything at all at this point.
Which is why I was very doubtful of this rumor in the first place: who would be making it ?
why ? He is not directing Astral Chain and I don't think we know who's directing Babylon's Fall.
This is not abnormal
Most people that know things dont share them
Its shitty to possibly burn / people you care about. Leaking things puts people potentially in danger. Once it's out in the open though that changes things
Oh, weird. Then yeah that would definitely cast doubt on this rumor.
This might not be the most suitable moment but you are the right person to ask to in this case because your words will not be misunderstood or taken out of context.
On twitter, you said you helped out on the pitch of Astral Chain back in the day and that it looked pretty different now. From Astral Chain's trailer, did you think "hey, this reminds of this stuff from Scalebound" or did you get any general Scalebound vibes? I personally still do not see a resemblance between the two footages, so perhaps this resemblance comes from closed doors footage that we, the public, didn't get to see. I'm asking because some of people who knew about this said "Scalebound? Didn't you see Astral Chain?" and it's getting confusing.
SCALEBOUND
for NINTENDO SWITCH
Supervisor
HIDEKI KAMIYA
Directed by
EIRO SHIRAHAMA
SCALEBOUND
for NINTENDO SWITCH
Supervisor
HIDEKI KAMIYA
Directed by
EIRO SHIRAHAMA
y'are joking but the guy worked as game designer on bayo 2 and TW101
It's not really surprising that Kamiya isn't directing anything. He's done directing, he's the senior vice president of PlatinumGames, and Chief Game Designer. He's the boss of the dev teams, he won't have time to direct anything from now on imo.
Actually it due to too busy on Twitter, keep tweeting all the time is serious business.
cross post with the Astral Chain thread:
I've been seeing people mention that Astral Chain is what happened to Scalebound, but I can't say I agree.
From the setting, to the combat, to the aesthetics, to the engine, to the music, to even the genre. An AI partner and a bow is basically the only similarities I could think of?
However, I think it's possible it's based off one cancelled game - MGR.
Timeline could match up pretty well, MGR2 was teased in 2015. Two years later it was nowhere to be seen and Astral Chain started development.
The setting (futuristic/cyberpunk city), blade wolf, and the gameplay match up more I feel.
These two are pretty obvious. Two stealth take downs that require surprising the enemy. Even has the Metal Gear ?, perhaps as a nod.
In the roof top scene you see you and your legion sneak up on a tough armored enemy to stun them and unleash a joint combo.
Legion is probably a mix of ideas, maybe blade wolf was going to follow you in 2 and fight alongside you. Likely had to replace Rising's cut and take gimmick with something original, but this seems cool.
At least that's my take instead of "it's obviously scalebound"
I've been seeing people mention that Astral Chain is what happened to Scalebound, but I can't say I agree.
From the setting, to the combat, to the aesthetics, to the engine, to the music, to even the genre. An AI partner and a bow is basically the only similarities I could think of?
However, I think it's possible it's based off one cancelled game - MGR.
Timeline could match up pretty well, MGR2 was teased in 2015. Two years later it was nowhere to be seen and Astral Chain started development.
The setting (futuristic/cyberpunk city), blade wolf, and the gameplay match up more I feel.
These two are pretty obvious. Two stealth take downs that require surprising the enemy. Even has the Metal Gear ?, perhaps as a nod.
In the roof top scene you see you and your legion sneak up on a tough armored enemy to stun them and unleash a joint combo.
Legion is probably a mix of ideas, maybe blade wolf was going to follow you in 2 and fight alongside you. Likely had to replace Rising's cut and take gimmick with something original, but this seems cool.
At least that's my take instead of "it's obviously scalebound"
I don't think it's re using ideas from a cancelled MGR2 but I agree that it has more of a MGR vibe than a Scalebound vibe, from the combat to the futuristic setting.cross post with the Astral Chain thread:
I've been seeing people mention that Astral Chain is what happened to Scalebound, but I can't say I agree.
From the setting, to the combat, to the aesthetics, to the engine, to the music, to even the genre. An AI partner and a bow is basically the only similarities I could think of?
However, I think it's possible it's based off one cancelled game - MGR.
Timeline could match up pretty well, MGR2 was teased in 2015. Two years later it was nowhere to be seen and Astral Chain started development.
The setting (futuristic/cyberpunk city), blade wolf, and the gameplay match up more I feel.
These two are pretty obvious. Two stealth take downs that require surprising the enemy. Even has the Metal Gear ?, perhaps as a nod.
In the roof top scene you see you and your legion sneak up on a tough armored enemy to stun them and unleash a joint combo.
Legion is probably a mix of ideas, maybe blade wolf was going to follow you in 2 and fight alongside you. Likely had to replace Rising's cut and take gimmick with something original, but this seems cool.
At least that's my take instead of "it's obviously scalebound"
You're also right about the stealth scene with the "?" lol
Feel bad for Shirahama. It's not like he's gotten a chance to direct with both time and budget.SCALEBOUND
for NINTENDO SWITCH
Supervisor
HIDEKI KAMIYA
Directed by
EIRO SHIRAHAMA
Though I'm not sure if it was his idea to make TMNT an open world game with bad co-op.
I think I remember some reviews saying the traversal was pretty cool, tho
That lines up with what Ehoavash said as well, that Kamiya probably wouldn't be directing anything anytime soon.
Oh I'm sure he'd do a decent job with something resembling a budget and under one of those fabled Nintendo producers.
Before this whole Scalebound Switch rumor business started all I knew about the actual game was that it was cancelled and a XBOX exclusive. When it was originally announced I didn't care because I don't own a Microsoft system.
I decided to watch old videos and interviews made by IGN and other outlets on Scalebound and.....
Now I want this game! Lol... I can see Microsoft and PG going head to head in creative differences for this game. Where Microsoft would want this title to be more of a service and Platinum wanting this to be more of a.... Game that's not a service.
I hope this rumor is true and Nintendo Let's Platinum make this game into the IP they envisioned it.
I decided to watch old videos and interviews made by IGN and other outlets on Scalebound and.....
Now I want this game! Lol... I can see Microsoft and PG going head to head in creative differences for this game. Where Microsoft would want this title to be more of a service and Platinum wanting this to be more of a.... Game that's not a service.
I hope this rumor is true and Nintendo Let's Platinum make this game into the IP they envisioned it.
lol
The Nintendo exclusive skins would be great.
I still haven't let go
What is wrong with me
It... does?
It means any other company can now use the trademark since Microsoft is no longer enforcing it.
That is exactly what it means. The trademark was abandoned because Microsoft couldn't show that they're going to do anything with it.
Are we going to loop this trademark thing again really.
I'm not saying Scalebound is coming to Switch, I think the whole rumor is bull, but the trademark being abandoned means precisely that MS can no longer enforce it. I'm correcting you on that specific point.
It means they can't enforce use of the trademark, but a trademark isn't the only thing protecting an IP. Copyright is arguably an even bigger protection and the copyright protection on everything created for Scalebound will still stand.
I know, and IP ownership in this case is muddy (the name is abandoned owing to the trademark being abandoned, the assets are presumably owned by MS since they were made under contract to them, the idea cannot be "owned", so it belongs to no one). That's not the point I am contesting anyway. I am saying, specifically, that the trademark is not owned by MS. That is literally indisputable.
Scalebound sounds exciting but i don't believe it either. My bet is also Megaman
Guys, here's LordKano's post again:
IP law is complicated but in this case yes, the Trademark being abandoned does mean it's possible another party can use the Scalebound name. Depending on a bunch of factors, such as time after abandonment.
IP law is complicated but in this case yes, the Trademark being abandoned does mean it's possible another party can use the Scalebound name. Depending on a bunch of factors, such as time after abandonment.
Scalebound makes alot of sense. As does Silent Hill given how hyped the canned first person Silent Hill was. Doubt Koonami would play nice, given they seem to care less and less about console gaming. Maybe Nintendo will just buy up Koonami's IPs
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