I wonder why if true. They get every major third party game anyway. And I don't see publishers lowering their prices because of this, though I suppose that's a possibility.
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It could lead to more japanese devs supporting them at least.
They should just add the 12% clause to their Game Pass deal: we only take 12% from your game sales if your game is on Game Pass.
Good trojan horse to get more devs on GP and probably wouldn't even hurt their bottom line since every dev on GP / MS is very adamant about the fact that GP also encourages game sales.
Good trojan horse to get more devs on GP and probably wouldn't even hurt their bottom line since every dev on GP / MS is very adamant about the fact that GP also encourages game sales.
If you read it it was supposed to happen this half and one of the demands of MS to do that was having streaming rights for all the games with 12% cut. Which yeah, I doint think its something the big publishers want considering they are all looking into their own solutions (now using Stadia backend).
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Marketing thing that only happened in the US (not in the EU lol), and only for 1 game.
I read somewhere these docs are from the court filings in the Epic suit against Apple.
i don't know how that applies to GamePass. I don't think they are taking the standard cut currently on GP as there are no units being sold.
This is probably easier to do for Microsoft, than any of the other platform holders, as they move more and more towards a service model and 'sold games' are less of a factor business wise. Not saying they're not a factor but, you know, they're clearly putting a lot of eggs in a Game Pass basket. And presumably only want to do that more and more as time goes on.
Probably a harder conversation if you're not pursuing that business model and that 30% on sold games is a bigger factor.
Still, it's still a massive drop for Xbox and I'm definitely surprised to see it (assuming this does happen)
Probably a harder conversation if you're not pursuing that business model and that 30% on sold games is a bigger factor.
Still, it's still a massive drop for Xbox and I'm definitely surprised to see it (assuming this does happen)
Sony are the dominant incumbent in the performance console market. This is MS making ways to compete, they have no ability to strangle Sony, nor will this do so.
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Microsoft explored reducing its Xbox store cut to shake up console gaming
Microsoft had wanted to cut fees to just 12 percent
www.theverge.com
Saying at this time and all that, but for now we have a denial.
Imagine leaking this. If I leaked an internal document such as this I'd not only be fired immediately but likely taken to court too.
That said, will be interesting if MS lowers their Xbox store cuts for sure. I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner. But 12% is quite the drop.
That said, will be interesting if MS lowers their Xbox store cuts for sure. I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner. But 12% is quite the drop.
Sure, I didn't intend to be reactionary and hyperbolic. I just mean in the sense that if Xbox consistently offers a better deal (like we're already seeing with Game Pass, to be honest) then it puts Sony in a tougher spot.
Obviously these things can add up, but let's see whether this is true first, I guess.
I could totally see MS dropping their cut for games where the license also includes xcloud streaming.
Which games on Epic Game Store are cheaper than other stores? To my knowledge all games are priced identically to other stores.
Strangle PlayStation out of the market? That is quite a stretch.
Great news, Hopefully shorter exclusive time periods become more common for 3rd party deals this gen. Nothing worse than having to wait 6 to 12 months for a game to come to another platform.
Tim Sweeney's methods may be obnoxious and I may hardly be able to bring myself to care about large corps duking it out over more money, but credit where credit is due, I don't think moves like this happen without Sweeney's litigation. And regardless of his intent, it seems like it'll help all developers, including those that are smaller/less mainstream, to turn a profit and keep making games. So, good on you, Tim. Please, do us a favor though, and don't release things like that 1984 video.
Because they got paid in money and marketing exposure they wouldnt have gotten otherwise.
I doubt the game is a permanent exclusive though, it'll probably appear elsewhere at some point
I'm sure they want to get at Nintendo, but in a different way. Microsoft is probably hedging their bets on ecosystems being opened up at some point(hence them somewhat supporting Epic) because then they could easily launch Gamepass(with all the content from their many acquired studios) on any device they want, including Switch(and PlayStation).
I doubt this is about strangling Sony out of the market. This is about making the Xbox ecosystem incredibly appealing to devs and publishers so as to not miss out on games even if the install base is smaller. If you are going to launch a game only on PS and/or Switch and you can't justify launching to Xbox because of the smaller market share, this entices you to launch on Xbox too as even with the smaller market share you get a bigger cut on units sold. Of course, there is more at play here because this along with the same cut in their PC store means they will attract more games to the Xbox ecosystem. This will lead to more games that can come to GP which will, in turn, attract more customers to the Xbox ecosystem.
I don't game on PC but it looks like it was just for Metro Exodus.
if they were gonna announce it at e3 they would have saved the pc store annoucement for e3 too rather than space out two seperate announcments for essentially the same thing within a month. its not like pc isnt at e3 too lol.
I mean 30% is kind of a nuts cut for doing basically nothing so 12% seems a lot fairer given the work these platform holders actually do.
It was more understandable when the consoles were huge loss leaders and these huge 30% cuts were basically compensating them for giving access to a quick growing install base at the platform holders cost. Now that the consoles are basically using off the shelf parts and the hardware quickly becomes profitable it makes a lot less sense to try and justify a 30% cut
It was more understandable when the consoles were huge loss leaders and these huge 30% cuts were basically compensating them for giving access to a quick growing install base at the platform holders cost. Now that the consoles are basically using off the shelf parts and the hardware quickly becomes profitable it makes a lot less sense to try and justify a 30% cut
Unlike the windows store change which is a total nothingburger, the xbox store changing to match would be very big news. Although the implications of it are enormous for Microsoft from a revenue perspective. Unlike on PC, this would actually hurt their pocket book quite a lot, so I'm skeptical they'll follow through on it.
Probably getting mixed up with the "$10 off anything including new/unreleased games " sales Epic had. If I recall correctly, that also upset developers who were worried people would wait for that price again if they missed the sale and reduce the expected amount to pay for the game.
Microsoft explored reducing its Xbox store cut to shake up console gaming
Microsoft had wanted to cut fees to just 12 percent
www.theverge.com
Sony would certainly be forced to do the same and they'd have to shut down the Vita & PS3 stores just to keep the lights on. 😔
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Microsoft explored reducing its Xbox store cut to shake up console gaming
Microsoft had wanted to cut fees to just 12 percent
Saying at this time and all that, but for now we have a denial.
Remember this: https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/5/21355756/microsoft-xbox-live-rename-gold-free-rumors
And then they tried to double the price of Gold.
That said, I could see this being the case for streaming rights.
MS is making some serious moves this gen...
"At this time" hmm...Microsoft explored reducing its Xbox store cut to shake up console gaming
Microsoft had wanted to cut fees to just 12 percent
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Lowering the cut would be one way to entice more Japanese developers for ports so I hope that's true
As far as I remember MS were the ones to establish the 30% standard so it's cool to see them reduce it. Especially since everyone from Apple to Sony copied it.MS have been thought leaders in the console space since the original Xbox hell i
I remember the negative reaction to a console with a hdd then Xbox live, wireless controllers, off set sticks courting PC only devs.
So many standard features that MS introduced that are now common place. It's curious if the gaming industry will continue to follow them down there path.
I remember the negative reaction to a console with a hdd then Xbox live, wireless controllers, off set sticks courting PC only devs.
So many standard features that MS introduced that are now common place. It's curious if the gaming industry will continue to follow them down there path.
What do you mean agreeing to it? This means all developers get more money no matter what. Developers don't have to agree to anything here