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We already know that Bungie considered partnering with Microsoft over Activision but Microsoft wanted the IP (after initial talks with Activision brought red flags). There's a lot of smoke to these talks happening (but nothing coming from them). From multiple independent sources too.
Ehhh, you can believe that. I don't. They were working on Destiny when they were under Microsoft (technically, though they may have had announced their independence by that point but no deal was made with a publisher). I don't think the issue was ever working on Halo and there's nothing indicating that was the case. It seemed very obvious it was all about IP ownership and independence.
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maybe, this is what this thread is on about? https://www.resetera.com/threads/gr...on-something-that-isnt-an-acquisition.285194/
MS tried to buy Bungie, but settled on some sort of timed-exclusivity or Game Pass deal for Beyond Light?
MS tried to buy Bungie, but settled on some sort of timed-exclusivity or Game Pass deal for Beyond Light?
I don't recall Jeff being "offended," just suggesting that video game companies probably wouldn't make major announcements on 9/11 (which ended up being true!) and then when Sony announced the PS5 event on Saturday the 12th, suggesting that they announced it at the odd time because they didn't want to announce it on 9/11. I don't know where the whole "lol Jeff so offended" thing came from. If anything, some of his comments were a little flippant toward the day.
But this is sort of off-topic.
Yeah you're going way too in depth in this response for what I was saying. I was correcting that guy who was misreading it that Jeff offended someone else for posting gaming news.
I couldn't care less about either side.
Ina publisher-developer capacity, not in a owner-subsidiary capacity. Bungie bought out their freedom from MS for good reason. And a huge part of that was wanting to get away from making nothing but Halo.
The bolded proves my point and undermines your entire argument. How can you rationally argue against Bungie not wanting to make Halo when they were working on a non-Halo game while in MS which was the impetus that drove them to split from MS? Seems a little intellectually dishonest to try to argue that.
I never said it did. The point is that the amount of content has dropped off drastically in comparison to what they were delivering when they were with Activision. This can easily be seen in the amount of raids we've seen in the last year. 1 whereas when they were with Activision we got 2-3 raids per year. They're struggling solo.
If you think me saying really not that independent of publishers == me saying totally dependent on publishers or that Microsoft is buying Bungie then boy...I uhh don't really know what to say. You should read up on some stuff.
For good reason? Lol
Yeah. For IP ownership and independence. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Lol.... try again. How can you rationally argue that Microsoft was forcing them to work only on Halo if they were working on Destiny while under Microsoft? Want to talk about intellectual dishonesty?
Also... maybe they knew they were going independent and knew they wouldn't have Halo?
My point was that Microsoft allowed them to work on Destiny either way. It's been a long time, but I believe Jason Jones was working on Destiny for years while under Microsoft If I recall correctly.
It comes down to this: I have never seen anything from Bungie indicating that they left to stop working on Halo. I've seen assumptions from the internet, but every time someone from Bungie acknowledged reasons (that I've seen), it's been all about independence and IP ownership. Couple that with how close Destiny is to Halo - by your own admission, it's basically Halo GaaS - and there's no proof there that I see as that being a reason for the split.
I'll bring up Marty again because he was a core Bungie member and leader - he's expressed desire to return to composing Halo. He hasn't been asked to though. And to my point, if Microsoft would just switch Bungie to Halo then there's no way Microsoft wouldn't have asked Marty to compose a Halo game when he left Bungie. But they apparently never did.
Heck, you'd think Microsoft would have had Joe Staten work on Halo a lot sooner than he did (he just now joined 343i's leadership team). Instead, Staten was doing his own thing at Microsoft (for years), despite his crucial role in making Halo what it was.
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Where did this even come from? I'm actually curious. Because I've seen multiple people say this, and I definitely never said I was offended by anyone doing anything on Friday or Saturday.
Edit: Nevermind.
Both? Bungie's last two IP were huge so it's likely their next IP will be big as well. Destiny 2 is still pretty healthy.
So this last generation Sony acquired Insomniac Games. Gaikai in 2012, Sucker Punch in 2011 but the ones before that were like 2007? So not including the audio company you're talking 3 in 13 years.
Microsoft have bought 7 in 2 years with supposedly two more acquired but not yet announced. Pretty big goal posts there.
This is a strange thing to use as an example. Aside from simply not being true, it doesn't take into account important factors in the years where there were multiple raids.
Destiny Year 1: 2 raids
Destiny Year 2: 1 raid
Destiny Year 3: 1 raid
Destiny 2 Year 1: 3 raids (1 regular raid / 2 "raid lairs")
Destiny 2 Year 2: 2 raids
Destiny 2 Year 3: 1 raid
The original Destiny lasted three years. Only one of those years had more than 1 raid, so saying "when they were with Activision, we got 2-3 raids per year" is literally wrong. And it's important to take into account that in that multiple-raid year, the second raid (Crota's End) was much shorter and widely looked at as being inferior to the previous raid (Vault of Glass).
If you want to just look at Destiny 2, there's a reason why Bungie went out of their way to label the other two Leviathan raids as "raid lairs." Much like Crota's End, these are not full-fledged Raids on the level of Vault of Glass, King's Fall, the original Leviathan or Last Wish. T hey are shorter, easier and don't take as much development time and reaction to them was mixed.
Either way, there isn't enough of a pattern here to use it as an example of them "struggling solo." Content has not dropped off "drastically." That's hyperbolic.
It also ignores the fact that while there was "only" one raid this most recent year, there were two dungeons released. This isn't something you can look at from a black or white "only 1 raid this year!" point of view to prove some sort of point. It's more nuanced than that.
What is it about Destiny/Bungie specifically that causes nearly every single thread about them to be a complete dumpster fire?
Does this happen in Warframe/Digital Extremes threads?
Does this happen in Warframe/Digital Extremes threads?
They wont - the inconvenient truth is that XBOX needs Bungie more than the other way around. They have the nous, know-how and the perfect product for the type of platform XBOX wants to be. They sit on the Gaas throne for a reason - their special sauce has yet to be replicated.
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Yeah I was just using the wording used by the guy I was responding to. I know nothing about it really other than that people were posting your tweet in some other thread and whining about it.
You made a tweet about how quick can one hype videogames after 9/11 regarding sony putting out news early next day. But people here started saying it was hypocritical of you as you yourself didnt mind doing the "MS/xbox is spending a lot of money on something not acquisition related" news on 9/11 in your podcast itself.
Thats basically the story here.
So this last generation Sony acquired Insomniac Games. Gaikai in 2012, Sucker Punch in 2011 but the ones before that were like 2007? So not including the audio company you're talking 3 in 13 years.
Microsoft have bought 7 in 2 years with supposedly two more acquired but not yet announced. Pretty big goal posts there.
That's just a testament to how far they were behind in 1-party studios TBH
It's really a question for Bungie. They created Halo and I'm sure they still love it. That is their baby. If they want to make another Halo game, and they might, it would be a big win. Especially seeing the franchise in decline. If they do not want to make Halo, that is fine. Still a win for Microsoft as they are a really talented bunch.
I think the chances of Microsoft buying Bungie to make Halo are basically zero. Goes completely against the philosophy that Spencer and Booty have been aiming for with their studio acquisitions, offering creative control and the ability to return to independence if the studio wishes. Plus, it would mean pulling the plug on everything 343 have been doing these past few years in updating the engine, flushing 10s of millions of dollars down the drain. And what would they do with Infinite? Just can it and let a Bungie start from scratch?
This makes no sense.
If anything I would like to see Bungie acquired by Playstation and drink from the the SIE first-party studio magic development pipeline chalice. They've been everywhere else already.
But I'm sure they value their independence. It's part of their plan for world domination, after all.
But I'm sure they value their independence. It's part of their plan for world domination, after all.
So just one?
Yes over a 26 year period. Not the aggressive rate at which Microsoft are acquiring studios. That's the point I'm trying to make.
And that's very true, it's clearly a long term solution and not a quick win. I expect to see a few more acquired yet but if they grow too much too fast they'll have to scale their games in scope to fit. It would be difficult to release 16+ AAA games over a 2 year period and have them all be very successful. I imagine they'll stick to using double fine for game pass and more fun content.
Makes total sense especially considering exclusive IPs that Sony has over Microsoft so far and making one of their most iconic franchises ever. I'd love it, but considering that Bungie left Xbox's exclusivity before find it hard to see them going back.
who of these parties have a financial interest in propping up the value of their company for a potential sale
Because being acquired by a company automatically means their games get better.
no that would be worse
sony would cut off every platform besides Ps
ms would def allow destiny to be multiplatform if the purchased bungie. Like minecraft
That's really wild stuff. I wasn't saying Sony was being insensitive or that I was offended. It was a joke (barely -- more an observation) that they seemed to pick the earliest possible time slot after 9/11 to make the announcement. There was zero criticism of Sony there. If I was in charge of a corporation, I would have done the same thing.
