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What will it be?

  • Scalebound

    Votes: 1,384 44.0%
  • Mega Man Legends 3

    Votes: 733 23.3%
  • Timesplitters 4

    Votes: 253 8.1%
  • Eternal Darkness 2

    Votes: 476 15.1%
  • Silent Hills

    Votes: 296 9.4%

  • Total voters
    3,142
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Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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no way this is Scalebound, I am shocked people think nintendo would take leftovers from the competition.

MS cancelled that game FOR A REASON.

that reason being, it wasn't up to the quality standards

and people expect nintendo, of all companies to invest precious money and resources there??? c'mon people
Wasn't this how Bayonetta 2 happens pretty much?

No one else wanted to fund it at the time so Nintendo picked it up?
 

MaitreWakou

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
May 15, 2018
13,180
Toulouse, France
If I'm correct Emily told us that Platinum is working on 3 Switch games. Bayonetta, Astral and Wonderful 101 are the safe bet.

But what if...
Emily just said "one company worse keeping an eye on in 2019 is PlatinumGames"
LeakyPandy was the only one talking about 3 games by PlatinumGames and published by Nintendo (Bayonetta 3 being one of them), Kamiya being involved in all three.
But it's LeakyPandy so it's not worse talking about it.
 

Egida

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Oct 27, 2017
4,383
Voted Silent Hills because every option is stupid anyway and that's the one I'd like to become real.
 

NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
54,164
How often do we hear about Nintendo or other companies re-registering trademarks when they are about to use them? That doesn't mean they no longer owned the IPs.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
41,037
In all fairness to Zhuge I'm pretty sure gold is more expensive than platinum today, at least in the NYSE.
 

jroc74

Member
Oct 27, 2017
28,995
And I agree. This is the only way this rumor is even remotely close to truish. Everything we know about Astral Chain is basically Scalebound with the dragon replaced by the Legion, minus fantasy, plus sci-fi, with the generic western-ish character design replaced by Masakazu Katsura.

If there is any truth to this, it's Astral Chain, not Scalebound redux.
I remember someone saying this, and while it makes sense...I want it to be Scalebound, lol.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,974
Canada
Those were at least decently spaced out. They weren't working on Star Fox while doing TW101 (I don't think anyway).

I suppose if they only started working on another game after releasing Astral Chain, that'd be one thing. But how many games can they work on at once? Don't forget, SE still has them signed on for Babylon's Fall.

But the main thing is: Why get the Scalebound IP when they could just make a brand new IP about a dude with a dragon?

ScaleBound is Kamiya's dream game. Its probably very important to them and they probably still want to do it.

And of course you gotta consider that Astral Chain is nearing completion and Bayonetta 3 could be pretty far along as well. But the big thing is theres no telling how far along this Nintendo revival thing is.

Platinum could very well be early in development with Scalebound Switch and it might not see the light of day until years from now.
 

Sadist

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
5,332
Holland
Yeah, Zhuge made a joke, I got that.

The delivery wasn't flawless; better luck next time my dude :P
 

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LordofPwn

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Oct 27, 2017
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Can Imran at least shut down the scale bound rumors? seems like if untrue it be a quick tweet to send out. fascinating none the less.
 

Bomblord

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Jan 11, 2018
6,390
After watching the direct I thought this rumor was about Rune Factory 5. Since the rumor was pre-direct and the studio that made Rune Factory was canned.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,688
Scalebound looked fucking terrible every time they demoed it. If it's that I hope they've completely rebooted it but with the same idea because the concept was cool as hell.

Seriously though, look at this trash it looked boring as all hell. And that's a BOSS FIGHT. Arguably the thing Platinum does best.

 

Okabe

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Aug 24, 2018
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Scalebound on switch has enough chance of DMC appearing on switch.
 

Deleted member 33

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Oct 24, 2017
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If I'm correct Emily told us that Platinum is working on 3 Switch games. Bayonetta, Astral and Wonderful 101 are the safe bet.

But what if...

You are conflating what I said with what Leakypanda said. I said to keep an eye on Platinum in 2019. That's all I said. The number three was never mentioned by me.

The switch rumor archive thread exists so people can keep track of who said what.
 

Deleted member 2791

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Oct 25, 2017
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The trademark was. I don't think it's safe to say the IP was.

I'm no expert so I'm clueless how this works.

Trademark is an intellectual property right. There are different kinds of IPR, but in the case of a game's name, Trademark and Copyright are the only two that really apply. A trademark needs to be registered and renewed generally every ten years. However, when a company doesn't use it for three consecutive years (in US, the length varies depending on the country but it's generally three to five years), it's considered as abandoned, which doesn't necessarily means the original holder has no right on it but it becomes much more feasible for another company to get their hands on it.

Copyright is different as in it doesn't protect just a name like Trademark does but rather a work (like a photography) and you don't even need to register it to have copyrights rights on your work. It lasts for like 70 years but law varies a lot depending on the country.

In this case, considering PlatinumGames was the original developer in any case, I don't think Copyright would be such a big hurdle. But it depends a lot on details we simply don't have. As for Trademark, it seems to be abandoned in both USPTO and EUIPO but Microsoft can still have common law rights despite the situation.
 

jschreier

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Oct 25, 2017
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This Nintendo Insider site doesn't seem to understand the difference between IP ownership and trademark registration:

As far as I am aware, the Scalebound trademark was renewed but soon had to be abandoned thanks to Microsoft being unable to state what they would use it for. Ultimately, that has left the door open for another publisher to step in and, as part of on-going discussions around the projects that PlatinumGames could work on for Nintendo Switch, it was something that Nintendo expressed interest in.

Anyway, didn't Platinum literally just announce an action game with co-op multiplayer as a Switch exclusive? I guess it's possible that Nintendo is also paying for Scalebound, but why would they bother? My guess -- and please be clear that this is a guess; I am not confirming or denying anything -- is that Platinum re-used a lot of Scalebound's design and tech for Astral Chain, and people are just getting their wires crossed.
 

Kouriozan

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Oct 25, 2017
21,122
Let me in the Scalebound train, as I'm curious how they could finish it.
Would make sense for Kamiya to direct it.
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
12,401
The most outlandish one that I can think of is Everquest Next.
Something worth noting about Scalebound,

The entire concept that they worked with under Microsoft was drastically different from what the entire IP was supposedly originally intended to be. Apparently the original idea was a story about a girl raising a dragon, and began development all the way back on the Wii. I'm not really sure if the IP as it existed under Microsoft was a concept Kamiya had much heart for, marketing was pretty quiet during the entire game's leadup, Kamiya seemed pretty "whatever" about a game he apparently always wanted to make, and one of the purported reasons the project was buckling was creative differences between P* and MS. The entire presentation of the game, along with the way the protagonist looked like, and the multiplayer concept, felt like it was Microsoft mandated rather than anything Platinum and Kamiya was hoping to go for (an ironic inverse of when Nintendo shot down PG's idea for TW101 being a more corporate-driven Nintendo all-star title, instead wanting them to make something entirely original and intrinsic to them).

Again, I have my doubts that Scalebound is the title we're talking about (even if some insiders seem to be spreading the rumor while Zhuge seems to be shooting it down), I feel like the concept of a synchronous combat system was something they've already implemented into Astral Chain... but then it's important to consider the fact that if Scalebound is brought back, I don't think it's going to be brought back the way it was initially revealed. I think it might end up harkening back to Kamiya's original concept for the game, which was a drastically different title. It'd be Scalebound in-name only. The protagonist is bound to get a redesign anyway because he basically looks exactly like DMC5 Nero.

So who knows. If it's Scalebound... it's probably not going to be an action title like the one we saw. I'd actually be down for Platinum to not do a stylish hack-and-slash like they usually do, I enjoy it when they go a little off the beaten path such as games like Vanquish and Okami (when they were still Clover).
I hope this is true because even though I'm expecting Scalebound what I saw of it in the videos turned me off personally. I couldn't understand the hype.
 

Mugy

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Oct 28, 2017
3,424
yeah everyone is gonna read into the joke as if he meant its true and platinum is developing


Nah, whoever follows the man knows he is joking. Also, did anybody noticed the tweet that former Platinum Creative director say about this whole scalebound thing being highly unlikely?
 

Odeko

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Mar 22, 2018
15,180
West Blue
People refuse to accept that Platinum is just as guilty as Microsoft for its destruction
Kamiya's ouevre is a non-stop line up of masterpieces, while Microsoft has a history of messing up development with other studios, especially Japanese ones. Of course people are going to point to where history tells them to.
 

requiem

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Dec 3, 2017
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How big is Platinum? This rumour would mean they are currently working on Astral Chain, Babylon's Fall, Bayonetta 3 and Scalebound? Seems excessive.
 

Abriael

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,605
Milano - Italy
It isn't like a game can be rebooted, the visual effects can be scaled down and whatnot...

So you want the same game, but worse?

Well, I guess some are easily satisfied.

Kamiya's ouevre is a non-stop line up of masterpieces, while Microsoft has a history of messing up development with other studios, especially Japanese ones. Of course people are going to point to where history tells them to.

Kamiya-san himself recognizes very openly that he messes up, a lot.
 

Jaded Alyx

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Oct 25, 2017
35,378
Trademark is an intellectual property right. There are different kinds of IPR, but in the case of a game's name, Trademark and Copyright are the only two that really apply. A trademark needs to be registered and renewed generally every ten years. However, when a company doesn't use it for three consecutive years (in US, the length varies depending on the country but it's generally three to five years), it's considered as abandoned, which doesn't necessarily means the original holder has no right on it but it becomes much more feasible for another company to get their hands on it.

Copyright is different as in it doesn't protect just a name like Trademark does but rather a work (like a photography) and you don't even need to register it to have copyrights rights on your work. It lasts for like 70 years but law varies a lot depending on the country.

In this case, considering PlatinumGames was the original developer in any case, I don't think Copyright would be such a big hurdle. But it depends a lot on details we simply don't have. As for Trademark, it seems to be abandoned in both USPTO and EUIPO but Microsoft can still have common law rights despite the situation.
Thanks
 
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