Naw, we should go with the non-denial denial of the CEO over five independent sources, he's probably less biased. /s
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Naw, we should go with the non-denial denial of the CEO over five independent sources, he's probably less biased. /s
Not great, Destiny 1 changed a lot and caused a lot of old staff to leave.
Not saying that. Just saying that a CEO is a more credible source than "insiders" and that we should wait to trust them over a credible source until we see or hear something substantial.
I'm guessing the "false" part is that they've fallen through each time because of the high price. I'm sure a deal this complicated had several issues.
Considering we just got another insider saying this is true, and the denial from bungie was very non-specific, i dont know how much i believe bungie.
Or it could be updated to reflect the four other corroborating sources, including two in this thread.
This is what an actual denial from Bungie would look like:
"Bungie has not been engaged in acquisition discussions with Microsoft."
They wouldn't be a halo factory, Destiny is more successful than halo and has been more relevant than halo. Judging by the games played on their own service the last 4 years at least.
We really need to stop putting our faith in insiders because 9 times out of 10 it leads to disappointment and getting burnt. I'm not going to believe this until it's a little more supported.
That Bungie is even entertaining the talks says leagues about how Microsoft manages their studios. A subsidiary that breaks off generally doesn't entertain the thought of going back to an abusive parent. And given that Microsoft has seemingly solved Bungies past Gripes by making dedicated studios for IPs so that the devs that want to can do other things. Its not all that bad of a deal given how things stand.
That said, it looks like Cost is going to be the big thing for now keeping the two apart.
That said, it looks like Cost is going to be the big thing for now keeping the two apart.
No, there is benefit in Microsoft keeping 343i separate. If you have powerhouse IPs, and a tonne of Talent; you need to spawn off separate Studios/teams whose sole job is that IP. That way you get a team whose every thought will be that IP, full of people passionate about that IP... and your Talent is more likely to stay in-house because they wont feel shackled to a specific project. Because If they want to work on GoW/Halo/ect they get a transfer to that studio. If they no longer want to do that, they transfer out to another studio in-house.
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Pretty drastic difference between the steady rate of studios over time that have mainly worked for Sony Vs third party Devs with multiple console experience and the aggressive rate at which Microsoft is expanding. Sony aren't doing the same thing. There is a difference.
Also didn't Bungie fight to break away from Microsoft? Why go back?
Did you ever apologize for this?
If for some reason this happened, I would imagine MS would treat Destiny like Minecraft and keep it on all platforms. Nothing else would make sense financially. Any new IP, especially if it wasn't GAAS, would probably be PC and Xbox only. I could live with that. I would be against taking Destiny off of existing platforms. That would totally suck for the fan base and be anti-consumer.
Goal post moving. It's all the same shit and it's all for the same reason to get people into their ecosystem.
It really doesn't, unless you believe every single fake idiot who comes along on Twitter.
Which is why putting insiders all together in a bucket never makes sense. Judge people by their record, just like you would any source. It doesn't make sense to say "we should never trust any insiders because some of them are often wrong."
MS would just put Bungie on making Halo for the rest of their existence; especially since 343i has made such a pig's ear of the franchise.
I'm not seeing why Bungie would want this (if they wanted to be bought they would have sold to ActiBlizzard). And I can see the only reason MS wanting this is to save the Halo franchise from it's current race towards obscurity in the hands of 343i.
Er... that's enough for like one AAA game these days. They've more than likely burned through that already. They're a huge (700+ person) studio.
I'm not seeing why Bungie would want this (if they wanted to be bought they would have sold to ActiBlizzard). And I can see the only reason MS wanting this is to save the Halo franchise from it's current race towards obscurity in the hands of 343i.
Er... that's enough for like one AAA game these days. They've more than likely burned through that already. They're a huge (700+ person) studio.
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I would say: Sure when you apologize for offending everyone reporting video game news a day after 9/11 but I don't need to apologize for my comment you have done nothing but prove that statement correct. Also you viciously attacked me for that comment back when I made it, I ignored it as I don't argue with incompetent people.
…yikes.
(also, this probably should go without saying, but i went back and read his reply to you for that comment and nothing in it could be described as a "vicious attack")
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No they wouldn't. Bungie would do what they wanted.
According to Marty, Bungie hated Activision's handling of Destiny from the start. They even considered going back to Microsoft but Microsoft wanted to own the Destiny IP which was a non-starter. Microsoft and Bungie were never on bad terms.
This sounds like when I'm shooting the shit with my buddy and I ask if he wants to sell his company to me. He responds my writing a hilarious crazy price on a napkin and says it's his asking price. Like it's a joke on both sides and we know even if I would pay the price on said napkin, he still wouldn't sell it to me.
Why do you always cherry pick what you post in certain threads? There's a plethora of other positive tweets from him but you choose that one, that isn't even aimed at who you think it is.
I have looked up records and seen who people say is credible. I've done all of that. I've still seen, time and time again, people, especially on this forum, get burnt from trusting them. Even the best have spotty records. Then, when people say that they got stuff wrong and that they're not going to trust insiders just so that they don't get burnt, they get jumped on. I'm not trying to say those people are evil. I'm just saying that, even being careful, there are plenty of times when we've gotten burnt so I'm not going to trust them. That's not antagonistic at all, it's just a careful, conservative take.
1000% this
If you think marketing == publishing then boy...I uhh don't really know what to say. You should read up on some stuff.
Sure they would /s
Halo is MS's most important franchise by a country mile. Bungie is the studio that created it. While 343i has been floundering in their attempts to continue the franchise, Bungie has been praised for their efforts on the Destiny franchise (which is essentially Halo GaaS edition).
There is no possible reality that MS forks out the billions of dollars it would cost to buy Bungie for them not to not work on reviving the Halo franchise. None.
Bungie left MS because they didn't want to be stuck working on Halo forever. No one has ever suggested they were on bad terms. Rather they simply don't want to work on Halo anymore.
You're being quite naive if you think MS will buy Bungie for anything other than reviving Halo. You don't spend billions on the developer who created Halo only to let the pursue some unproven AAA new IP that may or may not provide return on investment, meanwhile your existing dedicated Halo house continues to run the franchise into the ground.
MS buying any other dev would be for new IP. MS buying Bungie would be for Halo... period. The only exception would be if the Halo IP were so damaged it became basically unsalvageable; which isn't a remotely realistic possibility.
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So Bungie left Microsoft to leave Halo, as you say, but is now entertaining coming back to be forced to work on Halo again? Right. Lol
If they would do anything close to that, it would be getting Bungie employees over to 343 and having Bungie maintain Destiny or create a new IP. 343i is the Halo studio now. That wouldn't change with Bungie coming back.
Not quite. They left because they wanted IP ownership and independence. Have you tried comparing Halo and Destiny and have you noticed how similar they are? How Bungie committed to a 10 year deal with Activision right after? They just cared about owning the IP.
It's equally strange to see the same happening with insiders tbh. I just hope that whatever is true will come out soon so that we can move on to focusing on the cool things Bungie has in store.
You expect people not just to read, but to listen as well??
Expectations are too high. Instead we have 10 pages.
As if I would trust a head honcho in the gaming industry about confirming/denying rumors but well respected journalists.
There have been many cases where these people had no problem to throw these reporters under the bus by lying about the
existence of a rported game, just so they can have their E3 moment a day or two later.
And stop being a pretentious prick about your CI on fucking twitter. Jesus...
P.S.: And as if a community manager would be part of any talks about an acqusation. Omega-Fucking-LUL
There have been many cases where these people had no problem to throw these reporters under the bus by lying about the
existence of a rported game, just so they can have their E3 moment a day or two later.
And stop being a pretentious prick about your CI on fucking twitter. Jesus...
P.S.: And as if a community manager would be part of any talks about an acqusation. Omega-Fucking-LUL
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There should be a middle term for the conflicting versions.
Jez said that he heard from varios sources similar stories about MS in talks with bundige but at the end, that it won't be the case.
Jez said that he heard from varios sources similar stories about MS in talks with bundige but at the end, that it won't be the case.
Phil plays more Destiny than Halo
Bungie hasn't made an arena shooter in 8 or 9 years.
you want them to Destinyfy Halo? Because that's what you would be getting.
Get ready for supers, ADS and all the sprinting.
but yeah they see Destiny is a successful platform and they want it under their umbrella. That's it. You act like Don Mattrick is still head of Xbox
This is a weird take....
Was there people offended by him posting news a day after 9/11?
How many days after 9/11 are you allowed?
I simply don't buy the story that they entertained coming back at to MS at all.
And they left MS to both pursue independence, IP ownership as well as to get away from Halo. That Destiny and Halo are similar is an irrelevant fact. From a commercial risk perspective, any AAA third party publisher investing $500 million in a new IP franchise from an independent developer who intends to keep IP ownership rights isn't going to want Bungie to deviate from their core strengths as a studio... you simply don't spend hundreds of millions of dollars hiring the Halo guys to make a JRPG. Any exec who considers something this foolish would never work in the industry again.
Not seeing how this differs all that much from the direction 343i was taking the franchise. This is what modern FPS's are now. Regardless, this there is no way for you to prescriptively know what a new MS-owned Bungie-made Halo would look like. So this is merely useless conjecture.
Destiny is already on the Xbox platform. It loses most of it's value by cutting out it's single largest platform (Playstation). And MS buying Bungie to keep Destiny MP makes no sense, because if the franchise was so profitable for Bungie that the studio would justify the multi-billion dollar price tag MS would have to pay, Bungie wouldn't even need to sell in the first place. The fact Bungie is trying to secure funding tells you that Destiny is not the most valuable part of any Bungie acquisition. Not even close.
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Not sure why the threadmarked post is the one with someone posting the tweet and saying "aaaaand thread locked" when they weren't even the first person to post that tweet which had been discussed for like a page at that point
but whatever
but whatever
